The 4th industrial revolution A Disturbing Glimpse Into The Future: Bill Gates, Elon Musk

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: seethetruth

Sure, at the end of the day, its my fault not being a telepath and read one's opinion...

I think I asked a simple question from which I only got circular answers to finally get told that it's just me not understanding.

Well, I thought it was pretty obvious from my first post that I didn't understand your opinion, hence the reason I asked the question.

what is and isn't nature or natural is not my opinion its just a fact of life how are you not getting what is or isn't natural i think your just winding me up

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: seethetruth

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: seethetruth

Define "natural". The technology that is made by human comes from nature. Its made of matter, not some woo from another dimension, whatever it could means. The only thing that may not be from physical matter, but from which it is express from, is the logic in electrical component.

The pattern it follows is strictly from the mind, but it still takes electric pulses to actually express it to the machine. So really, I don't know what exactly is "unnatural" about technology? Care to develop on that?

i will give you a clue man made is not natural or nature

Not true

An anthill is nature. A beaver dam is nature. A bird nest is nature.

A city is nature.

Ants are natural, everything they produce is natural
Humans are natural, everything they produce is natural

If an alien species was to visit, our cities will be to them what anthills are to us

A natural product of a natural species. Built from the elements provided by the natural surroundings.

an ant hill is nature enough about nature and natural its irreverent to the whole point of the post which you seem to have missed

a reply to: seethetruth

Your opinion isn't a fact. Nature includes, "that which is extended" at least. There's no sufficient reasons to exclude any extended entity as "natural", hence, yet again, my question :

What exactly makes human fabrication or actions "unnatural"?

a reply to: seethetruth

So is a city

A city is nature

Just like a beehive

An anthill is constructed. Like a city. It does not simply ‘appear’, it is built using surrounding elements. Just like a city

Humans are nature, everything humans build is nature.

Man made does not equal ‘unnatural’

Sorry for continuing the thread drift but, humans are nature. Just like ants. We build things, those things are a natural product of Earths natural inhabitants

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: seethetruth

Your opinion isn't a fact. Nature includes, "that which is extended" at least. There's no sufficient reasons to exclude any extended entity as "natural", hence, yet again, my question :

What exactly makes human fabrication or actions "unnatural"?

Nothing

Humans are nature
Everything humans build is natural

Bees are nature
Everything bees build is natural

Same with beavers, ants, birds etc.

a reply to: seethetruth

Cant you see the irony in what you are saying here?

You're defending the same people you're opposing. And you're talking about consent and nature?
We're way past what nature intented, and if you believe in money you don't need consent.
Why do you think they call it FU money?
Get yourself some money and start practicing what you preach

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: seethetruth

Your opinion isn't a fact. Nature includes, "that which is extended" at least. There's no sufficient reasons to exclude any extended entity as "natural", hence, yet again, my question :

What exactly makes human fabrication or actions "unnatural"?

because its MAN MADE

a reply to: Breakthestreak

It IS revelant to the OP since this is a quote from it :

for me this is a definite no go i know a lot of people out there will embrace this as they dont seam to want to be a natural human how nature intended us to be

Now we should exclude some humans as "natural" because some people think technology is "unnatural"? And the argument fowarded for the reason behind the "unnatural" stance are as such:

nature and natural is my opinion its just you not understanding what they are

So, really, I have yet to see from the OP what is "unnatural" about human which he/she seems to fervently defend.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: seethetruth

So is a city

A city is nature

Just like a beehive

An anthill is constructed. Like a city. It does not simply ‘appear’, it is built using surrounding elements. Just like a city

Humans are nature, everything humans build is nature.

Man made does not equal ‘unnatural’

Sorry for continuing the thread drift but, humans are nature. Just like ants. We build things, those things are a natural product of Earths natural inhabitants

humans are not necessarily natural or nature im not replying to you two any more

originally posted by: Jubei42
a reply to: seethetruth

Cant you see the irony in what you are saying here?

You're defending the same people you're opposing. And you're talking about consent and nature?
We're way past what nature intented, and if you believe in money you don't need consent.
Why do you think they call it FU money?
Get yourself some money and start practicing what you preach

who am i defending ?

Humans are nature

Manmade is nature

a reply to: Jubei42

We're way past what nature intented

I weren't aware nature told us how it intended us to be. Did I miss the memo?

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: Breakthestreak

It IS revelant to the OP since this is a quote from it :

for me this is a definite no go i know a lot of people out there will embrace this as they dont seam to want to be a natural human how nature intended us to be

Now we should exclude some humans as "natural" because some people think technology is "unnatural"? And the argument fowarded for the reason behind the "unnatural" stance are as such:

you really didnt watch the video did you or you would be having this dumb argument about what is natural or nature

nature and natural is my opinion its just you not understanding what they are

So, really, I have yet to see from the OP what is "unnatural" about human which he/she seems to fervently defend.

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: Jubei42

We're way past what nature intented

I weren't aware nature told us how it intended us to be. Did I miss the memo?

you missed a lot

originally posted by: seethetruth

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: Breakthestreak

It IS revelant to the OP since this is a quote from it :

for me this is a definite no go i know a lot of people out there will embrace this as they dont seam to want to be a natural human how nature intended us to be

Now we should exclude some humans as "natural" because some people think technology is "unnatural"? And the argument fowarded for the reason behind the "unnatural" stance are as such:

you really didnt watch the video did you or you would be having this dumb argument about what is natural or nature

nature and natural is my opinion its just you not understanding what they are

So, really, I have yet to see from the OP what is "unnatural" about human which he/she seems to fervently defend.

i really dont think you watched the video or you wouldn't be having this dumb argument about nature or natural

a reply to: seethetruth

Now that's some awesome irony... You quote my post in one of yours, then you quote your own post saying you're having dumb argument. Priceless!

originally posted by: seethetruth


i really dont think you watched the video or you wouldn't be having this dumb argument about nature or natural

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: seethetruth

Now that's some awesome irony... You quote my post in one of yours, then you quote your own post saying you're having dumb argument. Priceless!

originally posted by: seethetruth


i really dont think you watched the video or you wouldn't be having this dumb argument about nature or natural

dont concentrate on the finger grasshopper, you can now troll another post feel free while you can

a reply to: seethetruth

Yeah sure, and then you accuse me of trolling. Yet, initially I wanted an honest debate, hence the question about your argument behind your OP's stance, which I never got. I'm still hoping to read it someday...

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: seethetruth

Yeah sure, and then you accuse me of trolling. Yet, initially I wanted an honest debate, hence the question about your argument behind your OP's stance, which I never got. I'm still hoping to read it someday...

you wanted a stupid debate about nature and natural and totally missed the point of the post ,
micro chips are man made so you think its totally natural to have them in your head

a reply to: seethetruth

Well, electronical chips mechanics are similar to some brains mechanics. Is it "natural"? Yes, because it follows the strict laws and logos of "nature". Is it a good idea is another aspect.

It isn't a "stupid debate" to discuss about what is "natural" and what isn't. You put it yourself in the OP for the matter.