SATURDAY: Antifa Cells Announce Day Of Retribution Across US

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: SaturnFX

For starters we should enforce the law in Portland and other cities where anarchy occurs when the sun sets. Also since we don’t really know what the rioters want besides death to cops, and those that support them, I don’t really understand how we are to negotiate with that. Bastardizing law enforcement because mobs of thugs in cities demand it, is not a logical answer to their demands.

Agree with the arrest the criminals. sure
Portland needs to step up, but seems their council decided to step out.

Well, election time is coming.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Ya I am reluctantly agreeing with this, because I understand my constitutional rights, but presently peaceful protesting as factually being explained in a court of law is peaceful all the time, not just sometimes.....

You see you can’t call yourself a peaceful protestor for a group that has become notorious for violence crime and destruction, you represent those actions.. No matter how naive you may be...

A man is judged by the character of the company he keeps.
-Aesop

Didn't Jesus hang out with a bunch of lowlifes?

2 And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”

John 8:23
Jesus continued, You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not.

He sort of had an out which the present *ahem* "Protestors" are lacking in.

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: JBurns

Either they don’t have enough data to come to a logical conclusion to realize they are wrong, or they support the political movement, trying to weaponize the constitution to justify it.

Amen to every last word

Its a shame, because the data is there. The left knows this and has satured the information medium to ensure finding a good answer is next to impossible.

We can cut through the noise, but it takes a lot of work and trust. This is one reason they are actively trying to erode trust despite the fact it has been democrats "leading" these areas for decades its a joke!

a reply to: SaturnFX

Yea I dunno, if civics can solve this problem. I guess when they kill a few more cops or retired cops like that old man in St. Louis, or maybe a pregnant woman, maybe people will start caring?

a reply to: SaturnFX

I agree, but what happens when the system is so broken and the voting populace is so radicalized that the only real choice is between the democrat who wants to wear red on wednesday and the one who wants to do it on sunday instead?

There is no real choice in these areas

They've let violence and crime spiral out of control because a good chunk of their base ARE the criminals, the other part is the group who must "virtue signal" hard enough to show they are a "woke ally" and the other third doesn't give a crap and votes how they'll vote?

a reply to: SaturnFX

It just ticks me off because there are a *LOT* of really good people in that city, and the Pacific North West. And its not fair to subject them to mob violence, mass crime and totally inept leadership that cares more about appearances and showing their virtues than actually serving the people they work for

a reply to: Mach2

But the feds really don't have the authority you claim. There are states rights issues here that even a conservative SCOTUS would have no choice but to recognize.

Not saying that they are powerless under the circumstances, but thier authority is limited. If they don't have the cooperation of state and local entities, there isn't much they can do legally. Even executive orders would be struck down on the basis of adherence to the Constitution.

The Feds not only have the authority but the Constitutional mandate to guarantee a republican form of government under Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution, as do the states respectively. Under a republican form of government, laws are established and executed by representatives elected by the people. The Portland autonomous zone (actually, any and all autonomous zones) are the exact opposite of a representative republican form of government executed for the people and by the people via elected representatives.

Just as Eisenhower and Kennedy invoked this authority when states refused to enforce federal law, so too can Trump.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: burdman30ott6

These protests were over a police officer killing an unarmed black man. Exactly what about that is "bullying" people or seeking to undermine the Constitution.

The "unwashed savage horde" is a large part of "We The People" and have the same rights as everyone else.

I want to point out another side to this as well. I'll try to do this without too many excitable individuals thinking it is a trolling attempt, because it isn't... though it likely will be seen as one by folks who get a pang behind their left eye upon reading it.

For my entire life, likely starting well before I became aware of politics in high school, mid 90s, the liberals in America have sought stricter gun control and they've pushed for more and more government. There is a part of me sitting here right now that does see there are "good meaning people" in these protests intermixed with the ones who simply can't accept an election's outcome and have chosen to exist in a state of perpetual pissyness for the past 4 years. That part of me also is sort of happy to see those good meaning people on the receiving end of some pain from the very same government they have sought to grant more power to. I hope each and every one of them who are simply peaceful protestors, when they experience pepper spray in their eyes, bruises and broken bones from baton strikes, and missing teeth from bean bag rounds stops for a moment and thinks "Holy #, this must be why those asshole separatists on the Right are so adamant about keeping the government small and the Second Amendment totally uninfringed!"

I realize it's asking too much, as scarcely anyone these days actually STFU long enough to formulate a coherent thought within their own skull, and even fewer will pause long enough to actually learn something and mature their position on the topic of a government who provides it all... mother, father, lover, whore, provider, caretaker, or control of the evil firearms, but maybe a few of them will... maybe the act of sitting with swole shut eyes, holding bags of frozen peas to their black and blue marks, unable to stand up without groaning for a week or so will wake some of them TF up long enough for them to realize THEY built this problem themselves through supporting not only a massive hellbeast of a government at all levels, but also supporting the removal of America's best tool to prevent that hellbeast from leaving the heel of We The People.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: DBCowboy

Not really because they're not. They're protesting a lopsided justice system.

FTR if any of the right wing's claims that they're being downtrodden ever hold validity I'll be here ( or elsewhere ) standing up for their rights as well.

Enumerated rights are not a partisan issue. They're universal and failing to protect the rights of those you disagree with enabled the dimineshment of freedom for all.

The 1st amendment says peaceful protest not violent ones. Historically protest that turned violent were considered riots, everyone understood this principle and had no problem with the distinction.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Looting, arson, acts of violence, throwing projectiles and defacing property are not protest and never were. The laws against it are completely Constitutional, and any person in government not enforcing those laws are co-conspirators and guilty of criminal acts. They are the enemy of the people. Riots are not lawful protest by any stretch of the imagination.

I think pretty much everyone was either supportive of, or fine with the peaceful protests at first and understood them. What's happening now is no longer protest, nor does it represent more than a tiny sliver of the population.

What's happening now is just all the dregs of society taking advantage of the cover of the real protest. It's just the same group of degenerates over and over again, while all the people who do the work and keep the country running are left unprotected, by corrupt local governments.

There will come a point, and I think it's coming soon, where the true majority decides to find their voice. Those few thousand creeps doing the damage, led by the cowardly local governments are up against hundreds of millions of good people from the Right and the Left. Ideology won't matter much longer. Soon people are going to realize why we have laws and police.

If there is a message these Antifa thugs need to hear, it's that they are nothing more than a bit of dog poo on the heel of societies shoes and easily washed off into the sewer where they belong.

Too direct?

a reply to: Boadicea

The SCOTUS disagrees.

There have been numerous cases through the years, and many opinions written by the justices.

A large majority of the time, it has ruled that it did not have jurisdiction, and declined to even hear the cases.

I could cite examples of case law, but you being a Constitutional expert and all, I'll let you do your own research.

I'm not saying I agree with a lot of the rulings, but they are there none the less.

a reply to: Mach2

The SCOTUS disagrees.... I could cite examples of case law, but you being a Constitutional expert and all, I'll let you do your own research.

Hmmmmm.... because that's how discussion forums work? Or just your echo chamber???

Okay. Whatever. Can't deviate from your script. Gotcha.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
It's 1pm here now.
Have they nuked trump tower yet?

Not yet, BLM is still grinding up white people to use as missile propellant so once the bird is fueled the launch sequence will begin.

They bypassed me in Southern Illinois because my blood
octane level (or BOC, with bigrok in head) is too low to
get the bird off the pad yet.
But I'm confident that with my two week old egg salad &
six pack of skunky Guinness from last Labor Day there'll
be more than enough natural gas energy to offset the
wimpiness of my watered down Chivas.

Those guys and gals want a day of retribution...REALLY?
I'll show them why they shoulda shown up with closed-circuit,
positive pressure Dustin Hoffmans. "Its Airborne", and it's only
gonna take one whiff like VX. Olympus has sprawlin'.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Mach2

The SCOTUS disagrees.... I could cite examples of case law, but you being a Constitutional expert and all, I'll let you do your own research.

Hmmmmm.... because that's how discussion forums work? Or just your echo chamber???

Okay. Whatever. Can't deviate from your script. Gotcha.

I'm not the one who made the original statement, citing the Constitution. Can you cite SC case law supporting your proclamation of inerrant Constitutional knowledge?

After all, that is how many forums work. The burden is on the one making the original statement. Not the other way around.

a reply to: Hefficide

Specifically can you please show me in the Constitution where your, my or anyone else's First Amendment rights have some sort of Cinderalla clause and are not applicable "in the middle of the night" - and - where it says that if one person commits a crime, everyone around them is complicit.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Glad to be of service.

a reply to: Mach2

I'm not the one who made the original statement, citing the Constitution. Can you cite SC case law supporting your proclamation of inerrant Constitutional knowledge?

After all, that is how many forums work. The burden is on the one making the original statement. Not the other way around.

Oh dear Lordy. I'm not going to play your game. I'll just call you out on it.

Yes, I made a statement, citing the Constitution -- Article and Section.

YOU then made the original statement about SCOTUS rulings, and then YOU oh so snidely refused to cite any such rulings, and YOU then taunted me to do provide SCOTUS rulings to counter these phantom rulings that YOU refused to cite.

If you want to make excuses for law enforcement at all levels and give the anarchists and terrorists a free pass, just say so. No need to twist yourself in a pretzel.

And now I'm done with you.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: xuenchen
Governors can mobilize the National Guard, legally and Constitutionally as a remedy to such problems.

Yes, except... they're not. That is the point.

People have a right to protest. If people in those protests cross legal lines we have laws and courts to sort that out and to punish the guilty parties - without infringing of the rights of those legally protesting.

Yes, except... they're not. The prosecutors are refusing to prosecute, and/or the courts just let them walk.

“Retribution” ??????

For what?!?!?

I’ve always said that these leftist cucks honestly believe that some great “wrong” has been perpetrated against them.

Not just the aNtifa pussies, but ALL lefties and dEm supporters.
They think that losing an election is some type of attack on them and that ‘vengeance’ needs to be sought.

They’re pathetic.

And come this November it’s gonna get a whole lot worse because the ‘popular vote’ most certainly is going to President Trump and THAT is something that will break their little hearts.
Because they’ve been lied to by their beloved media and have been lead to believe that most people agree with their disgusting ideology.

It’s gonna be a great year next year. I’m looking forward to it. Bigly.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Mach2



If you want to make excuses for law enforcement at all levels and give the anarchists and terrorists a free pass, just say so. No need to twist yourself in a pretzel.

And now I'm done with you.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. I would love to see every person who attacks police or bystanders, destroys personal or public property, or incites violence to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Unfortunately, as I said, it is not within the jurisdiction of federal law enforcement, or the purview of presidential executive order. If it were, it would have been done already. Thats why the limited actions that have been taken, were done by Homeland security, rather than the FBI, as they have a bit more latitude due to powers assigned via congressional approval. I don't like it any more than you do.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Declare the city in insurrection. arrest them all. military tribunals under martial law. Done, dusted, next.