Docs Unsealed Ghislaine Maxwell

Yes, I'm assuming Ghislaine is guilty and I'm forming my understanding of how Trump would react based on how he has reacted his entire life

a reply to: 3sixand9

Maybe Trump brought in Ghislaine to keep her from being used against him.

And maybe being the elected ruler of a country he has other things to deal with.
Are the Clintons gloating?

Actually how many U.S politicians are gloating about it? All of them but Trump?

Surely all Liberals are rejoicing, because well they clearly care about all people, I assume it applies especially to children.
I'm sure Hillary, Bernie, Biden etc, would be ecstatic at her arrest using your logic, I mean if she has dirt on Trump, same as Epstein, surely they would be the ones screaming the loudest right now to bring down Americas elected leader because they've done nothing but try to bring him down since around 2016?
I mean compared to all the other things they've thrown at him, child molestion is THE perfect nail to get the public to hammer the lid on his coffin, I mean, NOBODY likes a pedo. Not even serial killing rapists.

I honestly couldn't imagine anyone screaming louder right now? Oh but wait they're not. Wonder why? Oh that's right, Billy Boy Clinton has more than his fair share of pics with Epstein, right down to a painting of him in a dress apparently..... Seems a lot of names get mentioned when it comes to Epstein and Maxwell.

But I also notice, not just you, but many others seem to be having this habit of only mentioning specific names, not all of them. Seems those who identify as 'right' are happily pointing the finger at 'lefties' mentioned, but defending those who share their 'right' label.
But oh look, those who are 'left' are pointing the finger at all the 'righties' named, while ignoring and/or defending those who share their 'left' label.

Funny how that works.

2 sides, same coin and all that. Picking a team and ignoring our own is exactly why this species is so effed up and going no where.

This is why we must stick to the facts. This is why we investigate. This is why people are supposedly innocent until proven guilty.

I don't like Trump as such, (As king of the trolls I love him, dudes a pro, as a human being or politician? yeah no.) I like Hillary even less. Actually I feel most politicians are corrupt self serving scum. But hey this is the joys of being a human who doesn't subscribe to joining teams and 'fitting in' , I don't need to belong, so I don't tend to have prejudices.

If someone came along and made cringey disgusting accusations about you (as in all of you, not just you 3six9) would you like to see a Reddit or Facebook or a Twitter, or even an ATS filled with thousands of posts saying your guilty. Having the arm chair public courtroom being your judge, jury or executioner? People wanting to lynch you based on their emotions and piss poor evidence?

Or would you like your day in an official court, that has rules etc and a fair trial? (well as fair as anything involving humans can hopefully get....)

I'm sure all you peeps would feel different should the shoe be on the other foot.

Sure discuss, speculate, hypothesis and al that jazz, humans are gonna do as such, myself included.

But please do so with both eyes open and point the finger equally at all involved, not just the ones that suit you.

Good is good, bad is bad. Good isn't bad because it's the other team, just as bad is not good because it is your team and visa versa.

On these kinds of matters we should put aside our damn labels. If you're left or right or in the middle neutral, it should just be about what is right, what is wrong. When you make it about politics and feelings no one gets justice.

It's this damn one eyed fanboyism humans infect everything with. My team, your team, Xbox Vs Playstation, Red Vs. Blue, Liberal, Conservative etc that # is like it is. We're meant to be intelligent logical creatures.
It's 2020, aren't we long overdue to start acting as such?

Seriousl'y it's disgusting people, ADULTS, will take something so serious as mass child molestation and trafficking and treat it like 12 year olds arguing over whose choice of video game console is better..... and even worse, use it to push their political ideology and viewpoints.

We should all be equally sickened and disgusted regardless of who is involved. On matters like this we should all be unified.
We should all want the matter investigated properly and the real criminals bought to justice.

While we're fighting with and trying to lynch each other, we're not focusing on fighting with and lynching the sick effers behind it all.

Until we do this sh*t will never change, and we'll just keep playing this same damn game that we have since humans formed civilizations and more kids will just keep getting abused by the rich and powerful.

Or you can look at it this way. Should the people you accuse now be found innocent and those you protect are found guilty, how will you feel then about what you're mindlessly saying now?

I mean if doing right and good isn't motivation, maybe pointing sh*t out that people actually care about, like themselves, their ego's and own reputations will snap some of you out of this damn 'side of the fence' echo chamber hive minded thinking that you plague us all with.

Geee and to think, there are some of you 60+ years and older... I guess like our old fart politicians we elect instead of putting in a nursing home where they belong, you're proof that with age doesn't necessarily come wisdom, intelligence or (especially) maturity.

a reply to: 3sixand9

Throughout this thread it has been proven that Trump and Epstein did in fact socialize in their off hours.

O.K so am I a pedophile also?

I had a friend, hung out for years, went to parties together, have photos together. Found out a few years ago after he was arrested that he had raped one of his neighbours kids. 12 year old Autistic boy, then found out he had prior convictions from before I knew him. Honestly he's lucky the cops arrested him before I found out otherwise it would be me in gaol, not him.

But yeah, by your logic, I'm a pedophile too. Because guilt by association and all that. No common sense, logic or facts required.

Do you know all the sins of every person you've been friends with and socialized? None of them got any skeletons in the closet? Maybe someone you partied with once or twice did some bad things?
You as guilty as them also?

Seriously, stop and think about it.

Pretty easy to play this game isn't it? Shall we play it, or is it just reserved for the rich and famous?

maybe we should all be judged on the people we've encountered throughout our lives huh? Wouldn't that make for a great society....

Why even register to a conspiracy forum if you are not open to conspiracies? All it takes is an unbiased review of the evidence that is presented to you.

For many of you that is just too much to ask and it's a shame because that is exactly what's killing this forum.

If you don't agree with the evidence being presented then say so and move on or just move on. There's no need to go around painting people as one group or another. It doesn't matter what our political beliefs are, when you login to a conspiracy forum you should leave your partisan ideas on your end of the connection, not go spreading them all over the forum wanting to change it into some kind of deranged Trump hangout where none other dare speak up.

So many of you take anything said remotely against Trump as a personal attack like you are some kind of protective cult and it's just old.

Like I said before, I voted for Trump but mine was a protest vote against Clinton. Shame on me, if I would have know how he would have unleashed the crazies in America I would have just stayed home and saved my conscience.

His [Epstein's] Palm Beach estate will be listed for about $22 million. It features a six-bedroom main house, a three-bedroom staff house, and a pool house, according to WSJ. And is only about a mile from Mar-a-Lago, a club frequented by President Donald Trump.

Jeffrey Epstein's homes in New York and Florida are hitting the market for $110 million - businessinsider.com



I did not realize that Epstein lived so close to Mar-a-Lago. I think along with Mark Epstein's deposition that Trump and Epstein flew together 'numerous' times and were 'good friends' it's safe to say that Trump knew what was going on and didn't say anything about it. Whether Trump was taking part in the abuses or whether he was just going along to get ahead. Folks, this would in the very least make Trump part of the 'swamp'.

It also doesn't sit well with me that in Giuffre's deposition she is for some reason refuting Churcher's previous deposition. Was she paid off?

“Donald Trump was also a good friend of Jeffrey’s.” That part is true. “He didn’t partake in any” of — “any sex with any of us but he flirted with me.” It’s true that he didn’t partake in any sex with us, but it’s not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me. Then the next sentence is, “he’d laugh and tell Jeffrey, ‘you’ve got the life.’” I never said that to her.”

Let's say that this whole thing plays out. Trump is re-elected and Ghislaine goes to prison for a short stint and that's it. No bombshell indictments of any account. Clinton walks free, Epstein and Maxwell disappear from all the headlines, and this whole ordeal fades into obscurity without Trump ever saying anything more than 'I wish her well'. What then?

originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
a reply to: 3sixand9
Trump believes Stone and Flynn were railroaded by the FBI and didn't commit a crime. Trump probably believes Maxwell is guilty and needs to pay for her crimes. Why would he defend her?

Epstein and Maxwell were arrested on Trump's watch. Can you really imagine them being arrested if Hillary was president?

Nope, the two of them probably would have been arkancided.

That or Epstein really did work for TPTB, and actually had a bit more say in things than Hillary.

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Agit8dChop

and TRUMP is mentioned (sorry anti-trumpers not in the way you want)

She never observed them (Donald and Jeffrey) together, and yet there are pictures of all three of them together?

I have a picture of me with Aussie band Ice House. We're all smiling, looks like we're all great friends.

It was just a 'VIP' photo op, with a fan, because my wife won a competition that gave us the whole backstage VIP treatment. Ice House probably doesn't even remember meeting me.

This is why we need to stick to facts and investigate and leave dem feelz out.

You're clearly a smart guy/gal Phage. Maybe show it to every one once in a while. ;-)

Ignoring facts because they contradict our viewpoints or feelz helps no one.

Clearly you're the back up vocalist for Ice House, and I haven't even seen the picture.

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Identified

What's really interesting is that she was being asked about Trump. And may have lied.

is it just me or does that photo look blatantly photo shopped. looks like 2 photos merged together. just a question btw im not an expert is just looks off. the scale of the couples doesnt seem right.

Definite looks photoshopped. Look at the size of Epstein’s head. I’m not an expert but it sure does look like it’s a PS.

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Identified

What's really interesting is that she was being asked about Trump. And may have lied.

is it just me or does that photo look blatantly photo shopped. looks like 2 photos merged together. just a question btw im not an expert is just looks off. the scale of the couples doesnt seem right.

I agree 100%.

This photo does NOT look authentic. Lighting on the 2 couples are different, scale of the couples is off as you pointed out, etc.

But, what do I know?

originally posted by: 3sixand9

Why even register to a conspiracy forum if you are not open to conspiracies? All it takes is an unbiased review of the evidence that is presented to you.

Unbiased? Like I was saying we should be. Yet how unbiased are you really?

I've not read every post on this thread I admit, but the ones I have seen of yours (and I am replying directly to you as I got a notification that your post after my first one was you replying to me.) I only see Trump's name.
Where are your thoughts on ALL the names associated with this case?

That's what being unbiased means. Not selectively picking one person from a list and focusing on them. yeah?

Sure if you've equally mentioned the Clintons or any one else named, then I sincerely apologise.

But if you're focused on Trump and no one else, then I am just going to say you're not 'unbiased'.

And why did I join a conspiracy site for? Well the conspiracies, mostly the UFO and paranormal stuff personally.

But here's the thing, there's no rules as such for discussing conspiracies, but like everything, we should stick to the facts yeah?
We won't solve flying saucers and big foot from simply pulling things out of our arse will we?

Not even sure this and most U.S politically connected crap on this site in recent years should even be classified 'conspiracy' in a way most think of the word any way. Most of it is just repeating MSM news we can see anywhere and giving their 2 cents on it like they do on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter.....

Don't know about you but I personally didn't join ATS to see what I can see on Fox and CNN News or Twitter every 5 minutes.

I came to discuss the secret stuff we don't know, the actual mysteries of the world, not the crap that is on the 6 o'clock news that every one can see.
But hey, that's just me. We all have our own reasons for being here, and that's just fine.


Personally I'd like to let it all play out, have all the facts at hand, THEN get into the conspiracies. But sadly that aint ever gonna happen, because humans. So I'd settle for at least sticking to ALL the facts. Not just the ones that suit us.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1

originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Agit8dChop

and TRUMP is mentioned (sorry anti-trumpers not in the way you want)

She never observed them (Donald and Jeffrey) together, and yet there are pictures of all three of them together?

I have a picture of me with Aussie band Ice House. We're all smiling, looks like we're all great friends.

It was just a 'VIP' photo op, with a fan, because my wife won a competition that gave us the whole backstage VIP treatment. Ice House probably doesn't even remember meeting me.

This is why we need to stick to facts and investigate and leave dem feelz out.

You're clearly a smart guy/gal Phage. Maybe show it to every one once in a while. ;-)

Ignoring facts because they contradict our viewpoints or feelz helps no one.

Clearly you're the back up vocalist for Ice House, and I haven't even seen the picture.

Yep, you nailed it. Clearly a picture says it all hey lol

Sadly it doesn't show I actually get them their recreational chemicals and under age groupies. Maybe if I posted the photo it would? But I won't because it'll clearly show all my darkness I hide form the world and everyone on ATS will know all my sins.

After all, a picture is worth a thousand words or something and clearly has no need for context like words do. lol.

originally posted by: Riffrafter

originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Identified

What's really interesting is that she was being asked about Trump. And may have lied.

is it just me or does that photo look blatantly photo shopped. looks like 2 photos merged together. just a question btw im not an expert is just looks off. the scale of the couples doesnt seem right.

I agree 100%.

This photo does NOT look authentic. Lighting on the 2 couples are different, scale of the couples is off as you pointed out, etc.

But, what do I know?

For me what I find weird about the image is Trump looks 20 or 30 years younger than he does now, but Epstein and Maxwell look like they do now.... (or did in Epsteins case) Then again maybe they took better care of themselves over the years than Trump did.
(I assume we're talking about the photo where trump is with a young lady with E & M standing on the right side of the image.)

I'll have to blow it up and look closer. Same for the photoshop, usually something stands out, like those pics of Maxwell sitting at an outdoor cafe with a book and a friends dog a few months back.
God the photoshopping on that was as obvious as Where's Wally? on a blank page.


Edit: Looked at a larger image. Epstein and Maxwell do look younger, so that's me debunking myself. No obvious signs of photoshop.
But hey, all it shows is they've been at the same events at some point in time.
Now show me a picture of Trump and Epstein, Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton spit roasting a 12 year old and I'll be convinced they're all actually pedos before the legal system makes a judgement. (Although we know Epstein was of course.)

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: carewemust

I haven't read any of it.

Does any of it specifically say that clinton was having sex with underage children?

he could have just been having orgies with adults. epstien did that as well as hurting children.

We need to know the truth before we start condemning someone.
innocent until proven guilty is the american way after all.

You said - "We need to know the truth before condemning someone" - and yet your first line states that you hadn't read any of it?

Seems to me, if you want to know the truth, go to the source yourself. Don't trust what random people on the internet say are included in the docs - read them for yourself.

a reply to: 3sixand9

Why even register to a conspiracy forum if you are not open to conspiracies?

Unfortunately lots of conspiracies are nothing more than imagination and innuendo. Poisonous trail by public opinion with no credible evidence. Like the Trump dossier.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: IAMTAT

So no hard evidence that can convict bill. Yet.

Bill's hard evidence usually appears out of the blue (See Monica's dress).

Ha!

I just blew coffee thru my nose, thank you very much...lol.

🤣

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Agit8dChop
"and TRUMP is mentioned (sorry anti-trumpers not in the way you want)"

She never observed them (Donald and Jeffrey) together, and yet there are pictures of all three of them together?

I think you are confused...

This was not testimony of Ghislaine Maxwell, this was testimony of Virginia Giuffre... or, are there pictures of Giuffre, Trump and Epstein floating around?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Agit8dChop
"and TRUMP is mentioned (sorry anti-trumpers not in the way you want)"

She never observed them (Donald and Jeffrey) together, and yet there are pictures of all three of them together?

I think you are confused...

This was not testimony of Ghislaine Maxwell, this was testimony of Virginia Giuffre... or, are there pictures of Giuffre, Trump and Epstein floating around?

See this post by Phage.

originally posted by: 2Faced
I personally think that Trump has been smart enough not to burn himself on sex with minors. He loves his money and luxury too much to be separated from it. He may be a sexist pig for all I care, but no amount of money will prevent something like that from eventually rising to the surface, people talk plain and simple, and Trump apparently made sure he didn’t cross that particular line. Besides, many men, as do I, think it is abject and morally wrong to have sex with a child. Trump is most likely one of those men. Another reason, could be the fact that Trump may have been wanting to become POTUS for a very long time, and realized that something like that would be a threat to his future plans.

In any case, I truly hope he at least has certain (moral) standards, I really do.

Besides all the above...no matter in what presence of friends you are..such acts can always be held against you...or blackmailed with. Trump has been too long among criminals not to be aware of this. Thats why I agree with you...Trump is just too smart for such a stupid honey trap.

ON the other hand dersoflits would think to be protected by the friends who invite him for such a nice "masage" with underage girls. And why could he not when those same friends can..?

BUt then again...Dershowitz is hired by Trump while Trump must know that dershowflits can best be avoided in this moment of his potus carreer...and yet he does not. What is that about?

An other thing... I was told that much of the document was redacted..names of policeofficers WITH THEIR HOME ADRESSES were not..as with the names of the girls witnesses. Saying...they are easy prey. It is an idication that corruption in the legal system is surfacing and that the murder at the house of the judge was a warning for everybody significant in this "dangerous" case.

a reply to: zatara
Wasn’t there a body guard for Epstein who came out and gave some sort of interview with a talk radio host then all of a sudden went silent? Where is that dude now? He would be able to verify who was with whom and when.

originally posted by: AtomicKangarooUnbiased? Like I was saying we should be. Yet how unbiased are you really?

I've not read every post on this thread I admit, but the ones I have seen of yours (and I am replying directly to you as I got a notification that your post after my first one was you replying to me.) I only see Trump's name.

I feel Clinton's connection has been thoroughly covered, it is Trump's connection that keeps being ignored. I have nothing to add to it other than what has already been presented. I have never defended or attempted to explain away Clinton's actions with Epstein on this forum, any other forum, or in any personal or private conversation in my life.


I agree with others that Clinton is connected but I am turned off by the same people completely being blinded to Trump's connection and so I will focus on that of which I interrupt as being overlooked

A gunman posing as a FedEx driver shot and killed the 20-year-old son of a federal judge in North Brunswick, N.J., on Sunday, and badly wounded her husband.

The judge in question is Esther Salas. Earlier in the week, she was assigned to oversee a lawsuit brought by investors against Deutsche Bank over its involvement in the handling of financial matters related to sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein.

The motive for the shooting is unclear. On Sunday evening, federal law enforcement asked for the public’s help in solving the crime.

Gunman kills son of judge overseeing Deutsche Bank–Epstein trial - fortune.com




It is interesting to note that now the Deutsche Bank has opened an investigation into Trump's banker, connected or just coincidence?

You can now argue that twice now under Trump's presidency, an investigation into Epstein has ended in murder



Deutsche Bank Opens Review Into Personal Banker to Trump and Kushner - nytimes.com

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