Are we witnessing the rise of a new Nazi empire?

>>>On March 2, Hitler was asked by a correspondent of the Daily Express whether the suspension of liberties was permanent. He answered in the negative saying that full rights would be restored as soon as the Communist danger was over. The reality was that the decree of February 28th established what would become the normal order of things under National Socialism - arrest on suspicion, surveillance without proper cause, imprisonment without trial, removal of citizenship - sound familiar... We call it the U.S.A. Patriot Act.

The difference, is that America has restricted rights before just like the Nazis did. However we have always restored them after the danger was over.

Hell we don't know if Hitler would have restored rights...the danger was never over for them, they lost...the danger persists to this day concerning China.

Originally posted by FreeMason

Hell we don't know if Hitler would have restored rights...the danger was never over for them, they lost...the danger persists to this day concerning China.

I think we can say that we know. Commies and nazis don't give back any rights.Never.When they have the power, they keep it and we are all screw.

Also, nazis are warmongers.They had in mind to ovverun the whole world.I don't think they were looking to ovverun the world for his own good. Peoples like nazis and commies don't care about rights and justice. They want an aboslute power over eveything and everyone.

Nah UP, I think it is arguable that the Nazis would have returned rights to the people.

But see by then they'd all have been brainwashed, so to them "rights" wouldn't matter, because no one would step out of line anyways...

Unlike in USA where Rights do matter because we have differing opinions.

Originally posted by FreeMason
Nah UP, I think it is arguable that the Nazis would have returned rights to the people.

As I know what the nazi did, I'm 100% sure they wouldn't have returned any rights to anyone.

I can't argue with you on that matter FM. I've no doubts.It's too much clear in my mind. Nazis are tyrants and tyrants don't give back any rights.NEVER.

Originally posted by FreeMason
The difference, is that America has restricted rights before just like the Nazis did. However we have always restored them after the danger was over.

Hell we don't know if Hitler would have restored rights...the danger was never over for them, they lost...the danger persists to this day concerning China.

I would say that anyone believing that Hitler would have restored rights to ANYONE is rather shortsighted at the least.

The US has never actually taken rights away from the people in a large number, over the entire country. First of all, there is virtually no way to enforce such an action, and second of all, public opinion has been so against it as to risk massive social upheaval if enforcement were to be attempted.

With Hitler, everyone knew and understood that it was a totalitarian powerstructure, and knew what the risks and consequences of uprising were, and understood that chances of success were minimal. Hitler also had the advantage of making it obvious to the people that they were better under his dictatorial rule than they were before due to the massive depression the allies had incurred after WWI. This helped sway public sentiment a bit in his favor.

So the question remains, if the US were to suspend constitutional rights, would it work, and would we ever get them back? The first half of the question, assuming no extraordinary interventions is no, we would likely have massive social upheavals in the event that the constitution was suspended nationwide for an indeffinite period.

However, with the development and deployment of HAARP, and the ability to control and manipulate emotions of large numbers of people across large areas, it WOULD be VERY easy to accomplish just such things. However, doing so would not just violate American constitutional rights, it would violate common universal human rights.

So if HAARP was used to trigger the FEMA protocols and our constitution was suspended, would it ever come back to us? Let me ask you, if you chain a man up and kick him relentlessly for weeks, knowing he cant hit back... are you ever going to release him while you are around? Because you KNOW hes going to kill you when he gets loose.

The problem is, freemason, that The "danger" will never be over, there will always be terrorism in a capitalist world, as it's the only way to fight back for the disposessed.


[Edited on 13-7-2003 by Mokuhadzushi]

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
The problem is, freemason, that The "danger" will never be over, there will always be terrorism in a capitalist world, as it's the only way to fight back for the disposessed.


[Edited on 13-7-2003 by Mokuhadzushi]

I dont agree with that, as that sounds too much like communist propaganda... however I do agree that terrorism in the circumstances described would HAVE to continue, not due to any outside threats, but simply to legitimate the destruction of constitutional rights. Therefore, yes, terrorism would continue, but it would be engineered by the controlling totalitarian state, to give credence to the reason for enacting the FEMA protocols.

People who think the "Danger" will never be over are wrong. Terrorism requires infrastructure, it is not the Anarchy it seems to be.

Hell even Anarchy can not sustain itself, or we'd not have this little thing called Civilization.

There is much more to reality than the information that comes flittering through our doors.

No one in the world who researches Terrorism for a living would think that terrorism in its current form and especially terrorism threatening America, can go on for ever...

And as for the Nazi comment it seems it mostly went over your heads. I again refer to "Differing opinions" section of that comment.

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[Edited on 14-7-2003 by Lexus Panther]

People who think the "Danger" will never be over are wrong. Terrorism requires infrastructure, it is not the Anarchy it seems to be. Posted by Freemason

I think you didnt quite understand my point above... indeed, terrorism by an external agency would be difficult to maintain for long periods, and could be destroyed given proper intelligence and military capabilities. However, when the threat of terrorism is gone, gone too are the reasons for oppressing the public.

As the reason for the FEMA protocols were originally to provide a legitimate reason to suspend constitutional protections of the population and thereby to oppress the population, once triggered, there is no way back.

My contention is that once the FEMA protocols are triggered, even if the external threat (if indeed there ever was one) is eliminated, another threat will be necessary to maintain legitimacy of the new constitutionless society. If no suitable external threat is evident, one will be manufactured by the ruling government itself.

Did you ever read 1984? There were no actual wars going on, they were simply orchestrated to keep the population diverted and on the edge of panic and starvation, and therefore very easy to control.

Originally posted by Mokuhadzushi
The problem is, freemason, that The "danger" will never be over, there will always be terrorism in a capitalist world, as it's the only way to fight back for the disposessed.


[Edited on 13-7-2003 by Mokuhadzushi]

Disposessed. What all does that catchword encompass? Does it include those individuals and groups that hate our culture, government and way of life?

The dictionary says it is those whose had their property taken from them. So far, it isn't the "disposessed" that have attacked us but those who hate our culture and way of life.

Originally posted by FreeMason

No one in the world who researches Terrorism for a living would think that terrorism in its current form and especially terrorism threatening America, can go on for ever...

Who are these experts? The terrorism has been going on for decades, now. Remember the 70's when the Skyjackings started? It's carried on today, the same people, just differing methods. Without either changing our culture to mirror theirs, changing theirs to mirror ours, or one of the two being destroyed altogether, how do the experts see stopping these persistent little buggers?

I know the government is screwed up, but United States Government doesn't have enough power to turn us into a Nazi empire. Even if they tried it, it'd be lik the revolution all over agian. Militias would form and cheif executives would be killed.

The United States will not turn into a Socialist republc, or an aristocratic empire (openly at least).

We will not become a police state.
Tassadar

We won't turn into a socialistic republic? I agree on the republic part as we've not been a republic for well over a century, but the socialist part is somewhat debatable!

First of all, there is no way socialism could exist in America...
Abolishment or suspension of any part of the Constitution or it's ammendments would lead to masss riots and protests for civil rights. These protests wouldn't be just little groups of people though, hundreds of thousands of people would go to the capitol and protest. It would lead to a shut down of baisc social services. Even attempting to instate socialisim would lead to national chaos, anarchy, just like a bigger version of Palestine, or a more modern version of the American Revolution.

There is no need for socialism
Our country wouldn't be able to make it through such a dramtic change. Our country is functioning wonderfully in the democratic state. Free enterprise leads to personal growth and developent, the change of social status. Look at Richard King, the founder of King Ranch. He was a New York street urchin who became the owner of the largest ranch in the world. And with socialism and the goverment dictating people's lifestylses, people would not rise to their full potential. Geniuses like Einstein or Bill Gates might be made farm laborers or laundymen. Technological advancement would become an impossibiliy!!! America's progress would come to a standstill and some other country would be able to claim the title as the world's superpower.

Tassadar

I read in a Reader's Digest book, "Great Events of the 20th century"( Mostly it was about wars and warmongers ) that Adolf Hitler started a WAR in response to a TERRORISTIC EVENT , the Reichstag fire . The book stated that it TOOK 40 YEARS for it to be proved that Hitler's forces STARTED THE FIRE THEMSELVES.

Hitler's private army was funded by the U.S. Banking Corporation.

One of the director's at this bank was Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather.

Is the Nazi Empire rising again in the U.S.?

MAYBE...MAYBE....that's what happens when our educational system isn't really free.

Would we ? WOULD WE?? Rise up against Warthogs with Depleted Uranium BUllets?

.... P.S. WHY does Dubya want to see Bunker buster NUKES developed??? Right now NORAD has no possibility of being destroyed. If we protect this technology as well as other nuclear secrets, soon China will have access to our best scientific knowledge of how to bust NORAD. wouldn't want that... How about we just say NO to Dubya.???

Originally posted by tr

One of the director's at this bank was Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather.

Is the Nazi Empire rising again in the U.S.?

Ok. Then, because his grandfather helped a bunch of nazis, GWB HAS to be a nazi. That's what you mean ?

So I guess the germans are still, nowdays, all nazis ?

You know what ? My grandfather was a communist.I'm not a communist and I hate communist. But I don't hate my grandfather, of course. I love him.

[Edited on 14-7-2003 by ultra_phoenix]