Federal law enforcement pulling people of the street in Portland

a reply to: Boadicea

Are you saying that it's okay for police to beat the crap out of anyone who breaks a law?

No, that’s not what I’m saying. A little common sense about the situation at hand could be implied here. Portland riots is the topic at hand and what I’m basing my responses on.

Rioting is unacceptable, yet, people are okay with it being their “new norm”, it’s ridiculous and most of us think it needs to stop like yesterday. Let them do what they need to in order to retake their city back is what I’m saying. These jerks are negatively effecting lots of innocent people’s life’s.

a reply to: mtnshredder

Let them do what they need to in order to retake their city back is what I’m saying.

I will "let" them do nothing... and certainly nothing contrary to their oath to uphold the Constitution and our natural and enumerated rights.

I will expect and demand that they uphold the law, following proper protocols in full compliance of everyone's right to due process and equal application of the law.

originally posted by: deadlysyn
a reply to: Boadicea

So Rayshard Brooks was not in violation of the law when he resisted arrest, stole an officers taser, then fired it at the officers? I remember a headline shortly after about the officer that fired his weapon being either suspended or fired.

Did I cite the case of Rayshard Brooks as unjustifiable? No. I did not. If I had wanted to, I would have. I did not because it is not a case of an unjustifiable murder. Rayshard Brooks did in fact and in deed steal an officer's weapon, aim it at said officer and discharge the weapon at the officer. Which is -- by definition and description of prosecutors -- a lethal weapon, as declared in charges against two officers the week before for that very reason. Nevertheless, the officer who shot Rayshard Brooks has been charged, although by their own definition, Brooks was an imminent threat to the officer's life.

Your precious martyr...

Oh dear...

...George Floyd had a criminal record that goes back several years, including crimes of theft, drug use, also spending 5 years in prison for armed robbery. That one was classy too. He dressed up to look like a utility worker, broke into a pregnant womans house, along with 5 of his friends, if I'm remembering the details correctly. One of them held a loaded firearm to the woman's stomach. Real classy bunch there.

As the whole world knows...

In his case, the officer was definitely using excessive force, but it looks as though it had more to do with a personal grudge considering they worked together at one point beforehand.

Agreed.

He was also under arrest for passing a counterfeit $20 bill, which is a federal felony, even if it were only a $1 bill.

And neither this nor any of Floyd's previous crimes justifies the cop's excessive and lethal force.

We don't protect Floyd's rights because he's such a great guy... we protect Floyd's rights because if HIS rights mean nothing than OUR rights mean nothing.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: DBCowboy

I think they should start shooting the looters and ones destroying private property.

Um... yeah... pot meet kettle.

Cops playing judge, jury and executioner is what got us here to begin with. And those who cheer them on of course.

If someone is breaking into your home, burning your property, harming your family, destroying everything you own, you don't have a right to stop them?

Are you insane?

I would totally be for this if we were allowed to self defend from cop brutality

There ought to be a law against that.

Oh wait. . . .

I would totally be for shooting looters in self defense if common citizens would be able shoot off cops from harassing and not respecting your rights because mad kid wants sense of authority.

So you're against shooting people who may harm you or kill you because we can't shoot cops?

That's a full bucket of stupid.

right there you just said it, you're FOR shooting people that kill you or may harm you but not if its a cop?

And you're making a false equivalency between shooting cops whom you think are doing wrong and looters actively trying to kill people.

Your interpretation of what I am saying is misguided and bias.
I am simply saying I agree with shooting people who are trying to kill or harm you, even if its a cop.
There's no more need to discuss that..

a reply to: Boadicea

I will "let" them do nothing

Then watch it burn while thousands of other citizens rights are being violated. They have no right/s to be doing what they’re doing. Stop taking what I’m saying out of context for your little spin, no need to argue semantics is there?

a reply to: Boadicea

So we're going to just lump all police together as bad actors because of a few bad ones? The one that everyone is rioting and looting over looks more like a personal grudge considering their previous connections. Not to mention Floyd was intoxicated and had a heart condition.

Here's a little bit of light reading on your martyr. The article is pretty heavily biased, but the court document is not. classichiphopmagazine.com...

For the record, as well, the ACAB crap that the rioters and looters has been spewing like crazy come from something originally coined by the Aryan Brotherhood, a prison based white supremacists group. Kind of interesting how BLM is screaming a phrase brought to the world by white supremacists.

originally posted by: Boadicea

We don't protect Floyd's rights because he's such a great guy... we protect Floyd's rights because if HIS rights mean nothing than OUR rights mean nothing.

And the cop was charged... Not sure the problem here...

If this article is accurate ...

Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn’t tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him if he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest.

Then somebody had to know who dropped Pettibone off at the courthouse. I doubt a bunch of random armed goons can just drop someone off at a federal courthouse and have him locked up. Pettibone is entitled to know the names and ID numbers of the arresting officers. He would be well within his rights to have each one charged with armed kidnapping. Anyone trying to hide the identities of these armed goons should be charged as accessories after the fact. He can also sue the officers who refused to tell him why he was arrested for violating his civil rights.

If that had been me, I would do my best to make these people famous. Everyone would know their names, faces, what they did, and who told them to do it.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
If they are being grabbed by federal agents, then they’ve probably been caught on camera in the act of domestic terrorism most likely and don’t deserve any rights like any other terrorist. That phrase, play stupid games and win stupid prizes comes to mind.

This is what you call Rational Ground Zero.

It sure sucks that the 'Really Smart People" as a to remain un-named freak of nature commonly says.....are now being snapped up by LEOs like Lucky Charms from Orpah Winfreys Breakfast Buffet....I guess smart is as smart does huh?

There have always been and the will always be MORE GOOD PEOPLE THAN BAD PEOPLE....we were victims on a Global scale of Anti-Humanitarian Propaganda so evil and pervasive that as a collective Species we had forgotten this possible reality.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The problem is they don't feel like a murder charge is enough and that all police officers should be held accountable, because feelings or something.

originally posted by: deadlysyn
a reply to: Xtrozero

The problem is they don't feel like a murder charge is enough and that all police officers should be held accountable, because feelings or something.

The ones calling all cops bad are the same ones saying we shouldn't be mad at all of Islam because of a few terrorists.

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: DBCowboy

I think they should start shooting the looters and ones destroying private property.

Um... yeah... pot meet kettle.

Cops playing judge, jury and executioner is what got us here to begin with. And those who cheer them on of course.

If someone is breaking into your home, burning your property, harming your family, destroying everything you own, you don't have a right to stop them?

Are you insane?

I would totally be for this if we were allowed to self defend from cop brutality

There ought to be a law against that.

Oh wait. . . .

I would totally be for shooting looters in self defense if common citizens would be able shoot off cops from harassing and not respecting your rights because mad kid wants sense of authority.

"If common citizens would be able [to] shoot off cops from harassing and not respecting your rights because mad kind wants sense of authority" -- YOU are what's wrong with society right now. Everyone demands respect but does not want to give it. Believing you have the right to "shoot off cops" for doing their jobs (and before you try to ask if "harassing" is part of their job, harassing is defined as If someone is abusing, insulting, or otherwise harming you on a regular basis, which is not what police do, but it definitely is something rioters are doing). I've never had issues with authority because I was raised to treat everyone with respect and kindness, which means that if I was ever stopped by police I wouldn't try to run or be disrespectful...I hold myself to a higher standard than most people, I guess, who think they deserve the right to "shoot off cops" and behave like lawless loonies.

~Sovereign

A first glance of reputable reporting on this, I can draw this conclusion, which is not intended to rile anyone up..

Portland is left. Very very left. The city is so left it is trying to invent itself as a weirder throwback to 60's San Fransisco. "Antifa" is pretty much headquartered there.

The president has gone on record pushing for antifa to be a terrorist organization. And executive order dispatches federal police to combat uprisings.

Protestors of varying degrees of conviction and motivation resisting is nothing new. Herd minded mayhem and lack of perspective is nothing new. Half dont even know what they are protesting or fighting. In that regard ACAB is today's version of calling honorable vets "baby killers".

Wonder what Today's version of this is?



That said, Oregon's governor wants the federal police out, and Trump wants to bully antifa protesters to gain police endorsement for the upcoming election, and purposely inflame the situation so he can say, "See I told you they were terrorists!"

And that's all there is to it, IMO.

a reply to: mtnshredder

Then watch it burn while thousands of other citizens rights are being violated. They have no right/s to be doing what they’re doing.

Stop the dramatics. Expecting and demanding that law enforcement does it's job according to the law does not equal watching it burn. But "letting" law enforcement run roughshod over our rights and the people sure isn't protecting anyone's rights. Especially when it's excessive force and abuse of power that got us here

Stop taking what I’m saying out of context for your little spin, no need to argue semantics is there?

I'm not taking anything out of context. If anything, I am putting things into their proper lawful and Constitutional context.

originally posted by: deadlysyn
a reply to: Boadicea

So we're going to just lump all police together as bad actors because of a few bad ones?

I've already made very clear distinctions, which you have chosen to ignore.

The one that everyone is rioting and looting over looks more like a personal grudge considering their previous connections. Not to mention Floyd was intoxicated and had a heart condition.

Which has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it was a justified homicide -- it wasn't. Repeating yourself does not change that.

Here's a little bit of light reading on your martyr. The article is pretty heavily biased, but the court document is not. classichiphopmagazine.com...

As I already told you, I am well aware of Floyd's previous crimes. And as I've already told you, it is moot in regards to the necessity of protecting HIS rights in order to protect OUR rights.

For the record, as well, the ACAB crap that the rioters and looters has been spewing like crazy come from something originally coined by the Aryan Brotherhood, a prison based white supremacists group. Kind of interesting how BLM is screaming a phrase brought to the world by white supremacists.

Only for those living in their own echo chamber. The rest of us understand they're all rotten to the core and it's all propaganda and rabble rousing. Hence the need to protect and defend our absolute inalienable natural and Constitutional rights from all branches and level of government.

This is a good topic but I could only last a page or two how some people decided to argue nonsense without even watching the clips.

I was hoping to read about these clips being staged or not, or where the kidnapped people are.

I'm shocked to read ATS is allowing such violent language as, "I hope people get shot" and various other extremely violent language repeated numerous times. What happens to people who video record themselves saying such violent things and post it on the internet? So writing it is ok?

originally posted by: SovereignEve

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: zxunda

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: DBCowboy

I think they should start shooting the looters and ones destroying private property.

Um... yeah... pot meet kettle.

Cops playing judge, jury and executioner is what got us here to begin with. And those who cheer them on of course.

If someone is breaking into your home, burning your property, harming your family, destroying everything you own, you don't have a right to stop them?

Are you insane?

I would totally be for this if we were allowed to self defend from cop brutality

There ought to be a law against that.

Oh wait. . . .

I would totally be for shooting looters in self defense if common citizens would be able shoot off cops from harassing and not respecting your rights because mad kid wants sense of authority.

"If common citizens would be able [to] shoot off cops from harassing and not respecting your rights because mad kind wants sense of authority" -- YOU are what's wrong with society right now. Everyone demands respect but does not want to give it. Believing you have the right to "shoot off cops" for doing their jobs (and before you try to ask if "harassing" is part of their job, harassing is defined as If someone is abusing, insulting, or otherwise harming you on a regular basis, which is not what police do, but it definitely is something rioters are doing). I've never had issues with authority because I was raised to treat everyone with respect and kindness, which means that if I was ever stopped by police I wouldn't try to run or be disrespectful...I hold myself to a higher standard than most people, I guess, who think they deserve the right to "shoot off cops" and behave like lawless loonies.

~Sovereign

Refer to the above replies,
Cheers.

originally posted by: game over man
This is a good topic but I could only last a page or two how some people decided to argue nonsense without even watching the clips.

I was hoping to read about these clips being staged or not, or where the kidnapped people are.

I'm shocked to read ATS is allowing such violent language as, "I hope people get shot" and various other extremely violent language repeated numerous times. What happens to people who video record themselves saying such violent things and post it on the internet? So writing it is ok?

Should we cancel them?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: deadlysyn
a reply to: Xtrozero

The problem is they don't feel like a murder charge is enough and that all police officers should be held accountable, because feelings or something.

The ones calling all cops bad are the same ones saying we shouldn't be mad at all of Islam because of a few terrorists.

Conversely, many of the ones saying not all cops are bad are the ones lumping all the protesters together with the looters/rioters.

originally posted by: HanSolo31
Can anyone post some links to videos of people being taken ?

Can't speak to its veracity ( or the context against which it was shot), but this is the only one I have seen:

Twitter

While it leaves many questions, it's certain troubling, if authentic.