George Floyd's death sparks massive protests in Minneapolis

originally posted by: Baddguy
a reply to: Xtrozero

Gang on gang violence in black communities has nothing to do with racial targeting unless the gang is the police.

When i say at disproportional rate, i mean compared to other races, blacks are more target and executed by law enforcement in America.

I hope you don't feel "attacked". That isn't my goal.

Nope not at all...hehe

I find it interesting that you acknowledge that proximity and poverty is directly related to black on black crime, but you don't say the same for cop on black interaction. My main point is if an area is poverty stricken and with that it brings the typical crime, drugs, gangs, poor education, poor life choices etc within that society do you think the cops would be different in a way to match the society they work in compared to cops lets say in the middle class or upper middle class society?

Then we have this demographics that in many poor areas there is a very heavy black population that makes them the majority for that area, so who do you think would typically be arrested there and why would the arrest be much higher than other places if it wasn't mostly based on the poverty of the area, and why would the arrests be more violent than other places to go down paths like in this case with Floyd's death if the society there did not dictate such aggression was the norm for that area?

As example I live in an upper middle class area and if one of my black neighbor's kids was in their front yard playing with a air soft gun the cops here would not pull up slamming to a stop, and shoot him within 2 seconds as they did to a 13 year old kid in Chicago a few years back.

I agree with your statement, but I also feel that local officials/Goverment have a tendency to mirror the population that is around them too. I think of it more in a simple form that areas with poverty will have the most crime and social issues and that blacks in many cases fill the proximity aspects by just being the majority in many of those areas.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

Yes there are good cops. I work with more than a few. Are there POS cops? Yes, more than there should be.

The problem is within the system. The good cops don't get enough recognition and the Blue Brotherhood, needs to be disbanded.

Just like in the medical field, a bad nurse or doctor has to be reported, assisted with rehabilitation if needed, and removed until they have proven they are ready to return to the practice.

The medical field is another potentially very dangerous place to work. Unfortunately, the problem of assaults against medical staff has greatly increased, is hidden, and almost never discussed. That is another thread unto itself. Yet we are not allowed to protect ourselves or retaliate when attacked. We are told to remove ourselves from the danger and call for assistance.

I found myself several months back in a situation were a patient was angry because the doctor would not write a prescription for narcotics, so she decided I would be a good outlet for her anger and frustration. When she came at me with her fist balled, yelling and cursing at me, I stood firm and very quietly and softly diffused the situation. The patient returned across the room and sat down, because it was clear that I was not going to let her get away with attacking me physically.

I was ready to lose my license that day,and she knew it, but I would have only used as much force as was necessary to protect myself. Which is not allowed, by the way.

There are times that you may have to use force to subdue a threat, but this officer went beyond what was necessary and what was legal.

originally posted by: Baddguy
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Black on black crime has to do with proximity and poverty. It has nothing to do with race or targeting. Black people don't target and kill each other based on their race. These cops who are supposed to serve and protect instead come into these communities, actively target and execute blacks at a disproportional rate with these public lynchings.

Understand the invalidity of your point when you review the actual demographic data of police forces in major urban areas around the country.

en.wikipedia.org...

As of the end of 2010, 53% of the entire 34,526-member police force were white and 47% were members of minority groups.

Of 22,199 officers on patrol;

53% (11,717) were black, Latino (of any race), or Asian or Asian-American
47% (10,482) were non-Hispanic white

Of 5,177 detectives;

57% (2,953) were non-Hispanic white
43% (2,225) were black, Latino (of any race), or Asian or Asian-American

Of 4,639 sergeants;

61% (2,841) were non-Hispanic white
39% (1,798) were black, Latino (of any race), or Asian or Asian-American

Of 1,742 lieutenants;

76% (1,323) were non-Hispanic white
24% (419) were black, Latino (of any race), or Asian or Asian-American

Of 432 captains;

82% (356) were non-Hispanic white
18% (76) were black, Latino (of any race), or Asian or Asian-American

Of 10 police chiefs, 7 were non-Hispanic white and 3 were non-white.

You make it sound that front-line LE that "comes into a community" isn't carefully constructed to mirror the demographics of the areas they patrol, which in many many cases couldn't be further from the truth.

Let's face, in many jurisdictions, the police ARE THE COMMUNITY they serve, and minority officers represent or over-represent their demographic slice in the respective forces they serve in.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: JoeGee

Watched the video yesterday and yep, definitely murdered in broad daylight with people watching and recording it.

Those cops need to be in prison... well, the one with his knee on the guys neck... anyway.

The rioting is calling for justice I believe.

Here's my opinion... All four have been arrested, so I don't see the point in protesting/rioting. At least not yet. This is like wanting something, getting the first part of what you want, and then protesting/rioting for getting the first part of what you want.

I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

originally posted by: Baddguy
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Black on black crime has to do with proximity and poverty. It has nothing to do with race or targeting. Black people don't target and kill each other based on their race. These cops who are supposed to serve and protect instead come into these communities, actively target and execute blacks at a disproportional rate with these public lynchings.

Stop it. You know that's BS.

These cops were wrong, they've been arrested for their actions. But don't act like they got in their cars and drove around looking for a black dude to kill. Just don't.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: JoeGee

Watched the video yesterday and yep, definitely murdered in broad daylight with people watching and recording it.

Those cops need to be in prison... well, the one with his knee on the guys neck... anyway.

The rioting is calling for justice I believe.

Here's my opinion... All four have been arrested, so I don't see the point in protesting/rioting. At least not yet. This is like wanting something, getting the first part of what you want, and then protesting/rioting for getting the first part of what you want.

I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.

They have been arrested? I not so sure, I know they were fired.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So you understand how poverty and proximity play a role in this "black on black crime" myth so we can take that out the books because it has nothing to do with racial targeting or this topic.

You made a good point about the difference in communities, If the roles were reversed and a white kid was in a poor Chicago neighborhood playing with an air soft gun do you think the child would have been shot dead in the same manner? We have to understand that law enforcement in American actively target blacks and other minorities groups and thus have less regard for these individuals while detaining them because they seem them as all potential criminals.

Example: the cop is already in full control of this man, has backup nearby and is in no immediate danger, no resisting but he continues kneels on the mans neck like he is an animal. Pleads for help from the victim and bystanders didn't even budge the cop

Former Baltimore Cop Michael Wood Jr. reveals a lot about how law enforcement is incentivized to target blacks and minority groups on Rogans's podcast ep #808 if you care to check that out to get some perspective from someone who was on the inside.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Baddguy
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Black on black crime has to do with proximity and poverty. It has nothing to do with race or targeting. Black people don't target and kill each other based on their race. These cops who are supposed to serve and protect instead come into these communities, actively target and execute blacks at a disproportional rate with these public lynchings.

Stop it. You know that's BS.

These cops were wrong, they've been arrested for their actions. But don't act like they got in their cars and drove around looking for a black dude to kill. Just don't.

No, I dont believe they were looking for a black man to kill. I do believe that law enforcement on a large scale profiles and target black men to meet their quotas. Death unfortunately is often an end result.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I know there are cops that want to be good. But like UFOs there are very few pictures of them in the wild when bad stuff goes down. In this case, one smug little bastard standing off to the right making jokes when passersby express concern (leading to horror, BTW) and two holding the man down by his legs off-camera while their buddy takes a knee on a mans neck. Now that we have CCTV footage that shows what liars all four of them are about "resisting arrest." Whoops. Bad guys with badges = 4 good guys with badges = 0.

Patients attacking doctors and nurses is a fairly major topic in my household. My partner has literally cared for guys with Nazi tattoos who spit and hit. Administration = 0 good guys.

I'd love to see a good cop wrestle one of their own when the bad ones turn feral. I hope it happens someday. In this case there were three guys there who might have intervened. Three out of three thought it was better to close ranks and make up a story about "resisting arrest."

All four need to be charged.

It's awfully convenient timing when we are ready to open up most of the country. Oh look, it's a racist police murder to start violence and allowing the state to militarize response. I'm wondering if the cop wasn't coerced in some manner to publicly execute some random black man?

originally posted by: Baddguy
Chicago neighborhood playing with an air soft gun do you think the child would have been shot dead in the same manner? We have to understand that law enforcement in American actively target blacks and other minorities groups and thus have less regard for these individuals while detaining them because they seem them as all potential criminals.

We need to also understand there are a lot more poor white people in the country than poor black people if we say all poor areas basically act the same and have the same problems, so cops in these poor areas are going to treat everyone there basically the same. We just focus more on the dense black poor areas the most when crap goes wrong, but these areas have most of the black cops and about 2x more whites are killed by cops per year than blacks, so I think it is about 90% demographics involved here with one caveat in there are about 2 million gang members who are mostly minorities and they skew the death rate per year by gun with about 60% of the murders by them alone, so how much does that skew police shootings too.

With that said I think they would be treated the same. Now if you suggest a black kid who was a stranger in lets say a predominantly white neighborhood, someone could ask questions or cops might come and ask, and you can say that is profiling, and I would agree, BUT those cops wouldn't just shoot the kid, they would teat him much better than the cops in his own poverty stricken area.

Example: the cop is already in full control of this man, has backup nearby and is in no immediate danger, no resisting but he continues kneels on the mans neck like he is an animal. Pleads for help from the victim and bystanders didn't even budge the cop

Black or white he was just another sh@t bag in their eyes...

originally posted by: JoeGee

originally posted by: Fisherr
Riots are a excuse/opportunity to "LOOT FREE SHIZ"

It's why they start 90% of the time for cover.

So are you saying there's no reason to protest other than to get free shiz?

What i am saying is that most of the people who do the "smash N Grab" couldn't give a damn about the protest or who/what it is about, these small amount of real protesters are protesting.

Riots leads to theft 90% of the time.

They see a opportunity, they use protests as cover.

You see, most of these people don't mind sh!1ing on their own doorstep as long as i "Get ma Free Shiz"

Just sayin.

originally posted by: Baddguy

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Baddguy
a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Black on black crime has to do with proximity and poverty. It has nothing to do with race or targeting. Black people don't target and kill each other based on their race. These cops who are supposed to serve and protect instead come into these communities, actively target and execute blacks at a disproportional rate with these public lynchings.

Stop it. You know that's BS.

These cops were wrong, they've been arrested for their actions. But don't act like they got in their cars and drove around looking for a black dude to kill. Just don't.

No, I dont believe they were looking for a black man to kill. I do believe that law enforcement on a large scale profiles and target black men to meet their quotas. Death unfortunately is often an end result.

We don’t have quotas for toe tags, and if somebody is killed during an interaction it doesn’t count towards your “quota.” Case in point: would’ve been a lot easier to arrest George and get that “quota” than it was to kill him.

originally posted by: SocratesJohnson
2) not following this case because I really don’t care.

And yet, here you are...

My question is does the guy have priors? Does he have a violent past? Did he do something to be arrested? How did he act before he was arrested?

He was in handcuffs. On the ground. Not resisting.

Even if he was resisting, he was in cuffs.

There were multiple officers there, but only one sitting there with his knee in the guys neck.

So, thank you for telling us all that you don't care that a man was murdered by a POS cop, and the other POS cops did nothing to stop him.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Yea. Doesn’t care about the case but took the time to look up MPD’s use of force policy, read it, think about it, then write a thread about it.

Seems legit.

Why in the Hell are they not all arrested?

a reply to: vonclod

You're right, they've only been fired. My bad.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: vonclod

You're right, they've only been fired. My bad.

They better get to some charges soon.

a reply to: vonclod

It's too bad the population handles these incidents in such a messy fashion. Hurting a lot of people and businesses, while the perpetrator goes unscathed.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: vonclod

It's too bad the population handles these incidents in such a messy fashion. Hurting a lot of people and businesses, while the perpetrator goes unscathed.

I agree!