When Covid Deaths hit Rock Botton and Cases Rise Then What

originally posted by: rickymouse
I also do not want to make others fear if I am not wearing a mask...fear causes all sorts of immune system malfunctions and I do not want others to be fearful because I am not wearing a mask or am too close to them.

I understand where you're coming from, but I have a major problem with this, though -- you're not their dad, it's NOT your job to make people feel better. How they feel is their own job to manage, not yours. Or mine, or anyone else's. If they want to worry themselves sick, then. let. them. It should be strongly pummeled into heads that doing so is self-sabotage and people need to be more responsible for not letting a fear win out, because all that does is bork the immune response.

Nobody learns, if nobody has the chance to screw themselves over. The bubble wrapping has to end.

originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
Really trying to understand the position now with deaths going down but with more testing, cases rising. At what point is this acknowledged that more cases do not equate to more deaths or even serious symptoms for that matter or none at all....meh.

Why even wear masks or social distance at that point. Might get a little sick, might not and the odds of dying in a car crash are 100X's higher.

What am I missing here because right now this is what is going on. The deaths went from a great height to damn near sea level.

Your missing that Trump is still president. It really is that simple.

originally posted by: mikell
When deaths get too low you re evaluate the past deaths and assign them COVID. Michigan gained 20 that way today.


upnorthlive.com...

It's an infuriating level of bulls# between the numbers and Governor Smug's underhanded law circumventing. Thank GOD there's a petition drive gearing up for a veto-proof abolition of that 1945 law she's oh so fond of defaulting to to avoid being vetoed, to strip that unilateral power from Governor Ego Brat. She'll have to rely on the other one she doesn't like, the one that says she has to actually get permission first from state politicians before she can do or decree something.

All the neighbors are in agreement -- we're all signing that puppy ASAP. NO single individual should ever have that kind of unilateral, unmitigated power over citizens, no one.

Any sources on that beyond anecdotal?

I've seen a few articles with a lot of maybe and possibly...nothing concrete ...a reply to: jtma508

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: rickymouse
I also do not want to make others fear if I am not wearing a mask...fear causes all sorts of immune system malfunctions and I do not want others to be fearful because I am not wearing a mask or am too close to them.

I understand where you're coming from, but I have a major problem with this, though -- you're not their dad, it's NOT your job to make people feel better. How they feel is their own job to manage, not yours. Or mine, or anyone else's. If they want to worry themselves sick, then. let. them. It should be strongly pummeled into heads that doing so is self-sabotage and people need to be more responsible for not letting a fear win out, because all that does is bork the immune response.

Nobody learns, if nobody has the chance to screw themselves over. The bubble wrapping has to end.

You should hear what I am hearing from people.
They are blaming the people at the beaches and in the gas stations for spreading disease when there is no evidence that the person even has covid. It is not a small number of people blame throwing and I do not like that kind of judgement by people. People will blame catching the covid on others in the store where they wear a mask but say that their trip for six hours at the Casino had nothing to do with them getting sick. People have beliefs based on their desires....they blame everything on people who share different beliefs.

Around here we have low covid numbers in the UP but that could change. The majority of the locals practice social distancing and wear masks in the stores, but the tourists coming from lower Michigan swarmed here because they can't do anything because the disease rate is high down state....they are a lot of the people in the bars, restaurants, and at the beaches...they cannot do that down in lower Michigan yet. So our numbers are going to go up now because the Yoopers are no longer in control. Five thousand cars crossed the mackinaw bridge in an hour last week. to spread the virus up here. upnorthlive.com...

originally posted by: SKEPTEK

originally posted by: HalWesten
a reply to: FlyinHeadlock

It's political and will stop after Nov. 3rd. Then it's everyone for themselves.

I'm afraid if Trump wins again, COVID hoax will last for 4 more years.

People need to start fighting back and standing up for their rights or this could last years.

The overarching goal of Covid-19 Fear Mongering is to have mostly vote-by-mail in certain "swing" states. Today, New Jersey and Delaware held their primaries. Every resident received a mail-in ballot. A few "select" polling places were open, but most ballots were mailed in.

With 1% of the vote counted, Biden is winning by a landslide. It will take many days before all the ballots are tallied.

Source: www.newsweek.com...

New Jersey and Delaware are not "swing" states, but the Dem leaders and their MSM lapdogs who want the November General Election to be mail-in ballots, will use those two states as "proof" that vote-by-mail works great!

a reply to: carewemust

"Its all politics, isn't it?"

Source: "How to ruin a country" by Moe, Larry and Curly Stooges et. al.

originally posted by: HalWesten
I don't see anything on the CDC website about that.

CDC
Scroll down to the last graph and look on the left side where you will see that Pneumonia and Influenza deaths are lumped in with covid-19. It also shows the epidemic threshold.

a reply to: CharlesT
Yes. This statement is incorrect:

Mortality attributed to COVID-19 decreased compared to last week and is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely increase as additional death certificates are processed.

But a little lower down it is correctly stated:

Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.

www.cdc.gov...



The breakdown is available here.
www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
a reply to: Gothar
people with mild to no symptoms by and large.

If that's the case then why are hospitals in TX and AZ in crisis mode? Very few ICU/CCU beds.

Most are not COVID related.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Most are not COVID related.

But more than 9,000 are. Were those hospitals in the same situation at this time last year?
covidtracking.com...

www.msn.com...

a reply to: Phage

I find it interesting that deaths are actually down from the averages of expected deaths for this time period in most states. New York at 200% of normal is the killing field.

Here in Alaska we are at only 88% of expected deaths even with Covid. That seems to me to imply that Covid has been statistically meaningless.

a reply to: Blaine91555

The CDC data is not current. But yes, not everywhere has the impact of COVID been the same. New York was in a very bad way.

Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks.

The description of "expected deaths."

Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019. Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death ( < 25% ), and then increases over time such that data are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred (8).

Trump let them die.

originally posted by: jtma508
Not that anyone here cares but there's more to the COVID thing than deaths. So far 250,000 people have been hospitalized incurring significant medical bills. And there are a range of post-recovery complications that are affecting people's health long-term.

These things happen with many other illnesses too, including the flu, which can cause neurological problems in some people. You don't hear that about the flu but you can BET you're hearing it about this.

Texas recorded 105 COVID deaths today. Beats the previous daily number which was set yesterday. Which beat the previous record by a long shot.
covidtracking.com...

No big deal. I guess. It will probably not get any higher. Maybe now it's bottomed out. But it seems deaths are rising. Along with new cases and hospitalizations.
Rio Grande Valley

Seems those "embers" McEnenay was talking about are burning hotter and hotter. That's surprising, but I'm sure it won't happen anywhere else.

Alabama.
www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: rickymouse
I also do not want to make others fear if I am not wearing a mask...fear causes all sorts of immune system malfunctions and I do not want others to be fearful because I am not wearing a mask or am too close to them.

I understand where you're coming from, but I have a major problem with this, though -- you're not their dad, it's NOT your job to make people feel better. How they feel is their own job to manage, not yours. Or mine, or anyone else's. If they want to worry themselves sick, then. let. them. It should be strongly pummeled into heads that doing so is self-sabotage and people need to be more responsible for not letting a fear win out, because all that does is bork the immune response.

Nobody learns, if nobody has the chance to screw themselves over. The bubble wrapping has to end.

Could not agree more. Especially because the science on cloth masks is THIN and in many studies, non-existent. Governments mandate them because OTHER governments are, and because it makes our leaders LOOK like they're doing something. They will do little if anything to prevent anything. They just instill more fear in everyone. And there is no accountability to those who mandate them for their lack of instruction. I feel SAD when I see someone sitting in a park on a sunny day, alone, with a mask on. I literally feel sorry for that person.

BTW, deaths are now on the rise in each state that has hit that guessed at time frame. First positive cases spike, then 2 weeks later hospitalization spikes, 1-2 weeks later deaths spike. 4-6 weeks ago had what, graduation parties and father's day and large scale re-opening of businesses. Just SAYING that it's over, a hoax or no worse then the flu doesn't make it so.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

oh le't not leave out THIS guy LARRY HOGAN REPUBLICAN leader of the protest group against the maryland lockdown...55 diabetic overweight history of strokes....no mask no distancing ...tested positive.....here is the kicker...he REFUSES to cooperate and REFUSES to tell them who he had close contact with......so basically he doesn't give a crap who he gave it to...yeah a REPUBLICAN

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: jtma508

originally posted by: FlyinHeadlock
a reply to: Gothar
people with mild to no symptoms by and large.

If that's the case then why are hospitals in TX and AZ in crisis mode? Very few ICU/CCU beds. Or are you saying the hospitals are lying and it's all made-up? And if that's the case, how do you explain the 180s the Governors of AZ & TX made? We're talking about two guys with their noses firmly between Trump's cheeks.

if we could have stopped all those protesters from spreading the Covid all around, this wouldn't be an issue, but since they did their dance, the country now has to pay the price. Or are you going to make some idiotic claim that BLM protests were immune from spreading covid?

The real reality is the virus is spreading and there is no cure. Each person reacts differently to the virus. People are frustrated and angry from fear, confusion, and high unemployment creating money troubles. It should be no shirt, no shoes, no mask, therefore no service. If people wear masks, wash hands, social distance less people get sick and die. My brother in law is a doctor and says this is very real and dangerous. We all know someone who has gotten sick, and it's different symptoms for each individual. Chaos is a result of people in denial acting stupidly. I suggest public restrooms be created differently to avoid disease spreading. Especially restrooms along highways.