Yeshu ben Pandera the sorcerer

I have wondered for a long time why so many people report, demons and such go away if you say the name Jesus. The answer is simple: if you already have given your soul to the greatest master of the dark arts that ever lived, there's nothing left they could snatch from you.

The Platonistic philosopher Celsus, writing circa 150 to 200 CE, wrote a narrative describing a Jew who discounts the story of the Virgin Birth of Jesus.[116] Scholars have remarked on the parallels (adultery, father's name "Panthera", return from Egypt, magical powers) between Celsus' account and the Talmudic narratives.[110] In Celsus' account, the Jew says:

"... [Jesus] came from a Jewish village and from a poor country woman who earned her living by spinning. He says that she was driven out by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, as she was convicted of adultery. Then he says that after she had been driven out by her husband and while she was wandering about in a disgraceful way she secretly gave birth to Jesus. He states that because he [Jesus] was poor he hired himself out as a workman in Egypt, and there tried his hand at certain magical powers on which the Egyptians pride themselves; he returned full of conceit, because of these powers, and on account of them gave himself the title of God ... the mother of Jesus is described as having been turned out by the carpenter who was betrothed to her, as she had been convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Panthera."

Because what the churches say, does even after they "streamlined" it in the protestant movement not fit with the rituals they perform "blood from my blood, flesh from my flesh", it's getting more and more obvious who the "Great Deciver" really was, whose only purpose was to lead people away from the one and only "God".

As a sinful student who practiced magic and turned to idolatry

Passages in Sanhedrin 107b and Sotah 47a refer to an individual (Yeshu) that some scholars conclude is a reference to Jesus, regarded as the messiah of Christianity. In these passages, Jesus is described as a student of Joshua ben Perachiah (second half of the 2nd century BCE), and he (Jesus) was sent away for misinterpreting a word that in context should have been understood as referring to the Inn; he instead understood it to mean the innkeeper's wife (the same word can mean "inn" and "hostess").[95] His teacher said "Here is a nice inn", to which he replied "Her eyes are crooked", to which his teacher responded "Evil one! Is this what you are occupied in?" (Gazing at women was considered sinful.) [96] After several returns for forgiveness he mistook Perachiah's signal to wait a moment as a signal of final rejection, and so he turned to idolatry. Some passages that have been identified by scholars as mentioning Jesus, as the messiah of Christianity, in this context include:

Quite fascinating

“Yeshu”, which is an acronym for a curse: “yimakh shemo ve zikhro” which means, “May his name and memory be obliterated”

Jesus definitely just got more depth for me. It's quite sad he has to endure "being boiled in excrements" in the afterlife.
For the biggest magic success there ever was. That's just epic. Forget Crawley, right? Jesus is the King of Dark Magic.
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Before you start with your fuming rage: it might not all be about the Jesus in parts the timestamps don't match 100%, not that this would ever have stopped anyone from believing what's in the bible, but...
Take it as comfort blanky

Hmm interesting... Itd be nice to go back in time and get the full story

a reply to: blueman12

That's already been done, at least as a thought experiment.
see: Behold_the_Man_(novel)

I would say how it ends, but that would be too much of a spoiler.

a reply to: Peeple

Hmm
So you get some vague documents from some vague source unheard of and with few if any witnesses that account for it?
Really?

This reminds me of that Dan Brown book, he said he made the story up based on nothing, pure fiction and yet and still people believe it’s based on truth and go around on that journey.

I could quote a bible verse the Pharisees said, near exactly the same as you offered

originally posted by: Raggedyman

So you get some vague documents from some vague source unheard of ...

Lol if that's how you want to describe the talmud

originally posted by: Peeple
I have wondered for a long time why so many people report, demons and such go away if you say the name Jesus. The answer is simple: if you already have given your soul to the greatest master of the dark arts that ever lived, there's nothing left they could snatch from you.

Hmm, imo calling on the Lord, God willingly creates a sympathetic response. It works through vibration.

The effects vary, but I believe there is something to it. Most individuals aren't shy about asking for help when their lives are on the line.

a reply to: Peeple



I always wondered what the thieves stole the crown jewels maybe

a reply to: Peeple

In response to your first paragraph, I lean somewhat toward dffrntkndfnml's view, "Most individuals aren't shy about asking for help when their lives are on the line."

To add:

Humans are more substantial than demons, therefore having an advantage over them. Not everyone is aware of this. Calling on a name bolsters the human's confidence. That isn't a bad thing.

After years of sessions with Dr. Dai Mon, specialist in post-trauma counseling, ... maybe I'll just cut to the punchline:

Dr: "So in your view at the time, you thought of demons as immortal, super human, haters of humans, with god like powers to destroy. Is that an accurate statement?"

Protagonist: "Yes, that's pretty much the gist of it."

Dr: "But you summoned one anyway?"

Prot: "Yyyeess."

Dr: "Well what did you expect would happen?"

Prot: "...um....ah...well...you see...uh...you know..."

Dr: "I'm afraid our session is over for today. Same time next week?"

Note: This is an excerpt of a work of fiction which I'll probably never get around to publishing.

Darkness tends to divide.

The Jesus you describe isn't the one I have gotten to know. I confess, there were times I felt beyond disappointed with Life, truth is I just had to learn some difficult lessons. There are clues everywhere as to who he is, but learning second hand is no substitute for working on a more personal relationship. Hopefully, the picture the op entertains enters the rearview mirror as someone practices growing spiritually.

The spirit Christ embodies to me, is full of Light.

Imo Christ has been through it all, and understands each of us learn at different rates. It reminds me of the part in the scriptures where he asks the Father to forgive those, who know not what they do...

originally posted by: Peeple

originally posted by: Raggedyman

So you get some vague documents from some vague source unheard of ...

Lol if that's how you want to describe the talmud

I don’t think you really read your own link, it stated maybe, assumed, believed and was so vague it beggars belief.
Requalify my statement, you didn’t read your own link, it’s childish at best.
The Talmud didn’t say anything like you are suggesting, people assumed and read into what the Talmud said and your link states that in clear plain English

What a joke, seriously infantile

a reply to: Peeple

Some accounts say the biblical Mary was 12 years old and a kindly 60 year old man called Joseph took her in after a Roman soldier called Pantera had his way but they found a grave in Germany

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Raggedyman

The link is "Jesus in the Talmud" and I didn't write it. They're tiptoeing aroumd because people like you would march over and nuke Jerusalem. But that's what's in the Talmud.

And if you would look at it from my point of view it absolutely makes sense. But that would require some occult-ish basics.

I was always wondering why I had no troubles with Jesus but so many with his followers.
Now I know.

originally posted by: Peeple
I was always wondering why I had no troubles with Jesus but so many with his followers.
Now I know.

Could you please expand on that?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Raggedyman

The link is "Jesus in the Talmud" and I didn't write it. They're tiptoeing aroumd because people like you would march over and nuke Jerusalem. But that's what's in the Talmud.

And if you would look at it from my point of view it absolutely makes sense. But that would require some occult-ish basics.

I was always wondering why I had no troubles with Jesus but so many with his followers.
Now I know.

Oh calm down, no need to over react, nuke Jerusalem, oh dear me, what a silly thing to imply, nuke Jerusalem, yeah, with all my nukes in my backyard, with my 5 million man army

Jesus was a common Hebrew name and many Christ’s existed before Jesus. You have no clue what you are talking about, no concept outside of a little golden book comprehension of christianity.
You embarrass yourself

Seriously, as if you have a basic comprehension of the occult, you don’t understand basic Christianity and claim a depth in occult practices and knowledge, that’s ludicrous.

You believe what you want but pretending that a Wikipedia page gives you occult knowledge, cool, right on sis.
Wikipedia, magic source of all sources, quoting little golden books as a source next

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Jesus just always seemed like a cool dude, no god but for that time pretty progressive and open minded with a strong leaning towards equality and justice.

His followers are mysoginists, close minded, self-righteous and in all denominations often pedophiles.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I gave you the Wikipedia link because I can hardly show you all the books I read and the conversations and experiences I had.

Calm down indeed. I even said in the OP it doesn't have to be all the Jesus

Imo, Jesus was the master of his domain or kingdom, with reference to his 40 day an night venture into the wilderness and the three temptations. First one was fasting, and Satan told him to turn stone into bread. The next one I need some clarification, but it sounds like Satan tempting to commit suicide. Third, was ether a fascination or delusion of being a ruler or grandeur, which all three he passed with flying rainbows.

The story almost akin to Buddha and his encounter with Mara, and tested by the Demo Door with the help of little snake too.

Chaoskrampf or the snake bearer, the man who can slay the Dragon, but no, Jesus should go much further then that, he will tame the beast.

a reply to: Peeple

Thank you I was wondering, your op brought to mind the darkness of zealots and the way some twist belief systems into service to self.

Those lost souls will hopefully realize the folly of their actions before they expire. They won't know what hit them.

I believe that equal amounts of force applied equally on either side of a divide tend to result in a similar effect. In other words dualists blind themselves to the balance required to see clearly the reality of the way they express themselves. Taking apart what they don't know how to put together.

I love life, but know the frustration of dealing with those bull in a china shop believers. If I hadn't been that way, idk if I would have the patience I work on now. It ain't easy falling under Aries, lol.

Solomon was apparently a pretty good sorcerer, and I doubt that he was invoking the name of Jesus. Jesus called himself "greater than Solomon" when it came to controlling demons, but he was obviously not since demons likely got in his head and made him make really bad political decisions. For example, the Lazarus necromancy really turned a lot of his followers against him, and that eventually got him crucified.

So if you want better control of demons, use the Solomon method, not Jesus's take. Burning fish oil, pentagram ring, bota bag, all that stuff. But there will always be danger. Jesus wasn't stupid, but if you get just a little careless -- and start believing your own hype -- those things will get in your head, too.

originally posted by: Specimen88
Third, was ether a fascination or delusion of being a ruler or grandeur, which all three he passed with flying rainbows.

It could very easily be argued that Jesus failed to overcome this temptation, as he plainly expresses his desire for power and change at his hands (in this world and not the next), and does specific things to present himself as a political force -- such as allowing John the Baptist to be decapitated when he could have intervened (but then he wouldn't have taken over John's following, would he?). He tried very hard to make the Ezekiel prophecies happen.

I'm thinking Jesus got infected, and it eventually got him killed. The irony, I suppose is how Paul spun the story from defeat into victory by claiming resurrection. That's good PR work.