Dominic Cummings Visited Parents Home While He Had Symptoms

It is now being reported that while in Durham, He took his family for a day out at Barnard Castle. Despite saying he stayed at home due to him and his wife showing symptoms.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TritonTaranis

When millions of people across the country have made the huge sacrifices that they have, missing seeing their own loved ones, or being able to travel, not even being able to attend the funerals of their closest relatives and loved ones that have succumb to the virus, and all in the name of a national effort to stop the spread this horrendous disease, and then one of the Governments closest advisers decides to flout the lockdown procedures, i would say that's rather a big issue.

In his position I too would have done what he did.....

1) He wasnt seeing/visiting his 'loved ones' he was taking his young child

to a safe place, the same place I would have taken my children to under the

same circumstances, as both he and his other half were having C19 symptoms,

not forgetting that his boss? Boris who he had had close contact with was already

sick with it....


2) He did not use public transport and a full tank would have allowed for

any/minimum stops so no public contact.

His parents would have agreed to his bringing his child, their grand child to be

cared for if he and his SO fell ill. Obviously he has no other family in London

that he would trust with his child.


3) He and his SO both self isolated on arrival at his parents for the

required time.


So in point of fact it seems he had very little interaction with any of the public.

originally posted by: 11SK1180
It is now being reported that while in Durham, He took his family for a day out at Barnard Castle. Despite saying he stayed at home due to him and his wife showing symptoms.

If that is the case Barnard Castle was flouting the law?

As ALL public amenities were supposed to be closed to the public!!

So let me get this straight....The neighbour I have been chatting with over the garden wall, at the recommended distance for the past couple of months, still can't come into my garden and have a brew at a safe distance...we have to go to a local park or street corner as my garden is considered my home......I'll fetch my thermos.
BUT....9 weeks ago if I and my partner had a wee bairn but we had the symptoms of this 'thing', we could go traipsing almost 250 miles (no loo stops for little one, let alone us) to my elderly parents home to ask them to look after said bairn while we 'self isolated' in another house .........OK.......NOT!

Elethia...it's not usual for me to disagree with you, but in this instance I do.
During Lock down, I had 2 separate families where both parents in both homes were really sick with this 'Thing'. Both families had really young children, children were not sick. Not only did I send them some remedies to try and help them, NHS told them to stay at home and only go to hospital if they were having problems breathing. Both families had parents living nearby so could have done exactly what Cummings did but not travelling 250 miles!

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Elethia...it's not usual for me to disagree with you, but in this instance I do.
During Lock down, I had 2 separate families where both parents in both homes were really sick with this 'Thing'. Both families had really young children, children were not sick. Not only did I send them some remedies to try and help them, NHS told them to stay at home and only go to hospital if they were having problems breathing. Both families had parents living nearby so could have done exactly what Cummings did but not travelling 250 miles!

'Children' ? Plural..... ages?

A 14 year old can take charge of 1,2,3, younger children.

But

Cummings child is four years old. A four year old looking after themselves

with two (very sick adults)



At that age I would not have left any of my children in the care of ANYONE else but

my mother......... I would have walked through fire for them.


And I as a grandmother would/will be there (even if risking my life) for my

grandchildren, if my children have the need.

a reply to: eletheia

#1 family 6 and 2
#2 family 7 and 5

As a upcoming grandmother myself, I know my own children would not risk my getting ill from them transgressing and flouting the 'directive' as Matt Hancock called it, so their own children would be without their grandparent....they would not be able to live with themselves!

You are forgetting....the 'great' DC and his partner were only showing mild symptoms. The parents I mentioned were seriously ill, one parent in particular very nearly did end up in hospital! Not once were they going to risk the lives of their parents....how would they explain that to their children when nanna or grampi died?
No matter what we claim we will do for our own children and grandchildren, I'm pretty damned sure your own children would not even dream of asking you to look after your grandchildren if they were sick.....ask them.....it's easy to say we would go to hell and back for our children and grandchildren, but you are forgetting they love you too and wouldn't want to transmit this to you with it's possible consequences!

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: eletheia

You are forgetting....the 'great' DC and his partner were only showing mild symptoms.

Surely that was why he did what he did? While his symptoms were mild and

he could before they possibly got full blown and he was unable.....

No matter what we claim we will do for our own children and grandchildren, I'm pretty damned sure your own children would not even dream of asking you to look after your grandchildren if they were sick.....ask them

I have lived a long life and by the law of averages it is my turn anytime. My

daughter's time is not yet, she has not met her grandchildren 'yet' and although

grown her children are still in the youth stage.

it's easy to say we would go to hell and back for our children and grandchildren, but you are forgetting they love you too and wouldn't want to transmit this to you with it's possible consequences!

My daughter looks after an old lady with dementia, and she is helping me out too

Funnily enough she brought me some shopping today, and while keeping (a social

distance ) we discussed this very subject ...... and it appears we are on the

same page with it.

a reply to: eletheia

So a wee correction to my saying they were presenting mild symptoms.....
This by his wife from the article below....She wrote: ‘Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs."...so how come they were seen with their daughter in Bernard Castle? One of them is telling porkies....
DC

So my mother died of dementia as did my grandmother...so I should be next in line with that abominable disease. What's your point? If we are point scoring..... I am also helping out 2 elderly ladies who are also shielding, not just social distancing.....which means I am not going to supermarkets, instead I am going to a local grocery store to pick up their shopping where the owner only allows 2 people at a time in. When he sees me at the shop door, he only allows me in to have free reign. I am also a Clinical therapist, I have followed the Government 'directives', DC has clearly broken the very directives he had a part to play in instigating for the rest of the country.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: eletheia

So a wee correction to my saying they were presenting mild symptoms.....
This by his wife from the article below....She wrote: ‘Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs."...so how come they were seen with their daughter in Bernard Castle? One of them is telling porkies....
DC

To be honest with those symptoms (If true) I don't see how he would have

managed a three plus hour drive?

As for visiting Barnard Castle wouldn't they be breaking the law by being open?

All public buildings are supposed to be closed? aren't they?

So my mother died of dementia as did my grandmother...so I should be next in line with that abominable disease. What's your point? If we are point scoring..... I am also helping out 2 elderly ladies who are also shielding, not just social distancing.....which means I am not going to supermarkets, instead I am going to a local grocery store to pick up their shopping where the owner only allows 2 people at a time in. When he sees me at the shop door, he only allows me in to have free reign. I am also a Clinical therapist, I have followed the Government 'directives', DC has clearly broken the very directives he had a part to play in instigating for the rest of the country.

I dont know where you arrive at point scoring ....... I simply stated that logically

in the grand scheme of things in my family its my time to exit, as I have had the

longest life, and it would be a shame for those who still had years ahead to be

taken in their prime. I only mentioned my daughter as being in lockdown she has

been virtually my only human contact, and at a distance.

a reply to: eletheia

I agree, with those symptoms he would not have been able to drive. From what I gather and I could be wrong, the symptoms developed once they got there. So it still posses the question as to how he was able to be in Bernard Castle. You cannot blame the town for him being there, nobody is saying anything (besides food shops) would be open.....what would that have to do with it anyway? He shouldn't have been there, let alone Durham in any case given the 'directive' to the rest of the nation was to 'stay at home' except for food shop and picking up medical supplies at that time. In another article he was spotted by two people (one who refuses to be named) but the other got home, ran a check on the number plate apparently.

Point scoring....why bring your daughter and you being the next in line into this at all? The discussion is about DC....time will tell as more is revealed as to whether he adhered to his own recommendations to SAGE and apparently alleged quote that it didn't matter if we lost some elderly people....which tells you all you need to know about his arrogance and the little care and love he has for his own parents....they are just 'oldies' whose time is nigh in his view clearly.

I wish you well.......

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: eletheia

Point scoring....why bring your daughter and you being the next in line into this at all? The discussion is about DC....time will tell as more is revealed as to whether he adhered to his own recommendations to SAGE and apparently alleged quote that it didn't matter if we lost some elderly people....which tells you all you need to know about his arrogance and the little care and love he has for his own parents....they are just 'oldies' whose time is nigh in his view clearly.

I was addressing this point in your previous post

I know my own children would not risk my getting ill from them transgressing and flouting the 'directive' as Matt Hancock called it, so their own children would be without their grandparent....they would not be able to live with themselves!

And that I had discussed the very same subject with my daughter.

I think the point here is that WE weren't allowed to see our parents or any of our families nor we WE allowed to go to funerals nor travel any distance except for essentials. Its do as we say not as we do and that's what's annoyed people. Do you really think that in London they couldn't have a) had food delivered b) had a friend or his other sister who lives in London look after the boy if necessary? and c) why the hell risk infecting your elderly parents when you know you've got covid?

There have been thousands of hospital workers and others who have been forced to leave the family home and live in digs and hotels in order not to infect their families, but this Government Minister travelled nearly 300mls, stopping off on the way, went to his parents house then his sister & nieces and then had a day trip!!!
Great example to set DC

a reply to: eletheia

Well that's one rule for some and another for the rest then.

He broke the very same social distancing and isolation guidelines his own government employer was preaching.

People were supposed to shelter at home, not 100s of miles aways at there second home, or elderly parents home, but the one where they reside.

Complete and utter piss poor example to set for the public, talk about letting the side down, well Cummings just let the British people down.

Quite frankly if everyone was to follow Cumming's interpretation of the lockdown procedures we would have undone nine weeks of progress that has already been made.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

He broke the very same social distancing and isolation guidelines his own government employer was preaching.

Over this time he was never closer to 6ft from anyone?

There have been many cases in the local and national news of people doing things

they shouldn't.


Lets face it all this is because of no other reason than he isn't liked .......

a reply to: eletheia

My bet would be there is plenty of details of Cummings journey(possibly journeys) and stay that remain unknown, the distances he kept being only one of them.

As to liking the Man, personally, i don't know him myself, i can't speak for anyone else, i certainly don't share the same political ideology or a warped sense of omnipotent superiority evidenced by his actions.

I myself, just like many others, the majority of the nation, in fact, have attempted to endeavor to follow the government's guidelines and policy regarding social distancing and stay home isolation, because it was the correct thing to do, when one of there own refuses to do so and blatantly flouts the advice, that doesn't say much in the way of unity.

It's a do as i say and not as i do scenario if ever there was one, he should be ashamed, and either offer up a public apology and explanation for his actions or resign.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

He broke the very same social distancing and isolation guidelines his own government employer was preaching.

Over this time he was never closer to 6ft from anyone?

There have been many cases in the local and national news of people doing things

they shouldn't.


Lets face it all this is because of no other reason than he isn't liked .......

Yes, Eletheia there have been many incidents where 'Jo Bloggs Public' have broken the rules/'directives' and they have been fined etc. Can you not see that this has nothing to do with whether DC is liked or not? This is the PM's most senior and personal adviser and his actions have undermined any authority BJ and his Government have?

I have a son who lives in Cornwall that I haven't seen since February, neither he nor I have had symptoms. So if I toodle off to go and see him for the day (I wouldn't be permitted to stay overnight, Government rules), under the guidelines I am not allowed to see him in his home or his garden, we have to meet up outside away from his home. If I get stopped by the police on my trip from Worcestershire to Cornwall and say what I am doing I will be told by the police that my trip is unnecessary and they could fine me. I can now turn to the police and say..."What's good enough for Cummings, is good enough for the rest of us". Might as well throw all the 'directives' out the window as many people will now do.

So as everyone is saying, one rule for DC and another for the rest of us. I don't understand why a bright lady like you doesn't see what he did was so wrong and undermines the authority given to the police and the very seat of Government. There are parents, front line key workers out there, who have been separated from their partners and children to keep them safe and put in temporary accommodation, but were not allowed to send their children to grandparents to keep them safe. But perfectly OK for the man who came up with the slogan 'Stay at home' is allowed to do what he likes with no consequences!

Well, DC has arrived at Downing Street......let's see what happens when BJ does his press thing later today....

a reply to: angelchemuel

Your son is obviously not 4 years old when he was would you not

think he would be traumatised to leave both his mother and father and

be with strangers (even some relations are not close and could be strangers)

for a period of time?

Two weeks is a lifetime when you are four.

Where adults can understand .......toddlers (pre school) can't!!

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: angelchemuel

Your son is obviously not 4 years old when he was would you not

think he would be traumatised to leave both his mother and father and

be with strangers (even some relations are not close and could be strangers)

for a period of time?

Two weeks is a lifetime when you are four.

Where adults can understand .......toddlers (pre school) can't!!

Sorry Elethia, I think you have lost the plot my lovely. Why on earth would I even consider leaving my then 4 year old with strangers? Why would any parent in their right mind? DC has a sister who lives in London as PhyllidaDavenport has already pointed out. But no....he decides to drive 250 miles to his elderly parents when the Government DIRECTIVES (seeing as you've decided to shout at me) were quite clear about keeping yourself and your children (grandchildren) away from the grandparents. Simple to understand.What would your argument be if they were reporting that both DC's parents had gone down and in ICU after he had been up there? Time to let it rest I think.......

I can't help feeling that in discussing this sort of matter, we are just playing 'their' game. Protracted discussions on ethical practices and government efficacy, may keep us occupied for almost as long as the media wishes us to be.

There is no civilisation ending pandemic. There never was, and even if there were, I doubt very much that our professionally lying, career politicians would be so effective at dealing with it.