George Floyd. Good Guy.

a reply to: TheLead

You asked me about using his death for a personal agenda, I said I was against that. Stopping police brutality is not a personal agenda, it's a societal one.

How often do the police actually prevent a crime from happening?

Their protect and serve motto seems a bit off.

When a crime actually does occur, it usually is not solved. Only 45% of violent crimes end up with a conviction in the US.

What do they do for the most part?

They show up well after a crime has been committed and investigate.

The rest of the time....?

Shake down people looking for drugs, a victimless crime... sit along the highway, trying to catch speeding cars. Argue if you want, a speeding car doesn't hurt anyone. Reckless driving can, but doesn't in most cases.

Then, in a case where they are actually needed, let's say looting in Minneapolis, they desert their precinct and let the looters burn it to the ground.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes and as I have stated multiple times many are using his death well beyond police brutality. If the OP using Tony Timpa's death to make a point or personal agenda is upsetting to you, that should upset you as well, right? So calling them out as well should make you feel better.

originally posted by: TheLead
Yes and as I have stated multiple times many are using his death well beyond police brutality. If the OP using Tony Timpa's death to make a point or personal agenda is upsetting to you, that should upset you as well, right?

Dude, do you have a reading comprehension issue? I already said multiple times I am against using his death for a personal agenda.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I know and that's why I said it should make you feel better, not me, for the sake of your own consistency. You mistook me saying in that manor as being a police brutality issue when I was referencing personal agenda.

a reply to: TheLead

Whatever, man.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Is that not where the misunderstanding came from?

a reply to: TheLead

I frankly don't even know what you're trying to convey at this point.

originally posted by: BlackProject
George Floyd’s Criminal Past

- George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery.
- On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis.
- Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for at least 5 times.
- George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion.
- He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records.
- Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of coc aine in a December 2005 arrest.
- He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest.
- Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail.
- He had another stint for a theft in August 1998.

link

So with the above being said, he sounds like a good guy right?

Now if this had been anyone else, most reactions to this instance would be he was a criminal. Now of course police using excessive force is not something any of us should be skipping over, the officer in question clearly used excessive force that was not needed. However when we now have this mass demonstration of George Floyd being deemed like this man was a kind and law abiding citizen to the rest of us is just wrong. Having graffiti put up around the streets advertising this man as some kind of idol, to be looked up to is down right wrong on so many levels.

What really really leaves me gobsmacked is the following occurred to this man, not a word:

Timpa's death in the parking lot of an adult video store came after he called 911, saying he was off his medication for schizophrenia and depression and needed help. Questions about what happened in the moments leading to his death have swirled as city officials argued against the release of the body camera footage, according to the Dallas Morning News, but a judge on Monday sided with news outlets who had sought to make the video public.

CBS link

HE called the police to protect the public against himself possibly becoming an issue to them because he knew he was off his medication. Yet they come and pin him down, an unarmed man, make sick jokes about him and lean on him for 14 minutes until the man dies. Then they make fun of him and ending it with "I hope I didn't kill him". They did kill him.

Now where in earth is the moral ground of justice?

A career criminal gets more attention and outcry just because of his colour than a white man who was medically sick.

Oh come on, he was a GENTLE GIANT, and respected in the community. We can all agree that he did not deserve a death sentence, the police should be prosecuted for their actions.

But the media and family narrative on the gentle giant is laughable.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well that's probably because you were being dickishly arguementative and never trying to understand what I was saying, while I was only trying discuss it, admitly with a little snark.

You thought you caught me saying I was against using it for police brutality when I have explained multiple times I was referencing personal agenda. I'm not a literary genius, and often make mistakes that do lead to misunderstanding. However, I believe the broader part of context was already in our conversation so I said using it in that manor, which you confused for police brutality instead of personal agenda.

originally posted by: TheLead
Well that's probably because you were being dickishly arguementative and never trying to understand what I was saying, while I was only trying discuss it, admitly with a little snark.

Ah, I see, you were being a dick and don't like the same treatment. Suck it up buckaroo.

I'm not a literary genius, and often make mistakes that do lead to misunderstanding.

Especially when you're trying to play gotcha and it doesn't pan out.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No the snark was just fair play.

That is literally what you did?

a reply to: TheLead

Ok, bro. Make another convoluted point.

No one seems to see, we are headed for becoming a North Korea.

a reply to: wheresthebody

People are terrible. Especially those who divide.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
"We are the victims! WE ARE!"

What the hell is wrong with you?
Every piece of police brutality is a piece too much! This is no theory-game "why happened it right now and with these circumstances". This is just another drop. You can give the answer to yourself if this was a drop which made the bucket overflow.

And the world watches.

BTW: the riots seem to have slowed down, didn't they?

Europeans have no moral right to judge anyone. What saintly nation are you from, Mr. Self-Righteous European? How many times has the United States had to save Europe from its own insanity? At least three times, my good sir, not including the 1990s intervention in the former Yugoslavia.

Geez, Leftists never seem to know anything about history except the evil America has done. Read a little bit. It’s a big, old world. Much evil has been done and is still being done on a far worse scale than what you’re seeing in America.

The last war in America ended in 1865. How many wars have you Europeans waged against each other since then? At least eight between nations, not counting a helluva lot of civil wars and uprisings.

And the torture your police forces have inflicted on prisoners makes anything done by police here seem kindly in comparison. Consider the Republicans and Nationalists in Spain, the Sûreté in Vichy France and under de Gaulle, Nazi Germany and Austria, Fascist Italy, the communist regimes of Eastern Europe.

And don’t get me started on what Europeans did to retain control over their farflung colonies. Why the UK still had colonies in Africa in 1964, and Portugal was fighting independence movements in Angola and Mozambique in the mid-1970s! Don’t lecture us when your own crimes are still fresh.

One of the first things considered in crimes against a person is whether the perp was known to the victim.

In the Chauvin case, Floyd was well-known to him. This discounts most other theories of the crime, including random
and systemic police violence, based on race.

a reply to: PharoahSpiderMan

agreed

Do we want no cops at all? I see what they are doing now. Demand no police and burn everything down to the ground. 18 murders in Chicago in 24 hours. The worst in its 60 year history. All blacks. All uncivilized animals. Is that the society we want?

Is it our fault they are the way they are? Do we want cops that are afraid to enforce the law? Floyd may not have deserved to die but he sure was on a crime spree for a long time. He decided that the rules didn't apply to him and it caught up to him.

If everyone is equal under the law and some are more equal than others, we are now living in the animal farm.

I would rather have aggressive cops than the BLM animals running the show right now..