I'm afraid we won't be able to shut down even if it gets bad.

The Cultural Perception has changed this last month.


The whole nation seeing thousands, possibly millions on tv the last several weeks in the black lives matter protests has taught people that social distancing is over.

Governors who were once pro shut down have taken photos with black lives matter protestors, marched with them, and enabled them. In doing that and not discouraging the black lives matter protests, they will never be taken seriously by the public if they try and shut down the state or impose harsher lockdowns again.

Here in Michigan, Governor Whitmer once tried to have a single barber arrested. She once asked Pence to discourage the shutdown protests because they were spreading the infection. If she flip flops or demands harsher lockdowns once again, no one will listen to her. They'll see her and these other governors as hypocrites.

Anyone else worried it may get bad, and there will be no way to curb it?

a reply to: Michigan72

I am more concerned about the shadow elite and it's useful idiots creating and environment based on violence to overthrow our system of laws than a virus that has been proven to be not as dangerous as the talking heads on the idiot box and corrupt government officials claiming we will all die if we don't listen to them.

But that's just me. If you want to live in fear while watching those telling you to do so, do the opposite? Who am I to stop you?

'Just the tip,
If you don't like it, I'll take it out.'

a reply to: Michigan72

They didn't stop the armed protesters fighting for their right to get a haircut either. Back then everyone on here was like, "evil governor wants to stop constitutional right to protest." Then people protest being killed by cops and everyone on here is all, "break up their protest, they're spreading germs we dont think are real!" No wonder this place is destined for the graveyard.

Well.. According to the data, things were trucking along pretty normal for months and months and months. That is until we decided to try to "curb it" through lockdowns, massive barrages of fear porn, putting patients in nursing homes, etc. Then we see a spike in excess death.

So, might not be the worst thing to like.. not do that again. And instead, actually work on educating people on getting healthy in general, particular focus on the myriad of effective things we can do during "flu" season, and reforming industries that have kept us sick for decades.

Until the "experts" actually make an effort to improve public health (lots is even super easy and low effort, and would make more of a difference than any mask or lockdown), Im just gonna assume they are more concerned with their own agendas which probably arent in our best interest.

You seem concerned that the state and city leaders that support the protests have shown the people that the virus is not that big of a problem.

Please take up your concerns with those state and city leaders, they have made the problem and now can't fix it if they wanted to.

Sorry, but anytime you have health officials telling us that protesting for racial justice is a more pressing concern than the virus in a widely circulated open letter, it does tend to undermine your credibility when you then try to tell us that we should all be terribly, terribly concerned about dropping dead if we dare go out in public without a mask just a week or so later.

a reply to: Michigan72

This is all an important subliminal program.

Accept our lies and obey.

a reply to: ketsuko

"The State" can not be trusted.

a reply to: ketsuko

The people who are participating in the protests are aware of the risks, so to them, it Is more important. I understand that.

What do you think about Trump holding rallies without a requirement of distancing or masks? You think maybe those people feel the same as the protesters even though they had to sign a release of responsibility?

Trump - right.
Protesters - wrong.

What a shocker.

originally posted by: Serdgiam


instead, actually work on educating people on getting healthy in general

Ummm...sooo...how does one change their...blood type...?

Asking...for a friend...





YouSir

a reply to: Michigan72

If during the Floyd funeral they had practiced the mask and social distancing maybe people could of taken it serious, but it just pissed people off that their loved ones could not have a funeral bncause of the lock downs.

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Serdgiam


instead, actually work on educating people on getting healthy in general

Ummm...sooo...how does one change their...blood type...?

Asking...for a friend...

YouSir

You need to change your blood type to be healthy and woke.

a reply to: YouSir

Blood type has long been suspected to play a role in immune response to pathogens.

Plenty of research out there.

Of course, there isnt a way to change blood type just as Vit D deficiency can be precipitated by various things out of our control. The whole notion of one-size-fits-all as a medical approach is flawed. See: reforming industries.

a reply to: Michigan72

I'm really unsure about the subtext of the OP.

I think it is necessary to plan for how to re-shut-down and see the many difficulties in this process. Here on the west coast the initial shut-down was handled fairly well. We, as we reopen, seeing the need to close down again as cases climb as a result. It can be handled by a number of different methods, some of which are already in place as a result of the staged reopenings.

Somehow I don't think the OP was speaking to re-shutting down actually so I want to address the implications of defying standing public health orders by gathering in large groups which we know is a major vector for this disease. From family birthday parties to protests most don't meets public health guidelines.

For me, it comes down to risk assesment and personal priorities.

Some may be willing to risk their health (and the health of others) for certain things but not for others and then there are those who do not consider risk whatsoever as long as they are not inconvenienced. There is a difference.

I for one will risk my life (and others) to vote but not for a birthday party or protest action.

I will take the measured risk to go to a doctors appointment as they (mine have) learned during their shutdown how to work in a good deal of safety for themselves and their patients. But I won't go to a theater or concert yet.

These are truly the questions that need to be asked and thought about and I commend the OP raising these whether intentional or not.

It's truly not a political issue - but a value issue.

a reply to: Michigan72

So the critters lied gosh darn it? And other people aren't putting your wants before their own? Who would thunk that would happen???

May I ask, since your false sense of security has now been shattered by the same dictatorial critters you once cheered, what exactly have YOU done during these last few months to nurture and strengthen and fortify your own body to fight the virus?

I'm trying to figure out how to break my Gran out of the old age home.

a reply to: FyreByrd

I think it is a political issue if your of one political stripe they will condemn and shame you be if your of an approved one hey its ok riot loot, tear down stuff, go to approve media funerals it's all good. Go to a political rally and your the spawn of Satan.

a reply to: FyreByrd

So you are going to risk it all for voting.

Kinda like going out to play fantasy football.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: YouSir

Blood type has long been suspected to play a role in immune response to pathogens.

Plenty of research out there.

Of course, there isnt a way to change blood type just as Vit D deficiency can be precipitated by various things out of our control. The whole notion of one-size-fits-all as a medical approach is flawed. See: reforming industries.

Ummm...I realize all that and my question was purely rhetorical...

The point I was trying to make...is that those with blood type A ...are already compromised...in both their immune deficiencies...and as you stated in another thread...are also subject to various syndromes...one such being hyperbilirubinemia...or Gilbert’s syndrome...which also causes sensitivities to most medications...elevated bilirubin (jaundice)...enlarged spleen and liver from illness and or trauma...(excruciatingly painful BTW)...sickle shaped or curved over red blood cells which die off at an accelerated rate above the norm...
Also asthma...and allergic responses to environmentals...etc...

It’s certainly no picnic...but we do the best we can to function on the normal side of the equation...then along comes this corona virus...

So...hence my question in answer to you stating that people just need to practice better overall health...

The answer...is that there are no answers...beyond the possible control of breeding among populations in order to weed out these hereditary conditions...

I suppose if humans actually followed Darwin’s evolution theory...then these things would eventually take care of themselves...and only the fittest would own the future...





YouSir