The IDs of the Parties involved in the 2007 Nimitz UFO Video Leak are Known!!!

originally posted by: Case74282
a reply to: mirageman

Nah man...Fravor is as credible as they come. If the man says he saw what he saw then he did.

The same David Fravor quoted here?

..Somebody got that footage, digitized it and put it into the public realm for a moment in 2007. That is a huge breach of security and that was not David Fravor who did that. He believes that whoever did that should be taken to jail ....

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Yet by some of the remarks here you'd think the opposite. That if you are only a third party involved in trying to acquire such material then you can do pretty much whatever you want.You are in no danger of going to jail whatsoever. Especially if it's only to do with UFOs. The best kept secret on the planet...apparently.

a reply to: mirageman

All this has been a very interesting read MM. Thanks for all the efforts you have put into all this. Certainly worthy of attention for all the reasons you have pointed out.

originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: Case74282
a reply to: mirageman

Nah man...Fravor is as credible as they come. If the man says he saw what he saw then he did.

The same David Fravor quoted here?

..Somebody got that footage, digitized it and put it into the public realm for a moment in 2007. That is a huge breach of security and that was not David Fravor who did that. He believes that whoever did that should be taken to jail ....

Fade to Black 2018

Yet by some of the remarks here you'd think the opposite. That if you are only a third party involved in trying to acquire such material then you can do pretty much whatever you want.You are in no danger of going to jail whatsoever. Especially if it's only to do with UFOs. The best kept secret on the planet...apparently.

Yes, the same David Fravor. The one who is a fighter pilot, not a LEO or a lawyer.

It's up to all involved to jugde for themselves is Fravor better at judging aerial contacts than legalities.

Fravor is THE most credible witness to go on the record in recent years- and his EWT is worth something....but it doesnt detract from the fact he has (with absolute confidence) stated he saw something none natural/something of none terrestrial origin.

Alpha personality types are prone to these absolutisms but the fact remains there is no "Big book of potential atmospheric phenomena" which can then be cross referenced against the "Big book of classified ISR/stealthy weapons delivery platforms" to provide such certainty.

When the object is white, 40 foot long and shaped like a missile- that tells you a lot.

Humans paint things white to minimise solar heating effects on liquid fuels and to aid in easy visual inspection of structural integrity.....what's ET's excuse?

Stealth, Optical Stealth, Plasma Actuators, Thrust vectoring, Advanced materials, Unmanned vehicles, AI Swarm, Machine learning, Force multiplication, next gen ECM are all real things with lots of money thrown at them.
There's a whole realm of other stuff such as Quantum Radar/Quantum Stealth/"Time based analysis"/ Direct Energy applications which are likely real -but are poorly understood in terms of existing real world capability.

I have no idea what you could do if you had 50 years of experience from Pye Wacket, LM MKV, method of edge waves, stand off cruise missiles, Palladium/Nemesis, Cormorant, Minotaur/Minions and lots of rapid design/fabrication experience on long loitering systems- but I bet it would be impressive if you'd never seen anything like it before.

a reply to: Case74282

Fravor is the most credible witness in UFOlogy history. He checks all the boxes. The haters of the world (OP and that computer programming guy Micky West) literally have no life experience other than sitting behind a keyboard all day.

You seem to be full of vitriol to attack me and drool about the expertise of one Mr Fravor. Just like another poster who got banned a while back. Who mistakenly also seemed obsessed with Mick West too.

You've already had posts removed here too. Hmmm....

You do know that this thread is not about David Fravor?

Other than using a few quotes he's made about investigations.

So why are you obsessing over the credibility of David Fravor

a reply to: Sublant

Like yourself. You obviously judged the legalities when you likened yourself to a sex offender.

This is very true. I have classified information from that leak, I've disseminated it on numerous platforms. No one from the government has come after me.

Sex offender Anthony "Carlos Danger" Wiener had classified info on his laptop. Nothing happened to him..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe you are merely being 'watched' for disseminating that information?

And as you've still not answered my question from back on page 3..

What is your 'plausible theory' on why the Pentagon states it cannot trace the leaker of the video but a handful of ufologists can?

originally posted by: Jukiodone
Fravor is THE most credible witness to go on the record in recent years- and his EWT is worth something....but it doesnt detract from the fact he has (with absolute confidence) stated he saw something none natural/something of none terrestrial origin.

Alpha personality types are prone to these absolutisms but the fact remains there is no "Big book of potential atmospheric phenomena" which can then be cross referenced against the "Big book of classified ISR/stealthy weapons delivery platforms" to provide such certainty.

When the object is white, 40 foot long and shaped like a missile- that tells you a lot.

Humans paint things white to minimise solar heating effects on liquid fuels and to aid in easy visual inspection of structural integrity.....what's ET's excuse?

Stealth, Optical Stealth, Plasma Actuators, Thrust vectoring, Advanced materials, Unmanned vehicles, AI Swarm, Machine learning, Force multiplication, next gen ECM are all real things with lots of money thrown at them.
There's a whole realm of other stuff such as Quantum Radar/Quantum Stealth/"Time based analysis"/ Direct Energy applications which are likely real -but are poorly understood in terms of existing real world capability.

I have no idea what you could do if you had 50 years of experience from Pye Wacket, LM MKV, method of edge waves, stand off cruise missiles, Palladium/Nemesis, Cormorant, Minotaur/Minions and lots of rapid design/fabrication experience on long loitering systems- but I bet it would be impressive if you'd never seen anything like it before.

This is absolute garbage...you fail to include the three other "alpha personalites" that also saw the tic-tac along with Fravor. Including the female pilot...I expected more rigorous logical analysis from you Juki..

originally posted by: mirageman

Yet by some of the remarks here you'd think the opposite. That if you are only a third party involved in trying to acquire such material then you can do pretty much whatever you want.You are in no danger of going to jail whatsoever. Especially if it's only to do with UFOs. The best kept secret on the planet...apparently.

I can only see one logical explanation for this conundrum. Rather than "acquiring" such material, it may be more accurate to say that it was being "retrieved", in the sense of being returned to its original resting place. If that job falls to trusted 'agents' within the UFO community who are in a greater position to sniff the material out like ferrets (whilst the authorities feign ignorance in the meantime), then obviously a 'Get Out Of Jail' card needed to be negotiated should the agents finally get their hands on it, as well as an understanding that said material would not be examined for personal reasons.

Obviously that's one mother of a conspiracy theory, but where better to air it than a conspiracy site in its dying days?

Whether any of this has anything whatsoever to do with UFOs/UAPs as we know and love 'em, is another question altogether.

Speaking of which, is it not unusual that throughout all ten episodes of the 2008 TV series 'Carrier' (which covered the USS Nimitz's exciting activities during 2005) that nobody, not a solitary soul, not even Dave "Sex" Fravor himself, bothered to mention the 'Tic Tac' incident from a few months earlier in Nov 2004? The FLIR video had already been in circulation for over a year by the time the series aired in April 2008.

Despite such provocative episode titles as 'Controlled Chaos', 'Super secrets' and 'True Believers', there was not a singular hint of other-worldly activity.

I suppose that must be because it's the best kept secret on the planet.

a reply to: Case74282

I'm not sure how many times I have to explain this to you.

This thread is not about David Fravor, being a fighter pilot, being a trained observer or watching American sports from an armchair. Nor any of the other things that you seem to believe are relevant to posting in this thread.

So I'll clarify again.

This thread is about the Pentagon claiming it was unable to trace the source of the leak of the FLIR video while a handful of ufologists actually have the names of the perpetrators.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Case74282

I'm not sure how many times I have to explain this to you.

You're wasting your time, MM. Most if not all of his/her (must be a He, surely) posts have been rendered unreadable due to a Manners Violation.

Although knowing Case74282's true identity could be an interesting revelation... and in keeping with the topic of this thread.

By the way, that was a joke, Case74282. If you're reading, and willing to reply without being abusive, are you in some way connected to that 2016 sighting...?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

....it may be more accurate to say that it was being "retrieved", in the sense of being returned to its original resting place. If that job falls to trusted 'agents' within the UFO community who are in a greater position to sniff the material out like ferrets (whilst the authorities feign ignorance in the meantime),

Ahhh not as crazy a theory as some would like to make out.

Nick Redfern has recently blogged on how certain UFO personalities have been watched closely by the security services down the decades.

....numerous, central players within the UFO arena had been watched closely by the world of officialdom, including infamous UFO “Contactees” George Adamski, George Hunt Williamson and George van Tassel ...Bill Moore, Stan Friedman and several other of the premier Roswell investigators; crashed UFO data-collector, Leonard Stringfield; and various early UFO research groups, including the National Investigations Committee for Aerial Phenomena (NICAP), and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO), to name just a few.

Without a doubt, the most controversial data contained within the book was provided to me by a retired employee of the British Police Force’s Special Branch who, within the pages of the book, I termed “The Sandman.” He asserted to me that while working for Special Branch in the mid-1970s, he was engaged in a secret operation to monitor certain members of the British UFO research community. The Sandman further maintained that after his retirement from Special Branch, and during the 1990s – the time period in which he ran a private security company that occasionally undertook clandestine work for British Intelligence – he was recruited into a Special Branch-led operation to carefully monitor some of the newer faces on the ufological scene...


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Is it not just as likely that if someone wanted to see who was disseminating potentially sensitive information that this surveillance would continue to this very day?

a reply to: mirageman

Is it not just as likely that if someone wanted to see who was disseminating potentially sensitive information that this surveillance would continue to this very day?

Yes.

a reply to: mirageman

There are also those who have security clearances, who ensnare others (either knowingly or unknowingly) in the course of their own personal fishing expeditions.
It's a fine line between asking questions and attempting to elicit classified information- and some ITK'ers have historically play it like a game.

Or what about org's using the UFO-logy community as a real world identity training tool?
Lots of famously secret identities operating online in small "intelligence cells"- just waiting to be "discovered".

Do they delete the data afterwards?

Care to point me to a single case of someone going to jail for leaked or published UFO/UAP information? Even one case. Ever.

a reply to: Sublant

You answer the questions first Subby.

What is your 'plausible theory' on why the Pentagon states it cannot trace the leaker of the video but a handful of ufologists can?

a reply to: mirageman

Well he's not rushing by to answer this one is he. Am all eye's.

originally posted by: mirageman

What is your 'plausible theory' on why the Pentagon states it cannot trace the leaker of the video but a handful of ufologists can?

Can they?
Sure, they know the identity of TFT. But that does not mean they know the identity of the original leaker. Nor do they know who put the file on a German server or who put the file on Youtube (Isaak claims he has Cometa’s personal information, but that person does not seem to exist so he probably got false information).

I’ve just been reading through TFT’s first thread:
- He initially got the facts wrong (date, time, shape of craft, …).
- He doesn’t seem knowledgeable on basic aircraft carrier stuff (confuses angles with temperature, does not know if they had F18’s on board, confuses a nick name with a call sign, …).
- He claims he got the video two years earlier (which would be in 2005).
- 2005 also happens to be the year he initially claims the incident took place.

So, he might have gotten the video, the other files, and the story in 2005 from someone who worked for the Navy, and probably had been sitting on it for two years.

In that case:
- TFT is a civilian.
- It would be very hard to track down the person he originally got the files from in 2005.

If so, the only option for the Navy is to prosecute a civilian for handing over a UAP video he got from an unknown Navy guy to an unknown German guy. And if they did, the press would certainly want to know why the Navy thinks this is so important.
Not much to gain for the Navy here, I would say.