China Warn's of a New Virus From Kazakhstan, 1700 People Dead so far

originally posted by: Smarties

The rise of China will undoubtedly be one of the great dramas of the twenty-first century. China's extraordinary economic growth and active diplomacy are already transforming East Asia, and future decades will see even greater increases in Chinese power and influence. But exactly how this drama will play out is an open question. Will China overthrow the existing order or become a part of it? And what, if anything, can the United States do to maintain its position as China rises?

Some observers believe that the American era is coming to an end, as the Western-oriented world order is replaced by one increasingly dominated by the East.

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And this is the problem here. If America's dominace is coming to and end, of course you will see a huge increase in BS fear mongering news about China. It's called fear of losing that position of world world superpower.

It's going to happen. Be it China or India. Empires always change.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

And this is the problem here. If America's dominace is coming to and end, of course you will see a huge increase in BS fear mongering news about China. It's called fear of losing that position of world world superpower.

It's going to happen. Be it China or India. Empires always change.

You keep droning on about "America's fear" and that isn't the point here. China has been cooking their own books for a long time and it is catching up to them. They been playing this 10% to 15% growth rate game starting in the early 1980s, but it started to slow down back in 2011 as they reached the point that they just could not fake it anymore. Since 2011 growth is basically less every year with no real reason to not stop going down, and this is even with massive stimulus packages, cheaper and cheaper debt to borrow against as they try to put lipstick on a pig now...

Lots is catching up to them...

Fast building with little quality/safety, so huge building don't last 10 years, really big buildings just collapsing etc. Killing fair Trade..New industries are not going into China... Think if the Three Gorges dam breaks...120 million are in the way...

Massive building to keep up with arbitrary growth percentages, and what paid for all that building?

Already indebted local governments were given broad access to the bond markets; state-controlled banks implemented a debt binge, with loans funneled to politically-favored SOEs, property firms, and local government infrastructure projects—which ballooned the size of Chinese banks past their American and Japanese peers; and, most importantly, China made all this new debt cheaper, which incentivized taking on even more debt, by easing monetary policy and slowing the RMB’s appreciation against the dollar.

How much is that debt?

As a result, debt surged. The Mckinsey Global Institute estimates the debt-to-GDP ratio in China rose from 158 percent in 2007 to 282 percent in 2014. In nominal terms, debt increased by over $20 trillion during this period, from $7 trillion to $28 trillion. This amounts to a quadrupling of Chinese debt in seven years, and a growth rate for debt that was twice the growth rate of nominal GDP

China is heading for a great depression if anything.

Much of this debt financed infrastructure and property development, as local governments felt pressure to meet arbitrary growth targets, and Chinese consumers continually parked their savings in real estate. Most is private-sector debt, or quasi-private debt issued by SOEs. As such, China’s corporate debt as a share of GDP is now over 160 percent, the highest in the world. Sitting at over $16 trillion, it is projected to reach $28 trillion by 2019, where it will make up 40 percent of corporate debt worldwide.

Dumping 10s of trillions in saving into these building projects/real estate stock that many sit empty today and many are not habitable anyways. Worthless real estate... That market is a huge chunk of China's growth, all their savings are in it, and 1 million buildings stand empty....

They are heading for massive inflation...

a reply to: Smarties Geeze whats funny is headlines from start of COVid,China closes communications from west,so who is telling the story? CIA?

a reply to: Xtrozero

You keep droning on about "America's fear" and that isn't the point here.

I mentioned it once, and only brought it up in response to a post.

The rest of the post answers absolutly none of my questions at all. But I want go state something first.

You said

New industries are not going into China

Can you post evidence of this?

As for the rest of your post, nothing you said prove a that China released this virus off on purpose. Absolutly nothing.

Experts are still saying that China will become the next superpower. When? Well, they have different opinions about that, but chances are it will happen.

And you think they will become the next superpower by releasing a virus thst cripples the economies they need to make them progress? What you are saying makes no sense at all.

Here is a question for you. China owns about $1.1 trillion in U.S. debt. Why would China destroy America's economy and lose that debt? I am just talking about America, I am not talking about other western countries and the debt they own.

It makes no sense at all.

originally posted by: The2Billies
Right now there are 550,000,000 people on the planet, that means 549,500,000 must die "to save the planet"

I think your math may be a bit off.

there are around 7.8 billion people, not 550 million.

550m is barely larger than the population of the US

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Smarties

Lets just do the apocalypse already.

That's what I'm saying. Thought I was woefully unprepared for it until this past Friday. My wife texted me while I was at work and asked what the hell I had ordered. I told her that i hadn't ordered anything.

She sent me a pic of 9 boxes delivered by FedEx, with my name on all the boxes. I told her to open one and see what was in them.

Turns out ReadyWise Foods had sent me 18 buckets of emergency food valued at $6,000. Of course they want it back haha. Not sure what my legal rights are since it was all addressed to me. I have never ordered from them, so I'm not sure where they got my name and address.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

Here is a question for you. China owns about $1.1 trillion in U.S. debt. Why would China destroy America's economy and lose that debt? I am just talking about America, I am not talking about other western countries and the debt they own.

It makes no sense at all.

Because you do not want to make any sense of it. China is 29 trillion in debt, with not a whole lot available to do to recover from it. If building was their biggest economy growth area and they have nothing to replace it as it fails in a spectacular way, the US economy is less than 5% in this same area. That 29 trillion was at the end of 2019, so what do you think it is now, or will be in 10 years...they will not make it ten years. I agree the US also has huge debt, BUT the US is in a better position with REAL economic growth to overcome that debt. Why do you think China wants Hong Kong under their boot now, why do they want Taiwan and most likely other countries too...They have lost their growth capabilities while still being buried deeper in debt to even make the US look small.

I have already suggested they are moving to an isolationist model, and will most likely look to gain growth in takeover and not business. In the end they are Communist who tried to play in the capitalist sandbox and it is not working.

Why release a virus? They are already in uncontrolled debt...maybe wipe the slate clean as they put the world in debt. They can also lose 50% of their population and not even blink, maybe see it as a good thing as much of the population is dependent on Goverment subsistence..win win for them as the world get hit too but truly takes a much bigger hit. The greatest mass killings in the history of the world were the Chinese on their own people at the start of their industrial revolution, and I can see them do it again...

Well it would have to be deadlier than COVID, would have to be zero to be lower.

Fifteen-year-old boy dies of the Black Death in Mongolia amid increasing fears of an outbreak

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Because you do not want to make any sense of it. China is 29 trillion in debt, with not a whole lot available to do to recover from it. 

Can you please post evidence that China has a 29 trillion DEBT?

I have already suggested they are moving to an isolationist model, and will most likely look to gain growth in takeover and not business. In the end they are Communist who tried to play in the capitalist sandbox and it is not working.

This is simply not true. They are still in line to become the next super power, so what you say, makes no sense.

Why release a virus? They are already in uncontrolled debt...maybe wipe the slate clean as they put the world in debt. 

Again, this is rubbish. Look at the list of countries debt compared to China. You think China's debt is more than China's? Do you know how much American debt China owes? I am thinking you do not.

The more a read your posts, the more it looks like you are looking for a get out clause for America.

You have repeatedlyignored my comments on how China releasing a virus makes absolutly no sense. You seem to be making up figures to somehow justify China doing this, even though most experts believe China will take over America before 2030, if China keep on going the way they are going.

Sorry, but to me, you sound like you are desperatly finding a way out for America.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777

Fifteen-year-old boy dies of the Black Death in Mongolia amid increasing fears of an outbreak

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Sorry, but do you have other links to the same story? Daily mail is the worst paper in the UK, and known for its lies and BS stories.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

Can you please post evidence that China has a 29 trillion DEBT?

Read read this again... They are not the same thing as what you posted...

Much of this debt financed infrastructure and property development, as local governments felt pressure to meet arbitrary growth targets, and Chinese consumers continually parked their savings in real estate. Most is private-sector debt, or quasi-private debt issued by SOEs. As such, China’s corporate debt as a share of GDP is now over 160 percent, the highest in the world. Sitting at over $16 trillion, it is projected to reach $28 trillion by 2019, where it will make up 40 percent of corporate debt worldwide.

This is simply not true. They are still in line to become the next super power, so what you say, makes no sense.

Lol OK... you win...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Jay-morris

Can you please post evidence that China has a 29 trillion DEBT?

Read read this again... They are not the same thing as what you posted...

Much of this debt financed infrastructure and property development, as local governments felt pressure to meet arbitrary growth targets, and Chinese consumers continually parked their savings in real estate. Most is private-sector debt, or quasi-private debt issued by SOEs. As such, China’s corporate debt as a share of GDP is now over 160 percent, the highest in the world. Sitting at over $16 trillion, it is projected to reach $28 trillion by 2019, where it will make up 40 percent of corporate debt worldwide.

This is simply not true. They are still in line to become the next super power, so what you say, makes no sense.

Lol OK... you win...

You said China's debt was 29 trillion. I asked you to post evidence of thst, which you have not. A lot of experts are saying China could overtake America by 2030. That might not happen, but shows that China are not going anywhere.

And you still did not address with any logic why China would release a virus to the world. It's wishful thinking on your part, that's all.

However, the statement said that the classification of "unspecified" was used for cases of COVID-19 that had been diagnosed based on symptoms but not confirmed with laboratory testing.

This is such a bizarre statement. How can you diagnose based on symptoms rather than testing.

What world are we living in where you base diagnoses on symptoms rather than evidence of testing for viruses/bacteria/locality?

Confuzzled!##

well, at least they stay dead

a reply to: Jay-morris

Well interestingly most of our $26,000,000,000,000 debt is Intragovernmental Debt and only about 4% is actual debt to china. The rest of the debt is spread through various agencies, banks, federal reserve, ect.

www.thebalance.com...

There are various experts that say china is on the brink of implosion as well, also vice versa. One simply has to do a google search. I personally see their current reputation as being one contributing factor to curb their huge growth going forward. These trade tariffs that the US slapped on them is waking the world up to their unfair trade agreements with which we will see the repercussions within the next few years. On top of that there seems to be a huge backlash from the world towards the CCP and their draconian methods towards their own people and public display of HUBRIS that is pissing off every country from the US, Europe, Australia, India and various other countries in their own region.
Wether COVID-19 came from china or not is irrelevant in so much as the world already blames the CCP for its actions and possible creation of it in a Wuhan Lab. This alone has possibly brought a huge damper with its economic growth going forward.

Interestingly the US is trying to use India as a way of curbing china's growth. It thinks if it can stimulate India it can curb China to an extent. Also interestingly we are seeing India beginning to tip its side with the US over china moving forward. It started banning apps from china and may consider banning Huawei and ZTE. It doesn't help China with the recent tensions it has had with India in the Galwan Valley where both sides saw clashes between troops.

Let us not forget some countries are beginning to pull their companies out of china. US and Japan are leading the way. This will definitely follow suit with other countries like Australia who would do well to lessen its dependence on China.
At this rate their own draconian methods, arrogance towards the world, shady trade agreements, Growing Debt,
Demographics, COVID-19 Debacle and surprisingly a water problem is going to cause them a lot of problems going forward.

www.ft.com...

I think we can somewhat safely say china didn't purposely create the coronavirus to SPECIFICALLY wreck havoc on the world as many are led to believe. It wouldn't work in their favor as now much of the world is beginning to see China in a tremendous negative lime light. It would be UNIMAGINABLE social suicide for them to go through with that proposition.
It would hurt them at every level and we can already see that happening.

A much better conspiracy if their was one of the COVID-19 pandemic would be it being a creation of the west to tame the dragon of the east...

a reply to: Key2life

This is my point. It's ridiculous to think that China released this virus on purpose, but here lies the problem. Prople want to believe that. Prople want go believe every BS story that we are seeing about China.

A few years ago, it was BS stories about Russia to warp people's minds, and no it's China turn to get the treatment. I have just come a thread where people are actually excited about a war with China. Who mskes people think lime this? The government's.

And you know the most annoying thing? We are conditioned to not think about the terrible stuff our own government has done, and is still doing, yet point fingers at other countries, the countries our governments what us to point fingers at.

We are so easily led and conditioned by patrioism, that governments can pretty much get away with what they want.

As for China overtaking America. Just like on this board, it depends on who you speak to and where your aliences lie. It's always been that way. But people are desperate for China to fail, desperate for a war with China, desperate for all the bs stories about China to be true. Desperate to believe that chinese people eat babies!

And the same BS propaganda will be happening in China. It's called blind patrioism, and it will be the death us us all.

China is smarter and more dangerous then people think.

It's a test

They unleashed the Corona virus onto the world and its racist to say it came from China.

There will be no outrage towards china or talks of retaliation.

That is how much control they have in this social experiment.

Imagine unleashing a virus that killed people in every country and if trump calls it the Chinese virus.
Anger is pointed towards trump and no one will question China.


And China is laughing their bits off.

People better patriot up and smarten up.

America is about to collapse

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Key2life

This is my point. It's ridiculous to think that China released this virus on purpose, but here lies the problem. Prople want to believe that. Prople want go believe every BS story that we are seeing about China.

A few years ago, it was BS stories about Russia to warp people's minds, and no it's China turn to get the treatment. I have just come a thread where people are actually excited about a war with China. Who mskes people think lime this? The government's.

And you know the most annoying thing? We are conditioned to not think about the terrible stuff our own government has done, and is still doing, yet point fingers at other countries, the countries our governments what us to point fingers at.

We are so easily led and conditioned by patrioism, that governments can pretty much get away with what they want.

As for China overtaking America. Just like on this board, it depends on who you speak to and where your aliences lie. It's always been that way. But people are desperate for China to fail, desperate for a war with China, desperate for all the bs stories about China to be true. Desperate to believe that chinese people eat babies!

And the same BS propaganda will be happening in China. It's called blind patrioism, and it will be the death us us all.

Where do you see calling for war with China.

Because 95% of the media and the websites i frequent have said its racist to say it's a Chinese virus.

There is literally zero anger toward china and more anger when. Trump said Chinese virus

Which is unnatural.

Because normal people get upset at others who have unleashed a deadly virus onto the world.
Not sit back and bend over

a reply to: Bloodworth

Where do you see calling for war with China.

Because 95% of the media and the websites i frequent have said its racist to say it's a Chinese virus.

There is literally zero anger toward china and more anger when. Trump said Chinese virus

Which is unnatural.

Because normal people get upset at others who have unleashed a deadly virus onto the world.
Not sit back and bend over

Trump only calls it the China Virus to p#ss off China, that's all. Of course, he followers will start saying the same thing.

How many people do you know call HIV the African virus? Bet you do not even know Oh he person who calls it that.

Trump now calls it the Chinese plague. Again, he does this just to p#ss China off. Most intelligent people know it's not a plague.