The U.F.O. skeptics are in denial

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: vance

Sure there is. There's 905 pages in Alien/UFO forum on ATS. Start there then hit the thousands of websites filled with evidence on the internet.

And only one of those pages needs to have evidence for it to be a win.

Basic math applies. How many stories (pictures, videos) total are in existence? How many witness stories?

It literally only takes one out of those above thousands to be true for legitimate evidence. Simple math applies. What are the odds two separate people in separate countries having never met each other and speak different languages describe a similar thing?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: data5091
curiosity brings our alien friends to us. They probably want to see what a primitive culture is up to, and if we can get ourselves out of the planetary messes we have put ourselves into. They are into checking our weaponry over the past many decades.

I think the earth is a run away bio weapon. We are quarantined. And aliens stay the hell away.

Anything is possible, our section of the universe is very quiet and despite several claim's of transmission's received in the early days' of the space race, of Russian scientists believing they had detected a destroyed space craft we did not put up there in orbit.

It is possible there is a very good reason for that silence in our neighbourhood, a so called predator civilization may have passed our way in the past, any would be alien visitors may not WANT to contact us simply because they are scared of what could happen, are we a lure, a tasty light in a lantern fishes jaw waiting for a lesser fish to pounce and then eat it.

Now as for this video remember there were Russian scientists convinced the moon may itself have been an ancient craft or artificial structure, there are modern physicists including NUCLEAR PHYSICISTS that both believe in UFO's and alien visitation and also in the possibility that either a previous human civilization or another civilization entirely may have once existed in our solar system and reached level's that make our current age of science seem like child's play, of course there belief's are not accepted by the majority and are controversial at best but they exist.

One of the best was a guy that found evidence of an ancient nuclear explosion on Mars, isotopes of the type that do not form without nuclear fission in ratio's that do not form in nature, nobody has disproven his hypothesis and there are a great many other's besides these men.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Something like this?

Pink footed Geese in flight, filmed using a Thermal Camera, Pulsar HD38s

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a reply to: Lucidparadox

That's practically impossible to prove for you or anyone else in this age... Hell an alien himself if crashed and captured would have a hard time proving where he came from LOL. Can't you see that? I can see it now... "Well General, my ID is in my wallet, in that burning craft you just shot down BUT, I'm from planet X 😁

a reply to: neutronflux

Nice shot's a star but to my eye's they look very dissimilar to the image of the unknown (though you know often civilian model's can be even better than some military one's - defence budgets and cutting corners though I doubt that would be the case with a jet fighters optical systems then again these are old images so older generation of thermal imaging technology on the planes perhaps - that could even the playing field a tad between the military tech and that available to civilian's, any idea how old this camera is I am not a photographer though a former friend used to spend an obscene amount and loves his Eos while another back during the cold war used to always go to east berlin to get really good cameras - with the downside of cloth shutters though they were good nonetheless for a fraction of the cost of western European equivalents - actually he was my lecturer in physics back in college many years ago now).

a reply to: LABTECH767

Shrugs. I guess people see want they want to see.

Extraterrestrials in our universe. Yeap.

Extraterrestrials smart enough to make space flight between star systems likely. Probably not.

Extraterrestrials overcoming the vast distances between stars to just peek at earthings. Probably not.

a reply to: neutronflux

I think there may be, warping space just because we can figure out theoretically how to make an object move with the so called warp drive but not slow it down does not mean they have not, moving into other dimensional states may also provide short cut's and then there is the possibility of wormholes and many other potential's.
We may also not only be dealing with other civilizations in our galaxy but potentially even more than that in parallel reality's, other dimensions and even other universe that may be very close to our own that have figured out how to visit us in some way or other, there craft could perhaps even not be physically here just somehow projected or displaced in some form of long distance observation were perhaps using wormholes and quantum entanglement (just because we can't does not mean they can't) they visit without ever leaving there own home, being in two places at the same time in some way's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

"Other dimensions."

What does that mean, exactly? We live in 3 (four if you want to count time as a dimension).

Are you talking about other (alternate? parallel?) universes? Any reason to think it's easier to traverse them than it is space (or time)?

a reply to: Phage

Actually you are right, the concept is that there may be being's that are higher dimensional, we would seem to them as hypothetical two dimensional beings would seem to us, they may be unlikely or if they exist would be extremely unlikely to even want to interface with us but it is possible however unlikely that such a state of existence does in fact have reality, our level of reality, our dimensional state may be one of the lowest that can give rise to life, that is complex enough to allow enough law's of physics to operate to allow the functionality of our level of complexity but if that is the case then higher dimensions were if anything the state of existence is even more complex allowing even more dynamic forces to interact may be even more suitable for intelligence to have arisen than it is at our level.

Of course you are correct however since that posits the concept of other DIMENSIONS being separate but in fact they are all one and it is just our perception which is limited.

BUT other dimensional states may be a reality, as you know it is not the same as parallel reality's which is an entirely different concept but many folk's do mix them up a lot often saying other dimension when in fact they mean other reality.

That said as far as other dimensions exists let's take a leaf out of the pseudo sciences (some would deny they have any scientific validity at all) such as parapsychology etc, back in the 1800's many mystics called medium's often referred to controlling there vibrations and moving between level's of reality or dimensions of reality especially in there trance like states, if such other dimensional states exist then in them parallel reality's that exist at our level would be over arched by these higher reality states and no longer separate when viewed in that manner.

Now bring that old pseudo mumbo jumbo up to today and look at the parallels - the many parallels with quantum theory, it is possible that is just simply intelligent people coming to similar understanding using completely different frames of reference and simply down to the flaw's inherent in our own mind set and the way we interpret the world around us but what if?.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Actually you are right,

'nuff said.
The rest is salad.

a reply to: Phage

You do crack me up sometimes phage, watch your head does not get too big, that said I am actually fairly zombified at the moment it is after three am here and I am just in an insomnia at the moment so may try to get some shut eye and think again tomorrow, I type often when my brain is in my butt but then don't we all.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: neutronflux

I think there may be, warping space just because we can figure out theoretically how to make an object move with the so called warp drive but not slow it down does not mean they have not, moving into other dimensional states may also provide short cut's and then there is the possibility of wormholes and many other potential's.
We may also not only be dealing with other civilizations in our galaxy but potentially even more than that in parallel reality's, other dimensions and even other universe that may be very close to our own that have figured out how to visit us in some way or other, there craft could perhaps even not be physically here just somehow projected or displaced in some form of long distance observation were perhaps using wormholes and quantum entanglement (just because we can't does not mean they can't) they visit without ever leaving there own home, being in two places at the same time in some way's.

Exactly!

It always amazes me how closed minded pseudoskeptics are.

How are you going to limit what an advanced civilization can or can't do based on our current understanding of Physics which is limited. On the Kardashev scale we're a type 0 civilization. So if there's a type 2 or type 3 civilization out there, how can we limit what they can or can't do based on our understanding?

They may know what dark energy and dark matter is and they can manipulate it in ways that will allow them to do things that currently seem impossible to us. Some estimate it will take 100,000 to 1 million years for us to reach type 3 status. Based on Sagan's calculations Earth is around a .73 right now. About 100-200 years away from type 1 status.

Like I said, some people have this irrational desire to be alone in the universe even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

originally posted by: neoholographic
Dr. Kaku was right. The burden of proof has shifted from those who say U.F.O.'s exist to those who say they don't.

Dr Kaku is not right, and not only that, it looks like the video where he said the burden of proof has shifted was removed from youtube, because it was linked in a metabunk thread which discussed how Kaku was wrong and you can see the linked video there is gone.

Why Michio Kaku is wrong about the UFO Burden of Proof & Navy Videos

We aren't supposed to re-post content from other forums here so you'll have to read the link yourself if you want to see why Kaku is wrong, but I can tell you he had such a superficial understanding of the subject, his comments are completely worthless. There are far more in-depth analyses, again from metabunk in other threads there' which dissect the Navy videos in detail to show how wrong Kaku is about them.

originally posted by: neoholographic
Like I said, some people have this irrational desire to be alone in the universe even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

I think you're way off if you think skeptics "have this irrational desire to be alone in the universe", I'm a skeptic and I think it would be cool if aliens were visiting earth as long as they were nice and friendly, and not the evil ones like in the movie Independence Day, but what I want or don't want to be the case isn't really relevant to any independent objective truth.

The independent objective truth is that people are not very reliable observers, and no, not even pilots. J Allen Hynek who studied UFOs and even came to believe some weren't from Earth, found pilots to have among the highest misperception rates of all the categories of observers, so it's really odd to hear people say they are the most reliable when the only evidence I've seen of reliability is from Hynek saying the opposite, and there is certainly plenty of anecdotal evidence that pilots don't have any special skills in identifying UFOs, though maybe they do in identifying other KNOWN aircraft.

I don't know what the three objects are in the navy videos, but the release form for the videos refers to UAV, balloons and unmanned aerial systems, and at least one of them has all the characteristics of a balloon, the "gofast" video, though we can't confirm that's what it is, just that a balloon can't be ruled out, and see the release form does indeed say "balloons":

"Go Fast" UFO Video Explained?

originally posted by: LABTECH767 ....
Now as for this video remember there were Russian scientists convinced the moon may itself have been an ancient craft or artificial structure, ....

You were doing so well with the latest 'disclosure' tales, then you pulled out that old "Russian scientists and artificial moon theory" hoax, and you blew it. Sad. That was debunked about, oh, forty years ago. Please try to catch up.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

First you link to a forum of a buch of pseudoskeptics giving their opinion. They seem upset because Kaku agrees with the military that put the videos out. If there was such a simple explanation, why bother even mentioning it as something unknown? According to your pseudoskeptic friends there is simple explanations for these things and they're smarter than everyone else.

I can post articles and videos that support the military in releasing these videos of U.A.P.'s and briefing Congress. I will not do that because you're just making the pseudoskeptic argument that everybody but you is stupid. All of these sightings, close encounters and more over the years is weather balloons and swamp gas.

It's intellectual dishonesty and I'm glad more info is coming out.

UFOs at Nuclear Weapons Sites | Robert L. Hastings



What you're doing is trying to make a blanket illogical statement. You're trying to paint the picture that all of these eyewitnesses like Pilots, Police, Military and more are just unreliable idiots while you the pseudoskeptic that didn't witness anything should be listened to instead.

Were these weather balloons in space to?



Is this guy an idiot? He was in space and saw things that he described as a U.F.O. based on his training and of identifying mundane things in space. But the pseudoskeptic says he's a unreliable idiot and instead you should trust there bias opinion that everyone is an idiot but them.

Jerry Linenger Saw A UFO From Space Station Mir



Was this a weather balloon in space?

My point is this, I think the days are over when pseudoskeptics will be listened to at all because of the accumulation of evidence with these U.F.O.'s alongside science which is discovering a universe that's most likely teeming with both microbial and intelligent life.

a reply to: neoholographic

Kaku is a jackass. He's a Sagan wannabe but just doesn't get it.

Yeah, that's right, I attacked the messenger. Because you made the messenger equivalent to the message. You did a really lame appeal to authority.

He has no information. He saw a video and was incapable of applying critical thinking to what he saw in the video. He accepted what he was spoon fed, that there was no explanation for what he saw.

It got him an interview. Cool.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neoholographic

Kaku is a jackass. He's a Sagan wannabe but just doesn't get it.

Yeah, that's right, I attacked the messenger. Because you made the messenger equivalent to the message. You did a really lame appeal to authority.

He has no information. He saw a video and was incapable of applying critical thinking to what he saw in the video. He accepted what he was spoon fed, that there was no explanation for what he saw.

It got him an interview. Cool.

Wow, you sound upset because Kaku has a different opinion than you. Typical pseudoskeptic nonsense.

Maybe he should come and bow down to your intelligence since you know all things LOL.

You pseudoskeptics look desperate, but this is just the 1st stage of denial. Wait until more info comes out.

a reply to: neoholographic

Wow, you sound upset because Kaku has a different opinion than you.

There are many who have opinions which differ from mine.
I just don't like it when they are media whores.

But I wonder if perhaps Kaku has seen the various analyses of that video since that video. I wonder if he would accept new information.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: neoholographic

Wow, you sound upset because Kaku has a different opinion than you.

There are many who have opinions which differ from mine.
I just don't like it when they are media whores.

But I wonder if perhaps Kaku has seen the various analyses of that video since that video. I wonder if he would accept new information.

Do you pseudoskeptics realize how ridiculous you sound? You guys are really in the throws of denial. You have one pseudoskeptic calling all Pilots unreliable idiots and now you can't stand that Kaku has a different opinion than you have because everyone should listen to you [insert sarcasm].

a reply to: neoholographic
Throes.

You have one pseudoskeptic calling all Pilots unreliable idiots

Which one?