has any one seen..Demon's?

moonbeam,
don’t do it, it is a trick. Those are the words of a demon inside of the woman, called vash. It wants to establish a mind link with you.

Vash, the real vash, the one who is human being, just a scared little girl reaching out for help, you can see everyone here cares deeply for you. And, only wishes the best for you. I am going to pray the Archangel Michael, that he help you, that you can find the love of the True God, Jesus Christ, who created all things.

Here is a picture of the man from Mt. Athos, who saved me. His name is Elder Joseph. I will ask him to pray for you also.

Vash.....listen to Ballam.....what he is telling you is all true.......

Demons are smart...very smart,cunning and full of lies....

here on earth is where they are and in the REALM (sky)is where they use all possible means to trick us......and I mean any possible means without getting tired ..............

the Lord God Himself addresses Lucifer and ..........describes his former glory:

Thou wast..full of wisdom,
perfect in beauty.
Thou wast in the pleasures of the paradise of God; every precious stone was thy covering…
Thou wast a cherub stretched out and protecting, and I set thee in the holy mountain of God…
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day of thy creation,
until iniquity was found in thee. (Esek. 28:11-18)


And Isaiah:

How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
who didst rise in the morning?…
Thou saidst in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven.
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,
I will sit in the mountain of the covenant…
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.
I will be like the Most High! (Is. 14:12-14)

In the words of the poet,
Milton, this 'wicked cherub shouted out: "Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven!"

Under the leadership of Archangel Michael the good angels defeated the rebellious angels in a war.
Satan "was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were east out with him... neither was their place found any more in heaven" (Rev. 12:7-8).

Where did they go?

According to the testimony of Scripture,
they dwell in "high places" (Eph. 6:12).
This is also translated as "under the heaven," Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov defines this more clearly when he writes: "The spirit s who refused obedience to God...creep over the earth and fill the space between earth and heaven;
whence they are called the spirits of the air,
since the air is their habitat" (Arena, ch. 43). Indeed, St. Paul refers to Satan as the "prince of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2).


Vash........The gods of the pagans are demons. (Ps. 95:5)

St. Peter warns: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (I Peter 5:8).
Vash there are many people here that are trying to help you see, what you clearly are not....
I know it's all magical and fantasy like, I do know because it's like a MAGNET that wont let you go.....it keeps drawing you to it.....and only YOU can put a stop to this...
do you know the true meaning of the Cross???
and what it represents?

it is difficult to make a connection over the net. dont worry donkey i know how to do it without establishing a mind link. i have learned how to sever connections. Micheal always helps me when i do things like this. i will try and help and see what i can do Vash, but i will have to do it later, this is something since i cant personaly see you i will need not only Micheal but Gabriel, Raphael and Ariel for this.

has anyone seen Costantine, it illistrates the war actually quiet well and alot of what they said is based on truth.

Sometimes I think demons are real and sometimes I think man just made them up. I also think evil is man made. If an alligator eats its offspring its considered nature but if a human ate his children its considered evil.
Could I be evil? Sometimes I wish I had the power to wipe entire continents off the face of the earth. No demons have come before me to grant me the power to unleash such destruction yet. You would think they would do everything in their power to grant me my wish.

Hi again Vash.

I wanted to tell you that our sole purpose in life is to find our way back to God. They are keeping you from this purpose.

We are praying for you and pulling for you. There are a lot of people here who care a great deal of what happens to you. You have just lost your way....for now.

Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
Sometimes I think demons are real and sometimes I think man just made them up. I also think evil is man made. If an alligator eats its offspring its considered nature but if a human ate his children its considered evil.
Could I be evil? Sometimes I wish I had the power to wipe entire continents off the face of the earth. No demons have come before me to grant me the power to unleash such destruction yet. You would think they would do everything in their power to grant me my wish.

No you arent evil you are human, it is a natural insinct the way you think, however if you start acting on it it might be another story.

Demons are not only there to keep you away from God, Christianity is not the only religion with demons in it. They are there to make our lives difficult to test us and see if we are worthy of as Christians would refer to heaven, as Buddists Navana, as Norse Vahalla. basicaly as almost any religion to test if we are worthy of assention. if we alow them to win we are not ready for asscention or worthy depending the religion.

Vash i did a bit of searching those demons you have around you MUST ignore as far as possible they are too powerful for me to take on but i do know of someone who will be able to he just needs to know round about where in the world you are not street address but the state ect.

Originally posted by Balaams donkey
moonbeam,
don’t do it, it is a trick. Those are the words of a demon inside of the woman, called vash. It wants to establish a mind link with you.

Vash, the real vash, the one who is human being, just a scared little girl reaching out for help, you can see everyone here cares deeply for you. And, only wishes the best for you. I am going to pray the Archangel Michael, that he help you, that you can find the love of the True God, Jesus Christ, who created all things.

Here is a picture of the man from Mt. Athos, who saved me. His name is Elder Joseph. I will ask him to pray for you also.

Well if i am trying to trick any one i am not meaning to -_^ i only wanted her to bascily scan me liek a scaner so she chould no harm meant to any one

Originally posted by helen670
Vash.....listen to Ballam.....what he is telling you is all true.......

Demons are smart...very smart,cunning and full of lies....

here on earth is where they are and in the REALM (sky)is where they use all possible means to trick us......and I mean any possible means without getting tired ..............

the Lord God Himself addresses Lucifer and ..........describes his former glory:

Thou wast..full of wisdom,
perfect in beauty.
Thou wast in the pleasures of the paradise of God; every precious stone was thy covering…
Thou wast a cherub stretched out and protecting, and I set thee in the holy mountain of God…
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day of thy creation,
until iniquity was found in thee. (Esek. 28:11-18)


And Isaiah:

How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
who didst rise in the morning?…
Thou saidst in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven.
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,
I will sit in the mountain of the covenant…
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.
I will be like the Most High! (Is. 14:12-14)

In the words of the poet,
Milton, this 'wicked cherub shouted out: "Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven!"

Under the leadership of Archangel Michael the good angels defeated the rebellious angels in a war.
Satan "was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were east out with him... neither was their place found any more in heaven" (Rev. 12:7-8).

Where did they go?

According to the testimony of Scripture,
they dwell in "high places" (Eph. 6:12).
This is also translated as "under the heaven," Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov defines this more clearly when he writes: "The spirit s who refused obedience to God...creep over the earth and fill the space between earth and heaven;
whence they are called the spirits of the air,
since the air is their habitat" (Arena, ch. 43). Indeed, St. Paul refers to Satan as the "prince of the power of the air" (Eph. 2:2).


Vash........The gods of the pagans are demons. (Ps. 95:5)

St. Peter warns: "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (I Peter 5:8).
Vash there are many people here that are trying to help you see, what you clearly are not....
I know it's all magical and fantasy like, I do know because it's like a MAGNET that wont let you go.....it keeps drawing you to it.....and only YOU can put a stop to this...
do you know the true meaning of the Cross???
and what it represents?

In the bible it states that humans will not worship false idols...

The cross was were jesus died for are sins so that we did not have to sacrifce goats ever time we commited a sin so in doing so jesus gods only begonten son died for all humans sin and from then on all we hade to do was ask god to forgive us of are sins and (mean it ) and we whould be cleansed ...

unless you are like some other religon were if you are baptised you are saved and cleansed free of sins which nither i belive in ...

other then that i belive that worsiping jesus on a cross whould be a fasle idol as well as goign to chruch ever sunday or saturday as well it seems that this madern day christen belives to fully worship god we have to go to chruch and sing and pray to a cross with a staute of dead ejsus on it which whoudl be a false idol becus man made it ...

Originally posted by moonbeam13

Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
Sometimes I think demons are real and sometimes I think man just made them up. I also think evil is man made. If an alligator eats its offspring its considered nature but if a human ate his children its considered evil.
Could I be evil? Sometimes I wish I had the power to wipe entire continents off the face of the earth. No demons have come before me to grant me the power to unleash such destruction yet. You would think they would do everything in their power to grant me my wish.

No you arent evil you are human, it is a natural insinct the way you think, however if you start acting on it it might be another story.

Demons are not only there to keep you away from God, Christianity is not the only religion with demons in it. They are there to make our lives difficult to test us and see if we are worthy of as Christians would refer to heaven, as Buddists Navana, as Norse Vahalla. basicaly as almost any religion to test if we are worthy of assention. if we alow them to win we are not ready for asscention or worthy depending the religion.

Vash i did a bit of searching those demons you have around you MUST ignore as far as possible they are too powerful for me to take on but i do know of someone who will be able to he just needs to know round about where in the world you are not street address but the state ect.

i knwo they are powerful they are mine guards in this life tell i am done here ... but thank you moonbeam you have been very helpful and i thank you freind ^_^ *hugs*

Hi Vash,

You asked if anyone has ever seen demons. Well, as crazy as it may seem, I have. Demons are very real and can appear to us. If you think that they are your guides, you are mistaken. They want to guide you, but not the way you think they do. They are agents of Satan and will stop at nothing to do his bidding. They are sent to us by Satan to destroy our lives and they want nothing more than to take away what we have, light and love and our eternities. They are not benign, they are deceitful and spiteful. They are as cunning as Satan himself. They are the opposite of Angels and enemies to be avoided. How do I know this? Take a look at the thread I posted.... Hopefully, this will help you to understand. Feel free to u2u me....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Icelandia

just points to Icelandia*

Thanks Icelandia

You are quite welcome, Saint! I just hope that Vash finds some truth and listens to those who want nothing more than to help her and open her eyes to the evil that she is inviting....

Icelandia

Wow,
What a great thread, all of these wonderful people.
Saint4god, moonbeam, Vash, maui, helen, wren, and now Icelandia!
This is great.

Vash, I don't think "you" are trying to trick anyone, but sometimes demon put thoughts in our minds that, cause us to do evil things, or a least think them.

other then that i belive that worsiping jesus on a cross whould be a fasle idol as well as goign to chruch ever sunday or saturday as well it seems that this madern day christen belives to fully worship god we have to go to chruch and sing and pray to a cross with a staute of dead ejsus on it which whoudl be a false idol becus man made it ...

The more I read your writing the more, I like how you think Vash.
Yes, your logic is flawless, but you are missing a few pieces of information.
When you add in that information, it will change things.

First the old testment commandment:
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

This was given because Idolartors would worship carved(graven) idols and the thougth the spirit of the god, was in the Idol. It was a devil, not a God.
Right after this the Lord goes not to tell Moses, how to make the Ark, and to place images on it.

Ex 25:20
And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

Then God says he is in the Ark, meaning his Spirit.
Ex 25:22
And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

The Ark was kept in the Temple of the Lord,
1 Samuel 3:3 And ere the lamp of God went out in the temple of the LORD, where the ark of God was, and Samuel was laid down to sleep;

Now, after Jesus Christ came to earth, born of a woman, taking her flesh, and milk, we can see the Lord in the flesh, we can draw him, paint him, describe him. No one had ever seen the Lord before he took flesh, thus when this happen, we now can have images of him. You are right to say one should not worship an image, true. The Lord says he will commune by the Ark, so now Christians worship God, and the image replaces the Ark. They should never worship the image. The image helps man to think of his Lord, his love, his kindness, his suffering for us. Just as when one faces a wall or the sky and pray, we would not say they are worshiping the sky or the wall, nor is it right to Christians worship the image, it simply helps them think of God. In face everyone is made in the image and likeness of God, so we should not remove people from the Church because they are images of God. The Apostle Luke painted the first 23 icons (paintings) of the Lord, himself. In fact the Bible itself paints a picture of God, by it writings, it says God is a Father, a Son, a Spirit, it describes God, in many way, one can learn about God, by reading the Bible.
In the old day most people could not read or write, so in the Churches they would place pictures of the Bible, like the flood, or feeding the 5000, or the Birth of Christ, this would give people comfort. They could learn from the picture, just a we learn from a movie. In fact how much better is it for people to look at the good things of God, then the evil things on T.V.?
For the Lord tell us, set nothing evil before thine eyes.

Er..Sorry I'm late,
IronMan standeth with the others, beware little lady and listen to your friends.

Originally posted by Vash
In the bible it states that humans will not worship false idols...

Absolutely correct!

Originally posted by Vash
The cross was were jesus died for are sins so that we did not have to sacrifce goats ever time we commited a sin so in doing so jesus gods only begonten son died for all humans sin and from then on all we hade to do was ask god to forgive us of are sins and (mean it ) and we whould be cleansed ...

Hit the nail right on the head! Ooh, that was a poor choice of words on my part perhaps, but you're exactly right.

Originally posted by Vash
other then that i belive that worsiping jesus on a cross whould be a fasle idol

You gottit. Christians don't worship the crucifix or cross....or at least they're not supposed to if they are. I don't know of any who do.

Originally posted by Vash
as well as goign to chruch ever sunday or saturday

I don't know how sitting and listening to someone else reading the Bible for a change (because we all should be reading it on our own) would be idolitry. In fact, one of them there commandments is telling us to take the time to do exactly this.

Originally posted by Vash
as well it seems that this madern day christen belives to fully worship god we have to go to chruch and sing and pray to a cross with a staute of dead ejsus on it which whoudl be a false idol becus man made it ...

Which church did this? I think there's nasty trickery or misdirection that's going on here. Dare I say a....conspiracy that's having you believe this? Perhaps a demon unto itself. Where is this information coming from?


[edit on 30-3-2005 by saint4God]

From saint4god, Which church did this? I think there's nasty trickery or misdirection that's going on here. Dare I say a....conspiracy that's having you believe this? Perhaps a demon unto itself. Where is this information coming from?

My reply
I have nto heard of a chruch prsay doign this but it is wirten in to our very mental being as in to go to chruch to fully pray to the god that is above but as it states in the bible to just read by are selfs and pray to god in are homes...


well i have to be going but i will reply to the rest when i can thank you ^_^

Vash, I think you may be refering to the catholic church, where there are portraits of Jesus on the cross. keep in mind what Martin Luther did. (for those of you who don't know, he started the protestant movement) if you look at baptist churches for instance, all we do is collect ourselves, sing praises to our God, have someone go in depth and explain different parts of the Bible to us. Having a cross in a church dosen't mean we worship it, it's almost used as a picture, to remind us of what Jesus did for all mankind.

I still find all this strange, I mean you're saying that the world has these bad 'spirits' with wings and horns flying about making people doing evil. I'm astounded to hear about angels and devils that seem to wander the Earth in some eternal battle. If it's all true then you can see why some tempted souls fall pray to evil whispering. It makes sense now about that poor man Lee Oswald and that wretched Charles Manson.

Sorry Ironman, Old Boy.....did not mean to leave you out, your ok too.

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head, the great conspiracy is that demonic spirits are trying to take over the world, by giving men power.
This way man will take over man till there is a chief man, and then the devil will be inside of that man and most will think he is god, anti-Christ. Right now the big trick is to make people think that demons do not exist so this can happen. Now you know the greatest secret in the world. Every thing bad, NWO, Nazi’s, WTO, 9/11, etc. it is all the devils plan, and his demons are corrupting people to follow his NWO.

I belong to the OWO, (old world order) or God's order. We need men like you, Ironman

Vash I have as you would put it scanned you, the demons that surround now arent that bad but what worries me is that those demons are never around unless their master is and their master is one of the main powers of hell. Abaddon. I unfortuanatly dont have the means from this distance to rid you of them but I do know of someone who can I will speak to him when next I see him, just make sure you try shut yourself off from them and show them no fear.

Originally posted by Vash
My reply
I have nto heard of a chruch prsay doign this but it is wirten in to our very mental being as in to go to chruch to fully pray to the god that is above but as it states in the bible to just read by are selfs and pray to god in are homes...

I agree that everyone should read the Bible on their own as often as they can. In Exodus 20:8 though, we are given a gift that reads as follows "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God." Every enterprise in the world wishes it could work their employees seven days a week, especially when they pay them a yearly salary. The picture was the employee saying, "I can't do Sabbath day, God told me to take off". Who's going to argue with that? This wasn't meant to make people do something they don't want to, it was there to give peeps a break. There's a certain kind of rest by going to church ( no, I don't mean sleeping during the sermon ) that really recharges the batteries. Now certainly by all rights you can get the family together and read a few passages of the Book and talk about it, but also I think there's something to be said about getting out there, hearing another perspective, and meeting the people in your hood.

Christianity is a religion about liberation from sin, fear, worry, and anger, not imprisonment of the law. That's what Jesus was trying to tell us. Hope that helps my friend. Keep the questions coming if you have more, they're really good ones!

[edit on 31-3-2005 by saint4God]