If your pick isn’t elected President....

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Not really. The closest would have been Ron Paul,

Thanks for the response. You probably just missed the haydays of Ron Paul on here between 2009 - 2012. I never liked him all that, have A LOT of disagreements with him, but the one thing did really get my tick on approval was his stance on foreign wars, intervention. He was fairly consistent on that sinse the getgo (Iraq war).

Rand Paul I've heard is a washed off version of him among libertarians.

a reply to: tonycodes

UK observer here.

I want Trump to win. If Biden wins, America as we know it is over.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Not really. The closest would have been Ron Paul,

Thanks for the response. You probably just missed the haydays of Ron Paul on here between 2009 - 2012. I never liked him all that, have A LOT of disagreements with him, but the one thing did really get my tick on approval was his stance on foreign wars, intervention. He was fairly consistent on that sinse the getgo (Iraq war).

Rand Paul I've heard is a washed off version of him among libertarians.

Lybia must have really got your goat then?

a reply to: tonycodes

Remove all the cats and pave the streets with cheese. Poor Feivel, let's finally make his dreams come true.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I don't care who wins, Covid has ruined any Christmas savings plan, I NEED TO LOOT!

Size 15 pumps will make it a pretty selective looting for you.

Wish you luck brother!!!!

I posted a pic of DBC in pumps once, honest I really did. Be careful what you wish for🤪

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Lybia must have really got your goat then?

Ron Paul voted for war in Libya??

a reply to: Southern Guardian

I never liked him all that, have A LOT of disagreements with him, but the one thing did really get my tick on approval was his stance on foreign wars, intervention. He was fairly consistent on that sinse the getgo (Iraq war).

Yea, he wasn't perfect, and I understand no one is... But, his stance on giving the American people economic liberty. I know a lot of people on the left are afraid of libertarians when it comes to social programs, but if we got rid of the fed and some of the cartel that run the American and subsequently large aspects of the global banking system... We'd see an improvement in society IMO.

As long as both sides are fighting for slightly (emphasis on slightly) different super strong federal government, there's not a chance on it not being corrupted by people with sketchy agendas. All the politicians in both parties have perpetuated the debt at every level through bad decisions.

Eventually it will unravel.

What did you not like about Paul though? And who have you liked the most?

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Lybia must have really got your goat then?

Ron Paul voted for war in Libya??

You know he didn't.

Why twist an obvious question?

a reply to: tonycodes

Then what would you like to see the winner accomplish in the next four years?

I would like to see......
Higher taxes
More third world cities and states
Fewer jobs
Energy industries being shutdown
More illegals taking Americans jobs
More taxes going to illegals on welfare
More taxes going to educate illegals
Major increases in our welfare programs (we’re going to need it)
I don’t want to see our borders secured
more US companies to move out of the country
More criminals on the streets
Higher crime
I love being constantly lied to and deceived, would really like some more of that but would like the 2.0 on steroids version.

Yeah baby, I’m voting Biden all the way!

originally posted by: panoz77
I want a president exactly like Trump.

I agree almost.

I am for single payer healthcare. There are a few other things I don't agree with President Trump with but that is one.

a reply to: tonycodes

I’d like trump lite. Same great taste Also knows when it’s not in the best interest to tweet.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

What did you not like about Paul though? And who have you liked the most?

So it's a mixture of social and ecnomic. I also wasn't too fond of his history. When he popped up in 2006-2007 as a GOP presidential runner I had not known much about him and was taken in by his anti-war stance, we was a big deal at that time, but as I got to know I found issues, incompatable beliefs.

The first major thing of note, his position of social policies. He was highly critical of the outcome of Lawrence v. Texas in 2003, which saw the dismantling of Texas' invasive anti-sodomy/LGBT law. He was also highly critical and opposed to Texas V Brown and believed that ultimately these major social matters should be left up to the State. While in his view, this was local government deciding, in my view, government is government. There should be certain rights, such as privacy, the right to be treated by public institutions one in the same as your fellow american, that should stand above all government.

His racist newsletters, which to this day he's denied he was responsible, despite them having his name on it. Even with a ghost writer, there's at least some sort of responsibility to him.

Very skeptical about his idea of getting rid of the Federal reserving and backing currency by Gold, despite the fact this is physically impossible nowadays. The last I check, the US gov held about a total of $900 billion in Gold? a mere fraction of the entire economy. This isn't too much of a big deal for me, but I feel he relies far too heavily on the olden days. I mean you can be critical of the FED, I have no major horse in this, but you need to be realistic at the same time, or in least come up with a viable option.

Won't go too deeply into other things. May be derailing thread a little here, but that about sums it up... as short as I could write it!

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Oh yes, to answer your question who I liked the most? Bernie Sanders. I'll admit though, I've been disheartened a little not just on the fact he was ousted by the DNC but also that he compromised himself and bowed to the establishment Biden.

There's nobody else at the moment to be honest. Really is sad. I had a thing for Dennis Kucinich but fat chance of him returning.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

You know he didn't.

Why twist an obvious question?

What obvious question? I was talking about Ron Paul and Biden.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

You know he didn't.

Why twist an obvious question?

What obvious question? I was talking about Ron Paul and Biden.

Were you a proponent of the overthrow of Lybia/Gaddafi?

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Were you a proponent of the overthrow of Lybia?

Why on Earth are you spelling it like that? It's Libya. And no I wasn't I think I was pretty much in consensus with all here that we should be interfering or playing world police?

What, do you want me to say Obama was establishment? Is this what this is all about?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

I think I was pretty much in consensus with all here that we should be interfering or playing world police? 

Freudian slip?

Your morals end where your politics start.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Freudian slip?

Your morals end where your politics start.

If you're looking to pick a fight Mr Wide-Eyes, you're not getting it here.

Stay on topic bud.

Here, have a beer.

a reply to: DBCowboy

wearing the size fifteen doc martins

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Yea, I disagreed with his social policies as well.

One of the appeals of libertarianism should be the platform doesn't really have a stance on social issues other than not having one. In other words, if you do something that doesn't affect anyone, I don't care and nor should the government. I don't care who someone loves so long as consenting adults, none of my business and certainly not someone working on my tax dime.

Per the news letters- if his (probably were), not a fan. He's not helping anything out by making issues harder to discuss, because clearly it looked like someone who can't handle it. Can we talk about different demographics and the struggles they're facing in persuit of something constructive? Sure, I think we should. Some of the things he appeared to have said just seemed spiteful and not from a place of actually caring, and when some people call it racist, it's pretty hard for me to defend that, or even want to.

The federal reserve is really the only thing that excited me about him other than the foreign policy or lack there of, the two very important for each other. Fiat currency comes from the Latin meaning "let it be done", which brings a large amount of implied or inherent trust. I don't posses that trust, and what people don't realize is it's an antithesis to democracy. See, the financial system is just important if not more than the political democracy. When there is limited funds available, the government just can't produce more for endeavors without public support. And just because you trust one admin, doesn't mean the next won't take credit lines to do things you despise. So back in the day, if we wanted to go to war, we couldn't fund it unless people bought war bonds. Now they just print it, and you don't have a say... It's like giving them a credit card and hoping they buy things you'd allow. But they are more accountable when there is finite supply of said money.

At the end of the day, a lot or most of us want similar things but see a different path that would be more successful. I don't think we can even begin to think about meaningful programs to enrich individuals or society. I think we have to gut most of it and focus on education and go from there. I say we go back to personal responsibility and give everyone a good chance at education, and after that they have free will. I have no problem with education because I see it as an investment, one of the ones with the highest return on investment... And if we make the opportunity for accessible education including trades, people will make more, be tax producers and not consumers, and you see other problems like incarceration decrease.

Part of me likes Bernie, part of me even trust his motives are good, but I don't think there would be good outcomes for his way of execution if he had the chance. Ironically though, he and Ron Paul are inversely different on platform but similar in political fate. A libertarian and a socialist who had more of a passionate base than anyone they ran against in the party they hijacked to use as a vehicle... Yet both parties had to suppress them. That's the moral of the story here, they didn't go by the script.