Covid-19 is here to stay. People will have to adapt

a reply to: JBurns

Yeah. Large groups of people do not increase the risk of spread at all.

Political rallies? No problem.

a reply to: Phage

Sir, from the link.

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,” she said. “They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare.”

It wasn't a study. It is based on real world results

Its common sense, what other virus does most of its spreading asymptomatically? It isn't impossible, just rare. Most people infected by COVID will get it from a symptomatic carrier, not an asymptomatic one. The risk from that is massively overblown.

However, wearing a mask will still protect you from those individuals provided its an actual mask (N95, P100,etc) and not a sock.

a reply to: Phage

If the left is to be believed, what's the problem there?

Riots and protests don't spread it, right? So why would a political rally?

Clearly, its untennable. The only difference is one side didn't pretend it wasn't what it was. The rally attendees knew the score. They signed a waiver. They were briefed on the risks. They chose to go in spite of them.

a reply to: JBurns

It wasn't a study.

You said it was a from a study.

But I suppose you will ignore Kerkhove's clarification. Because confirmation bias.

a reply to: JBurns

Riots and protests don't spread it, right?

Did someone say that?

They signed a waiver. They were briefed on the risks. They chose to go in spite of them.

Cool. Trump's not responsible. For sure.
How about those they may infect afterwards? No problem. They can't sue Trump. Right? Trump's big on lawsuits and stuff.

a reply to: Phage

I then corrected that, so I'm not sure what the issue is.

But I suppose you will ignore Kerkhove's clarification. Because confirmation bias.

I saw it. Which didn't refute the initial statement so I'm still not sure of your point here.

Again common sense AND real world data indicates asymptomatic carriers are rare. Making a big fuss over this will not have a sizeable impact on cases, which is way the measures taken to date have failed to eliminate the virus.

a reply to: Phage

Yes, plenty of LWNJ's said the riots and protests alike didn't spread the virus. There wasn't a word criticizing them either (unlike the rally and anti-closure activists)

Cool. Trump's not responsible. For sure.
How about those they may infect afterwards? No problem. It wasn't Trump. Right?

Of course he isn't. Its called informed consent. Your risk to take. If you get infected and someone chooses to go around you, their risk to take.

If anybody is to blame its china, both the CCP and culturally.

a reply to: JBurns

Again common sense AND real world data indicates asymptomatic carriers are rare.

I disagree. But you said that wearing a mask is a good idea and that you do so. Are you symptomatic?

Making a big fuss over this will not have a sizeable impact on cases, which is way the measures taken to date have failed to eliminate the virus.

That was never the intent.

a reply to: JBurns

Yes, plenty of LWNJ's said the riots and protests alike didn't spread the virus.

Source(s)?

a reply to: JBurns

If you get infected and someone chooses to go around you, their risk to take.

How do they know if you are infected?

a reply to: Phage

Not symptomatic at all. But others may be. Wearing a mask protects me from them, since my mask is N95 rated and properly fits and passed the aspartame in a hood test.

Also on the off chance I am sick and don't know it, this will have the side effect of preventing that less likely vector.

Largely, it doesn't hurt or diminish me in any way to wear it.

That was never the intent.

It is the intent of some, to be certain. Some seem to laser focus on it for reasons I can't quite grasp

It's like trying to prevent drowning by carrying a life preserver with you only 10% of the time. Why the laser focus on masks and not hand washing, face touching, etc which are far more likely to be vectors of infection. It's a bit like trying to prevent drownings by mandating life preservers but only one day of the week. It might help (or might not) but there are bigger fish to fry

a reply to: Phage

I'm not going to waste my entire night going round and round over irrelevant points here.

If you have a point to make, make it.

Again, by your logic China holds the blame here so lets focus on punishing them severely. There's already another bug coming out of that "place"

Common enemy = greater cooperation among Americans. Instead of left vs right bickering over insignificant and petty things like wearing masks. Turn this into 9/11 instead of communism vs. republicanism and you'll get your widespread compliance with a smile.

a reply to: JBurns

Wearing a mask protects me from them, since my mask is N95 rated and properly fits and passed the aspartame in a hood test.

Do you also wear gloves, face shield and a gown? Aspartame is an artificial sweetener, what are you talking about?

It is the intent of some, to be certain.

Source(s)?

a reply to: Phage

Missed your opportunity to get to the point. Have a good night!

a reply to: JBurns

Sure.

See ya.

a reply to: Phage

Regarding our respiratory system, I'm not talking about viral load, I'm talking about carbon dioxide load for the system.

One of the first steps in emergency aid is clear the airway, to make sure the person is breathing properly.

Blocking the airway with the mask is certainly minimal, but it is blockage to some degree.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DanDanDat

The more people who go masked in public, the lower the probability of spread.

Politics be damned. The virus don't care about politics.

The virus is highly over rated. The Grand Bogey Man of the early 21st century.

a reply to: Salander

This is what you said:

If you cannot unload the virus in your body when you exhale, you are increasing your viral load.

And I replied.



How much CO2 do you reckon a mask holds? Do you think it can't pass through the mask? Do you think oxygen can't pass through the mask? A mask does not block my airways.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: DanDanDat

The more people who go masked in public, the lower the probability of spread.

Politics be damned. The virus don't care about politics.

The virus is highly over rated. The Grand Bogey Man of the early 21st century.

^This statement, exactly

So grossly overrated and the doom-porn crowd is eating it up and spewing it right back out.

Anyone here actually know someone that's died from this? Outside of nursing homes and other places where people are immunocompromised (ie: vulnerable to infection, sudden death, etc) or among those that are not generally unhealthy...

Wonder if the dem governors (Whitmer, Cuomo, etc) packed them into nursing homes with that knowledge simply to inflate the numbers dead to score a couple make believe political points?

originally posted by: panoz77
You want to know another scary fact? Well, not scary to me, but really scary to some, scary enough to sign up for something even worse than the "Patriot Act". Everyone will likely get it at some point, mask or no mask. Nobody who leaves their house can possibly practice enough PPE and hygiene to avoid it. Just look at the imbeciles who wear masks on their mouth but don't cover their nose, or vice versa or touch and adjust their mask like every 2 minutes. Touch any cash money lately? How about any coins? Masks are just your blanky and pacifier.

Please share your sources for this 'factual' information.