Federal law enforcement pulling people of the street in Portland

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Boadicea

So you believe the OP's statement is factual.

That police are dragging people off the street.

What empirical evidence do you have?

I didn't claim to know -- or believe -- a damn thing. My exact words:

...and that there is no moral or legal authority for this described detention...

Further, I have specifically and pointedly referred to our Constitutional rights, due process and equal application of the law. In other words, the proper protocol and process for determining guilt or innocence in accordance with law.

Most important, I took exception to your demand for LEOs to play judge, jury and executioner in direct violation of our Constitutional rights, due process and equal application of the law. And I noted that this is exactly what got us here to begin with.

One of the most sensible posts I've seen, and yet you have committed the crime of going against the ATS circle jerk.

I weep for what this site has become.

originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: projectvxn

The article stated this has occurred on nights with no violence or tear gas. So it's still considered a riot?

Let me let you in on how his works:

During the riots, law enforcement is taking pictures, recording video, and essentially "tagging" people. When it is safe to do so, the rioters get black bagged and taken in. Some get charged others don't.

Screw their rights.

I don't care if it's a goddamn werewolf, rights are rights.

Wtf is happening here? Rights only apply to people that agree with you politically?

originally posted by: HackScribbler
I support whatever it takes to regain control of radical elements in this country. 👍

If it has to be done "under the radar", so be it.

I have a personal zero-tolerance policy for leftist BS.

Round them up, put them on trains, give them the gas, right? Whatever it takes?

Jesus, I live in a later time zone so I've come across this thread pretty late, but I honestly can not even believe what some of you are saying. Reading through this thread is absolutely disturbing.

NDAA 2012 gives the President power to kidnap any American anywhere, including the United States.

Source

Overstated? Let's be clear: the NDAA grants the president the power to kidnap any American anywhere in the United States and hold him or her in prison forever without trial. 

originally posted by: VariableConstant

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Boadicea

So you believe the OP's statement is factual.

That police are dragging people off the street.

What empirical evidence do you have?

I didn't claim to know -- or believe -- a damn thing. My exact words:

...and that there is no moral or legal authority for this described detention...

Further, I have specifically and pointedly referred to our Constitutional rights, due process and equal application of the law. In other words, the proper protocol and process for determining guilt or innocence in accordance with law.

Most important, I took exception to your demand for LEOs to play judge, jury and executioner in direct violation of our Constitutional rights, due process and equal application of the law. And I noted that this is exactly what got us here to begin with.

One of the most sensible posts I've seen, and yet you have committed the crime of going against the ATS circle jerk.

I weep for what this site has become.

Exactly my thoughts!

Shame!

a reply to: Liquesence

I dunno, maybe wearing one's badge while in the course of duty, or attempting to hide it/one's identity?

That doesn’t answer the question I asked: what does what I may or may not do have to do with CBP and Portland? What sort of identifiers are to be worn, when, where, and how are specified by the agency, not the constitution. If you want to know what CBP says then ask them, not me. Not telling a random person on the street your name just because they ask isn’t unconstitutional. Waiting two minutes to tell a detainee your name isn’t unconstitutional. Not wearing as many patches as somebody else thinks you should isn’t unconstitutional.

Constitutionality? So was I. Is constitutionality contingent?

No, you’re asking about uniform SOPs. Those don’t have anything to do with constitutionality.

Then why hide insignia or a badge, unless one wants to remain anonymous or one doesn't have one?

Who was hiding anything? Proof that they were hiding something?

One repeats oneself when sees attempts to avoid issues or questions. You should understand this

I’ve answered the question directly and indirectly more than once. Repeating the question isn’t going to coerce me into repeating my answer ad nauseum.

a reply to: Shamrock6

The DHS states they are not wearing any type of identifier so they do not get doxxed. Although it was noted that even upper level military dealing with terrorists on foreign soil wear name patches sometimes in both English and Arabic languages. So apparently they are more afraid of citizens than foreign terrorists it seems.

Practically everything in life boils down to momentum and the swinging of a pendulum. The Merovingian in the Matrix said it succinctly and eloquently:

".....action...reaction. .....cause....and effect"

For several weeks we witnessed absolute mayhem in the streets all over the US, to the point where some fools assumed it'd be OK to carve out their own little fiefdom in the middle of Seattle (in other words anarchy). What we are observing now is beginning of the inevitable yank of the pendulum back to the other extreme (in other words government crackdown).

The ideal turn of events several weeks back would've been for the /local/ police of all cities to really maintain order, launch as much tear gas as it took, swing their batons till their arms hurt, until the looters, rioters and provocateurs were banished from the streets. This would've stabilized the pendulum towards the middle.

Now the Federal authorities have seen that local politicians can and will totally vacate their responsibility to maintain law and order, a complete abrogation of their duty to citizens of their cities. This has been deemed unacceptable by just about everyone accept the looters and rioters, and those that tolerate their behavior for political expediency. This is being latched on to by some level of law enforcement, undoubtedly up the ladder from local and state level, to initiate a crack down.

As said, it would've been much better if the mayors had previously shown everyone, including the Fed gov't, that they weren't going to tolerate anarchy and destruction; then this might not be happening.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: HalWesten

Second, I also stated that I was going to hold my opinion until more facts were out. More facts are out, which I posted tonight. Specifically to dispel the rumor that these were all peaceful protesters

Which has no relevance to people being bagged by unidentifiable people without badges or insignia and taken away in unmarked cars, without being properly "arrested" or mirandized.

Try again.

So who were the still unidentified people? Do you know?

I don't. Which is part of the problem. And which I addressed in my first post. Fed, contractor, or acting militia, it's unlawful and unconstitutional to bag people without charge. That's the #n concern.

Try again? Come on. Ignoring my statement that I don't agree with the way that happened, even though there has been ZERO evidence that anything wrong was done, is simply not proving your point. Without any proof of wrongdoing you are just spinning your wheels. All you're doing is repeating that wrong has been done and you just don't know. It's your opinion. Period. End of story.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: HalWesten

Second, I also stated that I was going to hold my opinion until more facts were out. More facts are out, which I posted tonight. Specifically to dispel the rumor that these were all peaceful protesters

Which has no relevance to people being bagged by unidentifiable people without badges or insignia and taken away in unmarked cars, without being properly "arrested" or mirandized.

Try again.

So who were the still unidentified people? Do you know?

I don't. Which is part of the problem. And which I addressed in my first post. Fed, contractor, or acting militia, it's unlawful and unconstitutional to bag people without charge. That's the #n concern.

Ok. That's a valid concern but you have to have PROOF that something was done unlawfully and unconstitutionally. You don't or you would have posted it. So it's neither unlawful nor unconstitutional just because you say so. Do us all a favor and show us proof like you always demand from the rest of us.

a reply to: frogs453

Was it also noted that special operations forces in the military routinely work without any nametapes and don’t tell anybody their actual names?

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: projectvxn

The article stated this has occurred on nights with no violence or tear gas. So it's still considered a riot?

Let me let you in on how his works:

During the riots, law enforcement is taking pictures, recording video, and essentially "tagging" people. When it is safe to do so, the rioters get black bagged and taken in. Some get charged others don't.

Anyways, if true, maybe the dumb # shouldn’t be walking around at 2:00 in the morning, dressed in black, while an ongoing riot has been raging for over a month. Use some common eff’n sense people.

I have ZERO sympathy for any of these whining sniveling bitch’s. Screw their rights.

So what you are saying is that MY right to be “walking around at 2:00 in the morning”, or whatever time of the day I choose, while wearing whatever I damn well choose to wear (as long as I am “decent” under the law) is now to be dictated by the actions of people unrelated to me and who I may neither know, nor agree with?

And because MY rights are thus proscribed, I should willingly submit to ANY person or persons assaulting me on the street, even if it appears that they intend to kidnap me,

Even if/when they fail to identify themselves as law enforcement?!?

Talk about “Sheeple”!

You know, they’re your rights you seem to want to screw!

LOL most if not all of these complete azzhats are pro-anarchy anti-American anti-capitalism piss on the laws bunch, who ironically piss and moan like bitches about the law when they get detained cause the just started a fire were rioting or were defacing a federal building. Quit acting like the vast majority aren't screwing around starting crap for weeks. LOL start in a place that needs a revolution like Venezuela and watch you sorry azzes rights really be violated.

originally posted by: VariableConstant

originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: projectvxn

The article stated this has occurred on nights with no violence or tear gas. So it's still considered a riot?

Let me let you in on how his works:

During the riots, law enforcement is taking pictures, recording video, and essentially "tagging" people. When it is safe to do so, the rioters get black bagged and taken in. Some get charged others don't.

Screw their rights.

I don't care if it's a goddamn werewolf, rights are rights.

Wtf is happening here? Rights only apply to people that agree with you politically?

Really? You think you have a right or entitlement to infringe on other people’s rights, liberties and freedom? No, you have no right to do that.

Personally, if you infringe on my rights and freedoms, you can take what ever rights you think you might have and shove them where the sun don’t shine

originally posted by: Maverick1
These protests have been co-opted by anarchist and rioters.

The genuine protesters could denounce the violence if they so chose.

Until they do, well, run with dogs and you are gonna get a few fleas.


Zero shts given here. Bring the hammer down.

We can play that game though with every group then and paint them with a broadbrush.
All cops are evil because some are bad.
All rich are evil because many have been busted in illegal money making scams.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: Boadicea
It's ridiculous for anyone to paint all cops as good or bad.

Not really.

And this level of ignorance is why the US is considered...ignorant.

You have police unions protecting bad cops. Police unions that are representations of the WHOLE. That are voted on by the WHOLE.

As long as there is institutionalized protections for said bad cops, being ignored by good cops, you don't actually have good cops.

For the most part, unions have been driven to near extinction in this country by the rich assholes.
The police unions are among the biggest left in the country and are untouchable because they protect the rich assholes.

originally posted by: Psilocyborg
We're all about to lose our rights, the cowboys are okay with this Gestapo $#!+ only for the moment because they're flexing their military might on people they don't like and disagree with.

Which is perfect because those who are defending the crackdowns on protesters stand to lose more than the protesters do.

Divided we fall, and whether you agree with the protesters or not, we are all going down together, deservedly.

Ive said it before. It appears the cops are on the side of those against these protests.
But, it just appears that way. Mark my words, they will be cracking skulls in the near future regardless of what side you are on.
You can see it coming a mile away.

a reply to: Liquesence

I would have thought this a great opportunity for the hoo rah gun assholes we have hear to take up arms and fight against this.

Instead they want to cry about wearing masks and say how they would shoot people doing this or that.



cammo dudes snatching people up = no problem

a reply to: Granby

I was surprised by this also, which is why I referenced the old ATS. No one has wondered if Erik Prince is involved, no one is concerned that the memo noted that they will be throughout other areas in the U.S. Just crickets even though they may wake up one day and the armed get a haircut protest is met by tear gas, munitions and being snatched up even if peaceful as the agitators may be planted or escalated by law enforcement.

As many of us have already said........

DHS said that the video of one protester being bundled into an unmarked car came after Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents had information that the individual was suspected of assaulting agents or destroying property, and as a mob approached.

“Once CBP agents approached the suspect, a large and violent mob moved towards their location. For everyone’s safety, CBP agents quickly moved the suspect to a safer location for further questioning,” the statement said. "The CBP agents identified themselves and were wearing CBP insignia during the encounter. The names of the agents were not displayed due to recent doxing incidents against law enforcement personnel who serve and protect our country.”

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: jacobe001

All cops are evil because some are bad.

Naw, it's not that all cops are evil, it's that unions/system protects the bad ones, and due to this, little incentive for good ones to stick their neck out, and call out bad ones. It's interesting only incidents that get heat are those filmed. Obviously if not caught on film..swept under rug.

Sh#t needs to change.