Skeptics are now trashing Astrophysicist Eric Davis because he talked about UFO's

Now pseudo skeptics are trying to trash Eric Davis LOL!

These people are so predictable and illogical. When they can't debate the issue they try to trash the person talking about U.F.O.'s.

They trashed Dr. Kaku when he talked about U.F.O.'s. They called Edgar Mitchell a senile old man when he talked about U.F.O.'s. They trash all Pilots as idiots who are unreliable yet according to Hynek they make the best witnesses when identifying U.F.O.'s because of their technical training.



Now they want to trash Astrophysicist Eric Davis because he's the main source of the NYT article. Notice a pattern?

Let's look at Eric Davis vs. the pseudoskeptics who sit behind keyboards trashing people they can't debate and making these illogical statemnts.

Astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who worked as a consultant for the Pentagon, says the Department of Defense has not discontinued its UFO program. Davis claims even though the DoD says the program’s been shut down, it hasn’t. And he’s still working for it. He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

First off, the guy isn't some kook who the pseudoskeptics try to paint him to be. He's just persona non grata because he dared to talk about U.F.O.'s.

He's a Astrophysicist that consulted to the Pentagon and works in these very issues.Here's more

The New York Times recently spoke with Davis, who currently works for the defense contractor, Aerospace Corporation. In the article, which comes via Boing Boing, Davis says that some of the materials taken from found UFOs have so far been unidentifiable. “We couldn’t make [the materials] ourselves,” Davis told the Times.

In an unrelated interview published on The New York Post’s YouTube channel (above), Davis elaborates on his claims. Davis says that during his time with the UFO program, he gave technical advice to field investigators. The program, which was established in 2007, was dubbed the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (or AATIP).

Although the Pentagon says it shut down AATIP in 2012 (according to the Post), Davis tells Greenstreet that he can “confirm it’s still going.” The astrophysicist adds that the program has morphed, and is under a new name and new management. “That’s all I can say about it,” he notes.

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Here's a video interview he did. Watch it yourselves and ask yourself is this guy a kook just because he talked about U.F.O.'s?

Bonus Episode | The Basement Office | Eric Davis on working for Pentagon UFO program | New York Post



Again, ask yourself is Eric Davis the same guy illogical pseudoskeptics are trying to paint him out to be? An Astrophysicist that still consults the Pentagon.

Davis was consulted to work in areas that involve thinking about future technology and what technology advanced civilizations may have. Here's the titles of some of the papers he wrote:

Curvature Invariants for Lorentzian Traversable Wormholes

On Extracting Energy from the Quantum Vacuum

Testing a Quantum Inequality with a Meta-analysis of Data for Squeezed Light

Interstellar Travel by Means of Wormhole Induction Propulsion (WHIP)

www.researchgate.net...

Here's a couple of Abstracts from his papers and ask yourself is this guy the kook that illogical pseudoskeptics are trying to paint him to be.

Interstellar Travel by Means of Wormhole Induction Propulsion (WHIP)

Abstract
Space flight by means of wormholes is described whereby the traditional rocket propulsion approach can be abandoned in favor of a new paradigm involving the manipulation of spacetime. Maccone (1995) extended Levi-Civita’s 1917 magnetic gravity solution to the Morris and Thorne (1988) wormhole solution and claimed that static homogeneous magnetic/electric fields can create spacetime curvature manifesting itself as a traversable wormhole. Furthermore, Maccone showed that the speed of light through this curvature region is slowed by the magnetic (or electric) induced gravitational field there. Maccone’s analysis immediately suggests a way to perform laboratory experiments whereby one could apply a powerful static homogeneous magnetic field in a vacuum, thereby creating spacetime curvature, and measure the speed of a light beam through it. Magnetic fields employed in this scenario must achieve magnitudes >1010 Tesla in order for measurable effects to appear. Current magnetic induction technology is limited to static fields of ∼several×103 Tesla. However, destructive chemical (implosive/explosive) magnetic field generation technology has reached peak rate-of-rise field strengths of ∼109 Tesla/s. It is proposed that this technology be exploited to take advantage of the high rate-of-rise field strengths to create and measure spacetime curvature in the lab.

One more:

An Assessment of Faster-Than-Light Spacetimes: Make or Break Issues

Abstract
Implementation of faster-than-light (FTL) interstellar travel via traversable wormholes, warp drives, or other spacetime modification schemes generally requires the engineering of spacetime into very specialized local geometries. The analysis of these via Einstein's General Theory of Relativity plus the resultant equations of state demonstrates that such geometries require the use of "exotic" matter. It has been claimed that since such matter violates the energy conditions FTL spacetimes are not plausible. However, it has been shown that this is a spurious issue. The identification, magnitude, and production of exotic matter is seen to be a key technical challenge, however. FTL spacetimes also possess features that challenge the notions of causality, and there are alleged constraints placed upon them by quantum effects. These issues are reviewed and summarized, and an assessment on the present state of their resolution is provided.

Sounds really nutty doesn't it[insert sarcasm]. Part of his job is to think about how technology will work 50-100 years from now and also what technology an advanced civilization may have.

Who should you trust? Illogical pseudoskeptics that have no inside information and who try to trash everyone that disagrees with their opinions or people who have pertinent information because they worked in these areas and with the Govt. and in the private sector?

a reply to: neoholographic

Never heard of the guy and I would never instantly discredit someone for having a discussion on the subject of UFOs.

But there are some obvious red flags scattered throughout your OP that indicate this man is either compromised and is actively engaging in disseminating propaganda, or he is too foolish/naive to know he’s toting an agenda.

He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

So he “says” he’s given briefings. Ok, I can believe that. But if his assessment was anything other than “we simply cannot confirm that such sightings are of anything otherworldly,” then he’s a liar or a fool.

Unless someone has made the scientific discovery of the millennia, and I missed it, then last time I checked no “other worlds,” let alone other worldly craft, have been confirmed. It’s all pure speculation when the objects in the sky are unidentified.

UFOs are real .
Until they are identified.
However , there exists no proof anywhere they are of alien construction.

All those theories are theoretically possible.
However , each would take an infinite amount of energy .
And since the ability to surpass infinity does not exist , neither does FTL .
Remember , to accelerate an object , that has mass , to 99% of the speed of light requires that said infinite energy.

So the ideas you post are conceivable.
Yet out of the realm of possibility.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Think about what you said and you will realize it makes no sense.

You said:

But there are some obvious red flags scattered throughout your OP that indicate this man is either compromised and is actively engaging in disseminating propaganda, or he is too foolish/naive to know he’s toting an agenda.

You then quoted him:

He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

You then make this statement that shows pseudoskeptics aren't open minded.

So he “says” he’s given briefings. Ok, I can believe that. But if his assessment was anything other than “we simply cannot confirm that such sightings are of anything otherworldly,” then he’s a liar or a fool.

This is just asinine.

Think about what you're saying:

IF HIS ASSESSMENT WAS ANYTHING OTHER.......

WHAT???

Here's a Astrophysicist that consults with the Pentagon and you're saying that he can't come to any other conclusion than the one that you accept LOL!

Why can't he come to a conclusion that's different than yours?

Again, pseudoskeptics say, I'm open to the truth but how can that be when you say before anyone doing research does the research that they have to come to the conclusion you will accept:

But if his assessment was anything other than “we simply cannot confirm that such sightings are of anything otherworldly,” then he’s a liar or a fool.

He's a liar and a fool and you haven't seen anything he has seen?

This has to be in the top 5 most ignorant comments I have read since I've been on ATS.

a reply to: neoholographic

I think you know as well as I do that if the pentagon has evidence of ET craft, they sure as hell wouldn’t tell the world in a tabloid presser unless it was intentionally misrepresented.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: neoholographic

I think you know as well as I do that if the pentagon has evidence of ET craft, they sure as hell wouldn’t tell the world in a tabloid presser unless it was intentionally misrepresented.

What?

You don't have a clue as to what they know.

‘Not made on this earth:’ Top-secret Pentagon UFO task force reportedly expected to reveal some findings

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Pentagon officially releases UFO videos

www.cnn.com...

You don't know what they know and why they might feel the need to say these things now yet, the open minded pseudoskeptic is calling people liars and fools before they have any information.

Is there any doubt that when pseudoskeptics say there open minded they're just being dishonest?

a reply to: neoholographic

‘Not made on this earth:’ Top-secret Pentagon UFO task force reportedly expected to reveal some findings

A good ratio of all meteorites found on Earth contain metals that cannot be made on Earth.
Why ?
They probably stemmed from a supernova somewhere.
Just like all material found on Earth

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: neoholographic

‘Not made on this earth:’ Top-secret Pentagon UFO task force reportedly expected to reveal some findings

A good ratio of all meteorites found on Earth contain metals that cannot be made on Earth.
Why ?
They probably stemmed from a supernova somewhere.
Just like all material found on Earth

Nope.

Astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who worked as a consultant for the Pentagon, says the Department of Defense has not discontinued its UFO program. Davis claims even though the DoD says the program’s been shut down, it hasn’t. And he’s still working for it. He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

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OFF WORLD VEHICLES NOT MADE ON THIS EARTH!

Vehicles not supernovas.

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: neoholographic

‘Not made on this earth:’ Top-secret Pentagon UFO task force reportedly expected to reveal some findings

A good ratio of all meteorites found on Earth contain metals that cannot be made on Earth.
Why ?
They probably stemmed from a supernova somewhere.
Just like all material found on Earth

Nope.

Astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who worked as a consultant for the Pentagon, says the Department of Defense has not discontinued its UFO program. Davis claims even though the DoD says the program’s been shut down, it hasn’t. And he’s still working for it. He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

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OFF WORLD VEHICLES NOT MADE ON THIS EARTH!

Vehicles not supernovas.

Then he should have known better and willing to accept any criticism from his peers .

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: neoholographic

‘Not made on this earth:’ Top-secret Pentagon UFO task force reportedly expected to reveal some findings

A good ratio of all meteorites found on Earth contain metals that cannot be made on Earth.
Why ?
They probably stemmed from a supernova somewhere.
Just like all material found on Earth

Nope.

Astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who worked as a consultant for the Pentagon, says the Department of Defense has not discontinued its UFO program. Davis claims even though the DoD says the program’s been shut down, it hasn’t. And he’s still working for it. He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

nerdist.com...

OFF WORLD VEHICLES NOT MADE ON THIS EARTH!

Vehicles not supernovas.

Then he should have known better and willing to accept any criticism from his peers .

What criticism? You think he cares about the illogical rantings of pseudoskeptics?

Here's more:

Eric Davis, Physicist, Explains Why Scientists Won’t Discuss Their UFO Interests

For a very long time, the scientific community has been wary of studying UFOs, and the scientists themselves hesitate to talk about their beliefs of unexplained aerial phenomena.

But that attitude is changing, and many scientists are joining the discussion without fear of ridicule.

“UFOs are real phenomena. They are artificial objects under intelligent control. They’re definitely the craft of a supremely advanced technology,” says physicist Eric Davis, a researcher of light-speed travel.

www.huffpost.com...

I like this guy!

It's time to stop letting illogical pseudoskeptics and debunkers stand in the way of exploring these things and areas of Psi. The closed minded nonsense is doing nothing but delaying progress. Here's more:

He’s aware of the public perception — mostly from skeptics and debunkers — that no legitimate scientists would ever touch the subject of UFOs.

“They’re wrong, naive, stubborn, narrow-minded, afraid and fearful. It’s a dirty word and a forbidden topic. Science is about open-minded inquiry. You shouldn’t be laughing off people. You should show more deference and respect to them ... Scientists need to get back to using the scientific method to study things that are unknown and unusual, and the UFO subject is one of them.”

The physicist, who recently won an award from the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics for his study, “Faster-Than-Light Space Warps, Status and Next Steps,” knows many colleagues who quietly study UFOs.

You know pseudoskeptics will call this guy everything but a child of God.

He's a huge threat. An intelligent Astrophysicist whose working on high level physics and who consults for the Pentagon is saying these things about U.F.O.'s? He's Pesrona Non Grata for illogical pseudoskeptics.

a reply to: neoholographic

You don't have a clue as to what they know.

And neither do you.

You can choose to take the governments public statements on the matter at face value, if you want.

And I’ll continue to remain skeptical.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: neoholographic

You don't have a clue as to what they know.

And neither do you.

You can choose to take the governments public statements on the matter at face value, if you want.

And I’ll continue to remain skeptical.

Skeptical?

You called the man a fool and a liar just because he said something you don't agree with.

That's not being skeptical, that's being an ignorant pseudoskeptic. Without any information, you call him a fool and a liar. A true skeptic is open minded.

Here's his published paper titled:

Faster-Than-Light Space Warps, Status and Next Steps

Implementation of faster-than-light (FTL) interstellar travel via traversable wormholes or warp drives requires the engineering of spacetime into very specialized local geometries. The analysis of these via Einstein's General Theory of Relativity demonstrates that such geometries require the use of ``exotic'' matter. One can appeal to quantum field theory to find both natural and phenomenological sources of exotic matter. Such quantum fields are disturbed by the curved spacetime geometry they produce, so their energy-momentum tensor can be used to probe the back-reaction of the field effects upon the dynamics of the FTL spacetime, which has implications on the construction and control of FTL spacetimes. Also, the production, detection, and deployment of natural exotic quantum fields are seen to be key technical challenges in which basic first steps can be taken to experimentally probe their properties. FTL spacetimes also possess features that challenge the notions of momentum conservation and causality. The status of these important issues is addressed in this report, and recommended next steps for further theoretical investigations are identified in an effort to clear up a number of technical uncertainties in order to progress the present state-of-the-art in FTL spacetime physics.

www.researchgate.net...

Does this sound like a fool and a liar?

You have to see how asinine your statement was. You said if his assessment was anything other than yours then he's a fool and a liar.

Like I said, that has to be top 5 in the top 5 most ignorant comments I have read on ATS since 2012.

a reply to: neoholographic

For the record, I have always enjoyed your hard science themed threads.

The government tends to have habit, a pattern of behavior, whereby they exploit the public‘s interest in UFOs in order to justify their request for more funding.

mirageman has well documented the peculiar and infamous TTSA & AATIP.

Furthermore:

The GUT has authored (imho) the most informative & profound UFO threads on ATS.

Funny thing is , did not Elizondo and company come out and say what they had was most likely a meteorite ?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I doubt it's an alien craft. Maybe it was made in space above earth by humans? That could fit his statement too.

Space is so freaking huge just between the planets in our solar system I highly doubt we will ever come across an alien from another planet if such exist.

a reply to: neoholographic

Nope.

Astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who worked as a consultant for the Pentagon, says the Department of Defense has not discontinued its UFO program. Davis claims even though the DoD says the program’s been shut down, it hasn’t. And he’s still working for it. He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

This quote isn't consistent with the NYT quote. The NYT quote said that they "retrieved materials from off-world vehicles not made on this earth".

The real question is whether or not they actually have an entire vehicle to pull these materials from or whether they've only found materials that they suspect came from off-world vehicles. Are only some of the materials off-world or is all of it off-world? I find the quote suspect and it needs to be clarified.

Why are we arguing this?

It was all explained in ‘Red Dwarf’ in the cat’s religion. One side said the hats were red and the other side said the hats were blue. This caused much death in the holy wars fought between the two sides until the survivors left Red Dwarf to seek the truth elsewhere.

The funny thing is that Lister, who made the documents that the cats considered holy, knew the truth. The hats were green.

People are locking onto theories and fighting for or against them like they would their absolute belief in a religion.

Can we agree that both sides have insufficient information available to prove one way or the other without a doubt? Present the evidence and not the argument that someone is being attacked for being a heretic.

Do not fall into the trap of believing that a theory should be worshiped. Let it grow into a fact first.

You want to believe in alien flying saucers? Good. The problem is a UFO is not them. A UFO is by definition an 'I don’t know.'

Hail the Potato!

a reply to: neoholographic

Here's something else that's interesting about Eric Davis that dates back to 2004...

The Air Force Research Lab's August "Teleportation Physics Report," posted earlier this week on the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) Web site, struck a raw nerve with physicists and critics of wasteful military spending.

In the report, author Eric Davis says psychic teleportation, moving yourself from location to location through mind powers, is "quite real and can be controlled."

...

"It is in large part crackpot physics," says physicist Lawrence Krauss of Case Western Reserve University, author of The Physics of Star Trek, a book detailing the physical limits that prevent teleportation. He describes the Air Force report as "some things adapted from reasonable theoretical studies, and other things from nonsensical ones."

Some experts have long criticized what they see as a military sweet tooth for junk science. A "remote viewing" project, for example, undertaken by defense intelligence services and declassified in 1994, sought to see whether psychic powers could be employed to spy on the Soviet Union. The teleportation report "raises questions of scientific quality control at the Air Force," the FAS' Steven Aftergood says.

Physicist Lawrence Krauss is skeptical of Eric Davis because he knows that you can't PHYSICALLY teleport people, but the topic of "remote viewing" isn't about being physically present. It's more of a psychic or spiritual phenomena and there are people here on ATS (in the past anyway) that have claimed to have these psychic abilities to mentally transport themselves in order to view events that have taken place elsewhere without ever physically leaving their homes. Eric himself says that it is "psychic" in nature, not physical in his quote. However, psychic abilities have only been proven to be correct part of the time and not most of the time.

In the future, I guaranty that you're going to see Eric Davis continue to try and combine psychic, spiritual, AND physical aspects of this topic together. This is another reason why Eric Davis' quotes need to be more detailed and clarified beyond what we've seen so far.

What the hell is a pseudo sceptic?

originally posted by: neoholographic

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: neoholographic

‘Not made on this earth:’ Top-secret Pentagon UFO task force reportedly expected to reveal some findings

A good ratio of all meteorites found on Earth contain metals that cannot be made on Earth.
Why ?
They probably stemmed from a supernova somewhere.
Just like all material found on Earth

have said this in other thread:

"off world vehicles " = the space station is an off world vehicle



Nope.

Astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who worked as a consultant for the Pentagon, says the Department of Defense has not discontinued its UFO program. Davis claims even though the DoD says the program’s been shut down, it hasn’t. And he’s still working for it. He also says that he has recently given briefings to Pentagon officials regarding “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

nerdist.com...

OFF WORLD VEHICLES NOT MADE ON THIS EARTH!

Vehicles not supernovas.

have said this in other thread:

"off world vehicles " = the space station is an off world vehicle