Pistol Shopping

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
Oh for home defense, I must not have read thoroughly. If I was just going for home defense I would get a full frame .45 (if not worried about collateral damage in other rooms), a Remi 500, or a PCC like an AR9, Ruger PC9, or Keltec Sub 2000. 9mm in hollow point has less chance of collateral damage than a lot of other rounds.

Have not used a Canik or Stoeger but they look like affordable full frame 9's based on a good design from the Israeli military.

Just a FYI, 9mm has better penetration than a 45, 45’s a slower bullet and does not penetrate walls, glass, doors, etc as a 9mm will. This is one of the main reason the military eventually changed over from the 45 to the 9mm. It was better in combat situations that required shooting through objects to hit their target. The newer modern 9mm rounds are bad ass and not the same 9mm round they dumped back in the day in favor of the 40. There’s much about the topic on the net.

I agree with you on the 45 for home defense, though. My number one (pistol) choice for HD would be a 45 with modern HP’s but a good tactical short barrel semi-auto shotgun would be my first choice out of any gun.

This is my "wife's" .45 Carbine



Not just another monkey gun....



Seriously, dirt cheap and works perfectly.

www.hi-pointfirearms.com...

I actually wanted the pink camo, but it was n/a

An often over looked Pistol is the

Steyr A2 MF
www.steyr-arms.com...

Its a shame this pistol does not get more attention it has an excellent trigger and the over all design makes the pistol very comfortable to shoot , i.e the shape dampens the felt recoil.

Another is the IWI Jericho 9mm , its a very very reliable pistol .

Just a tip dont get caught up with debating calibers , a 9mm is the best first pistol to go with.

a reply to: KnoxMSP
Thanks much.
Agree with the 9mm

a reply to: FlyingFox

Man, I want one for just a cheap, throw in the dirt, carbine!

I am building a new AR9 with a friend who builds guns for an AR parts manufacturer. All the upgraded parts, coated and everything. It should be a sweet home defense rig. Will be my first time assembling one from parts. I am excited.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

I actually traded my busted K2/AR-100 for it.

I was thinking, delete the stock and iron sights for a HD weapon. Add a lazer for special occasions.

Glock 19x or g45 - if you have small hands and no one else shoots it g19 - have the back strap removed, 3.5 ghost trigger connector, XS tritium sights - 147gr +p Speer Gold Dot and a trex arms holster to match your style.

The 19x is my favorite overall, I like the fact it protects the magazine base from accidental removal during movement.

I havent been into red dots much but apparently the SRO is the cats behind.

All of the other buy anything but a Glock 19 or version thereoff because #cooler is hella lame.

www.ballisticmag.com...

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
a reply to: FlyingFox

Man, I want one for just a cheap, throw in the dirt, carbine!

I am building a new AR9 with a friend who builds guns for an AR parts manufacturer. All the upgraded parts, coated and everything. It should be a sweet home defense rig. Will be my first time assembling one from parts. I am excited.

r/lame

A whole bunch of people have survived 20+ rounds of 9mm at close range and kept going.

There is a quote I like to use about pssy caliber carbines "perfect practice makes perfect"

Every dollar you spend on underkill could have been spent on overkill.

A 120 pound deer shot in the heart with a 9mm at 50 yards will still travel 30-50 yards before it dies - you are shooting something twice as big thats trying to kill you - you dont have 30-50 yards of time even if you manage to shoot someone in the heart.

I'm using a 14.5 pinned ar style rifle with 50gr fiochi extrema for HD and if I am lucky 3 shots will stop a villain. Which is why I am gearing up for a 308 rifle, bullets travel and it's better to shoot 2-3x instead of 20-30

Remember you are in fear for your life, stopping to consider over penetration and other variables in nonsense - obviously dont shoot in the direction of your children, everyone else can go with god.

The only thing that will kill 9x out of 10 is a rifle round in the T-Zone - thats why SOF's train to do the Mozambique drill - 2 shots to the body to disable - 1x shot to the head to kill.

Now those cocky mofos are double tapping 77gr 223 rounds to the the head first if they can, which is smart.

But that comes with training thats probably 1 million plus rounds of training over a career and they are using the best rifles with the best parts to keep it on target, along with the best techniques and they are often far closer to an enemy than I would ever want to be, and have 3 guys behind them.


As far as 9mm vs 45 - 9mm is better everywhere except when its cold and people are wearing heavy clothing, then 45. Thats not my oppinion thats the opinion of the most well versed expert on that subject Masad Ayoob

www.personaldefenseworld.com...

a reply to: circuitsports

I have children's bedroom's adjacent to mine. I can't go to the bigger stuff. Too much penetration with .308, blackout, 223/556, etc. I need short barrel for in the house stuff. I have other rifles with longer barrels for long distance.

Never make a decision based on threads like these. They tend to be full of people with bias based on either experience with only 1 or 2 of the guns, or who no experience at all. You usually end up with pissing contests about make, calibres etc, despite the fact that most quality brand guns work, and that the difference in real world effectiveness between 9mm, .40 and .45 are negligible.

All of the guns you mention in the OP are solid choices for personal defence. Best thing you could do is get your hands on them and test fire if you can.

Happy shooting!

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
a reply to: circuitsports

I have children's bedroom's adjacent to mine. I can't go to the bigger stuff. Too much penetration with .308, blackout, 223/556, etc. I need short barrel for in the house stuff. I have other rifles with longer barrels for long distance.

The smallest bullet you can get will go through drywall and kill - never shoot in the direction of your child unless you have no other choice and you will want the most stable platform for doing so, a rifle. You'll also want a rifle if you have to shoot someone, through something or at any distance. Move to secure your child or back against there room and shoot anyone approaching, if someone is in there room or that room is between you move to block the threat before you fire any shots.

originally posted by: PaddyInf
Never make a decision based on threads like these. They tend to be full of people with bias based on either experience with only 1 or 2 of the guns, or who no experience at all. You usually end up with pissing contests about make, calibres etc, despite the fact that most quality brand guns work, and that the difference in real world effectiveness between 9mm, .40 and .45 are negligible.

All of the guns you mention in the OP are solid choices for personal defence. Best thing you could do is get your hands on them and test fire if you can.

Happy shooting!

OK UK - threads like this are also full of people with alot of experience - recoil management, barrier penetration and wound characteristics are much different for all 3 rounds, not to mention brands and types inside those.

Ive seen 50gr 9mm that absolutely destroys ballistics gell, but what if they are hiding behind a door?

Rifle is always the right answer -- aka primary weapon - Hydrostatic shock is a real thing. If you are meticulous in your training and know every possible outcome, a shotgun with buckshot could be a better option, until the threat steps outside and for whatever reason is still a threat.

It's your house, if you cant plan to use an effective weapon in the place where you live, train more. An 11.5 SBR might be the best option, but you need the recoil management and control of a stock. I usually change my stock from position 5 to position 2 just because its easier to muzzle strike and you may have to in order to create distance and opportunity.

a reply to: circuitsports

There are sometimes a few people with knowledge, but there are a lot more who base their advice on little or no experience. An inexperienced person asking for advice may not be able to sift the detritus from the good info.

Go to a gun store and hold each gun. Everyone is different. Hand size etc.

One thing I will say is 9mm tends to be easier to put multiple shots on target. 40 is a little snappy. With that being said, there is a huge shortage of 9mm ammo right now. Whenever I go to the gun store, little if any 9mm, tons of 40. That could be something to consider.

a reply to: HUSARIA

Really? Must be nice. Where I'm at there isn't really any small caliber ammo. Not for pistol or for rifle. I mean I know of one place, but it's damn near in the boonies and I ain't telling anyone about it.

Surprisingly though there's plenty of shotgun ammo. I tell you man, people are sleeping on the shotgun. Pure insanity.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Glock 17 Gen 9mm Luger 13 round mag 650

This one. Thousands of police cant be wrong. Reliable, accurate, light.

a reply to: Degradation33

It couldn't possibly be because Glock offers huge discounts to police departments.

Yeah they are definitely sleeping on the shotgun. I really like the Remington 870 side folder.

So?

What did you end up buying?

I have both a S&W 9mm and a Glock 19.

Both are fine weapons. I shoot with both frequently. I actually like the "feel" of the S&W more than the Glock, but they both shoot true, and neither has ever jammed on me. And I've fired 1000's of rounds with each.

Use it. Get comfortable using it.

Because when you need it, if you're not comfortable using it, you're screwed - it's too late.

Truth.

Stay safe!

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
I have an ex LA cop as a neighbor and he carries the MP shield.
I prefer my Kimber 1911, but as things develop I want to throw as much lead downfield as possible I now carry a glock 19X
I can suggest a YouTube channel to help your quest John Lovell at warrior poet society. They are selling
The shadow systems mr 920.
If you’re looking for self defense this channel is great.
But you should probably let us know what you’re shopping for. Match? Target? Self defense?