The Great Manmade River. The fate of the world's largest water project in Libya.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

If one is comparing his rule to what was possible with the resources available, he was not so hot and more than a bit of a tyrant.

Yep. Hitler's regime built the Autobahns. But much else went on as well.

Cheers

Well, Gaddafi did not attack anyone and did not suit the Holocaust.

Oh, that's right (slaps self). It was Quadaffi (or was it Khadaffi?) who attacked others from time to time. Must have been the evil twins who did that stuff.

Truth is, G./K./Q. made plenty of enemies and they were happy to murder him when he became vulnerable.

But now that Turkey is there, everything will turn out well (/sarcasm).

Cheers

I saw Libyan tanks in Berlin, Paris, London and Washington ... in a dream)))

Too much dreaming, my friend!!

Pretty sure Libyan tanks were in places like Tchad. Also adventures like taking part in the Arab-Israeli Wars.

Yeah, small beans compared to some of history's adventures . . . but he had his "me macho man" side.

Cheers

Yes, but almost all European (and not only) cities had American tanks)))

My friend!! There is no need to conceal the brilliance of Moscow's lamp here. Russian tanks used to decorate quite a few cities in Europe as well. They were even in Libya, of all places. Moscow did a lot of business with arms (as did the USA).

Did you know many of the American tanks were cleaned and then dumped into the ocean to create an artificial barrier?

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

If one is comparing his rule to what was possible with the resources available, he was not so hot and more than a bit of a tyrant.

Yep. Hitler's regime built the Autobahns. But much else went on as well.

Cheers

Well, Gaddafi did not attack anyone and did not suit the Holocaust.

Oh, that's right (slaps self). It was Quadaffi (or was it Khadaffi?) who attacked others from time to time. Must have been the evil twins who did that stuff.

Truth is, G./K./Q. made plenty of enemies and they were happy to murder him when he became vulnerable.

But now that Turkey is there, everything will turn out well (/sarcasm).

Cheers

I saw Libyan tanks in Berlin, Paris, London and Washington ... in a dream)))

Too much dreaming, my friend!!

Pretty sure Libyan tanks were in places like Tchad. Also adventures like taking part in the Arab-Israeli Wars.

Yeah, small beans compared to some of history's adventures . . . but he had his "me macho man" side.

Cheers

Yes, but almost all European (and not only) cities had American tanks)))

My friend!! There is no need to conceal the brilliance of Moscow's lamp here. Russian tanks used to decorate quite a few cities in Europe as well. They were even in Libya, of all places. Moscow did a lot of business with arms (as did the USA).

Did you know many of the American tanks were cleaned and then dumped into the ocean to create an artificial barrier?

Cheers

I shed a tear)))
The whole world knows that in American tankers, gas and oil molecules bring people Freedom, Democracy and human rights, and in Russian pipelines - tyranny, war and enslavement)))

It is a sad story. It looks like the CIA done something right helping him get into position in the first place. A tough guy in a tough place. Looking through Gaddafi's human rights record, lot of dead bodies, 10 here, 5 there, 20 over there. He did manage to go a few years without having to confront bandits and other wanders causing trouble. The standard of life he achieved for his nation was amazing.

Hearing about the factories working on the water project getting destroyed as our western media was embedded with the rebels... what are we fighting for again?

Hillary is deep in on this one, letting soldiers at Benghazi get ambushed to help with the call for war. She is very evil. It is not just her though on this one.

They claimed there where rockets being stored at the factory, I call bull# on that one. There are lots of nato members.. I wonder if they all where given a heads up about destroying the pipe manufacturing plant or if one or two countries pulled the trigger. Trying to find out which airforce dropped the bombs but all the sources just say nato....

It was the RAF, British aircraft who destroyed the facility.
a reply to: kwakakev

America has military hardware all over the world. Are we Ghadaffi?

Personally, I think destabalizing entire countries to replace one tyrant with thousands of tyrants doesnt make good sense. Atleast with one tyrant progress is not prevented by factions or political parties who are at the behest of foreign influence of lobbyest and politicians who seek to enrich themselves at the sacrifice of common sense. There are far more worse tyrants who have been in the news for years that should have been in line for "democratic purification" before Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

Unfortunately, these countries will be destabilized for many years to come if the Phillipines serves as any kind of indicator. They were far more advanced before the orchestrated fall of Marcos than they are now. My family equates what has done there to our heritage is in effect removing one Tyrant and replacing it with thousands of tyrants. Even here in the US because politicians can be bought we belong to lobbyiest of corporations and foreign countries.

Not to bad mouth "democratic purification" but when purification is putrid it doesnt help matters at all.

I always felt that Ghadaffi was a very rotten individual earlier in life (see his connections to Lockerbie Bombing), but near the end he seemed to have made an attempt at rehabilitation and reconciliation.

If he indeed knew about the Lockerbie bombing, then that is an irredeemable sin. However, he did make attempts at normalizing international relations, and trying to redeem his tyranny and abuse of the Libyan people.

I think Ghadaffi belonged in jail for terrorism and war crimes. I don't think the US should have been scheming to take him out, and certainly the entire Libyan coup and Arab Spring as a whole is IMO a blight on Obama and Clinton's foreign policy record.

@RT, you should compile another thread like this about the ongoing water dispute between Egypt and Ethiopia. The level of water flow in the Nile is diminishing rapidly, which would crush Egypt's long-term viability as a country. Seems there are some interesting questions about how and why the volume of water flowing in the Nile is decreasing.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Of course, this is not the only topic about water, I have several materials. I will write more posts on this topic on the forum. Tomorrow I am leaving for Moscow on business, and I will be back in a week.

a reply to: RussianTroll



Interesting post RT for a man who was labelled a dictator he did a lot for the people of the area .

Us Brits have a very tongue in cheek way sometimes www.imdb.com...


Men being left to drink oil in the desert when the water vanishes in 2008 , My favourite as a kid was www.imdb.com...

a reply to: RussianTroll

I hope you do continue to write threads. I've been thoroughly enjoying reading your work.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: RussianTroll

I hope you do continue to write threads. I've been thoroughly enjoying reading your work.

Required)))

a reply to: RussianTroll

Tomorrow I am leaving for Moscow on business, and I will be back in a week.

Say hello to everyone there from ATS, RT. I'm sure they will be vastly amused.

On a serious note, may you travel well and safely.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: RussianTroll

Tomorrow I am leaving for Moscow on business, and I will be back in a week.

Say hello to everyone there from ATS, RT. I'm sure they will be vastly amused.

On a serious note, may you travel well and safely.

Cheers

Thank you my friend. Now the restrictions on Covid have been lifted, and I need to go to our capital on business for a long time.
I send my best regards to all my friends and readers on the ATS forum. We will definitely meet again soon, my dears))))

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Of course, this is not the only topic about water, I have several materials. I will write more posts on this topic on the forum. Tomorrow I am leaving for Moscow on business, and I will be back in a week.

Safe travels; will be glad to read more about this issue, as it will be a major influencing factor in foreign policy over the next 50+ years.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

I have materials on the topic of fresh water in the Middle East, Africa, China, Russia and even the USA (zinc pipes). I have been collecting materials for many years, including posts previously published on the ATS forum. Thank!

I wonder if the Great Man Made River was doubling as a cover for something else. The length and diameter of the pipelines reminds me of project Iceworm.

Project Iceworm was to be a system of tunnels 4,000 kilometres (2,500 mi) in length, used to deploy up to 600 nuclear missiles, that would be able to reach the Soviet Union in case of nuclear war. The missile locations would be under the cover of Greenland's ice sheet and were supposed to be periodically changed. 

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That's exactly the length of the Libyan water project. This is not meant as an excuse for what went down in Libya - that was inexcusable.

Interestingly Project Iceworm may itself have been a cover to extract something from under Greenland's ice sheet. I wrote about that in my thread

Are We Being Prepared For A Huge Disclosure Event?

originally posted by: MindBodySpiritComplex
I wonder if the Great Man Made River was doubling as a cover for something else. The length and diameter of the pipelines reminds me of project Iceworm.

Project Iceworm was to be a system of tunnels 4,000 kilometres (2,500 mi) in length, used to deploy up to 600 nuclear missiles, that would be able to reach the Soviet Union in case of nuclear war. The missile locations would be under the cover of Greenland's ice sheet and were supposed to be periodically changed. 

link

That's exactly the length of the Libyan water project. This is not meant as an excuse for what went down in Libya - that was inexcusable.

Interestingly Project Iceworm may itself have been a cover to extract something from under Greenland's ice sheet. I wrote about that in my thread Are We Being Prepared For A Huge Disclosure Event?

Very interesting version!

Russian specialists, including special services, were in Libya during the Soviet era. Russia was not present in Libya in the 21st century. Gaddafi was very friendly with France and Italy. There was a special friendship with Silvio Berlusconi, his tent in Rome was guarded by bodyguards - women. The project began when Russia's influence in Libya was minimal.

When Libya was destroyed, Russia was weak and the president was not Putin (Medvedev). After 6 years, Russia has become so strong that it was able to protect Syria from attacks by international terrorists.

a reply to: tinktinktink

I do find your views putrid, but I appreciate your candour. Libya is a mess for a generation, at least. To find some solace in a thousand tyrants instead of one is... realistic? It is what we have.

Even here in the US because politicians can be bought we belong to lobbyiest of corporations and foreign countries.

Yes. It is the situation. I know we cannot change the past. What hope do you have for the future?

a reply to: RussianTroll

Interesting read.

a reply to: muzzleflash

i agree to a point, but do you have your own well? if so how much did you pay to have it drilled, pump, tank, filters and extras that go with it, and then there is the maintenance that comes with it, and if you can't do it yourself you to have to pay others to do it for you. wells can be a pain in the azz.

instead the majority of people in the U.S. pay for water/ sewage service through a utility company that has invested in tens millions of dollars in infrastructure, for wells,pumps and motors, water towers, treatment equipment, drilling and digging equipment or paid a drilling company to drill the well.

can't say for the rest of the country, but my water bill comes to about 20 bucks a month when averaged out. i gladly pay that to not have to mess the hassle of a well. which can be a thousand or better a year when you factor in all that is needed, or may happen.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Those points might be valid in a perfect world.

But all that matters to me is that I was homeless in Austin and it was 108 F and I was lost and in a huge complex of businesses at like 2pm and had zero $ and wanted to find a drink of water.

I went from hotel to hotel asking to use a water fountain or sink faucet and all of them said verbatim "are you a paying customer? Im sorry sir I cannot let you use our fountain".

I thought we were in this together?
After a few tries I just said call the cops.

You'd think in the richest country on Earth I could find a kind human to SAVE MY LIFE and provide a drink.

But my life doesn't matter and policy says I can go to hell. Because your God damned $,

3 or 4 cents > value of my life.

Anyways, don't give a # what anyone thinks or says. The society you believe chose pennies over my life. No robot can break their npc script.

So this is how reality really works:
You agree we share the water.
Or I'll take my fair share and I will do whatever it takes even if it comes to the worst.