Anti-Vaxx, Right-Wing Conspiracy Theorist

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: zosimov

Mostly 19 year olds who play video games in Mommy's basement. That isn't the Right Wing.

I can't figure out which part of the OP you're responding to.

a reply to: zosimov

Ah, just the claim that the anti-vaxxer movement is a right wing conspiracy theory. It is a left wing conspiracy theory, perpetuated by anti-science science-denying lefties, mostly.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: zosimov

Ah, just the claim that the anti-vaxxer movement is a right wing conspiracy theory. It is a left wing conspiracy theory, perpetuated by anti-science science-denying lefties, mostly.

Can't see I've ever seen a left winger promoting this nonsense. It's all rabid right wingers playing chicken little thinking poisons, chips and the devil are in vaccines despite having zero understanding of science or the basic concepts of medicine and vaccination.

If it's a left wing conspiracy then why is it only far right TV, Radio and Newspapers that promote it and falsely claim they can cause autism based on a 20 year old debunked stufy.

My main problem with the OP is that.... regardless of your stance.... it IS a conspiracy theory.
In, like, the true descriptive sense.
It's a theory about a conspiracy, what else can you call it?
And it is a wild one! Billionaire plans to implant devil chip in population, reduce/destroy human race, are you saying that's not a wild thought? Do you think that's a pretty normal occurence to feel blase about? clearly not!
And yeah, it's promulgated largely in very heavily right wing spaces [like here on ats], and there's undeniably a lot of overlap with qanons.
And 5g conspiracies
and i could go on

point is, if you find descriptions of your activities and your bedfellows distasteful, take a good hard look at what you're doing. You may find you feel great truth in it and push on, but this whole "noooo don't describe me" thing is a poor and childish kneejerk.

Just heard on the radio the Piers Corbyn was arrested and fined for protesting the lock down and protesting against any vaccines from Bill Gates.

Piers Corbyn is the brother of Jeremy Corbyn the ex Labour party leader here in the UK.

Clearly we are being overrun by right wing extremists.

a reply to: continuousThunder

I would call a theory a theory and leave it at that.
I voted for Jill Stein last election. How right wing is that?

The author of that piece I quoted is short sighted, biased, and reaches false conclusions in nearly every paragraph, which was all I was trying to point out with the OP.

Btw:
So do you believe Bill Gates when he talks about a digital id or do you not?

a reply to: JBurns

I'm anti-Bill Gates. What wing does that make me?

a reply to: zosimov


So right-wing pundits don't put all left-leaning people in the same bag? An as a right-winger called me a communist just yesterday here because I believe in universal health insurance and other liberal causes.

Its ONLY left-wingers that do that?

Again, you're looking always one way and seeing with one eye, as usual.

a reply to: Willtell

Lol, do you know me?

PS I am a registered independent but have voted for democrats or green party candidates about 95 percent of the time. I'm fed up with all of them, tbh. This isn't about right or left even though everyone keeps wanting to line up in their own trenches. I think a lot of people are missing the point (media bias disguised as facts).

I'm definitely feeling estranged from the Democrats, though, I'll tell you that.

a reply to: zosimov

It doesn't matter whether I know you or not. I don't, BTW.


I'm responding to your OP.


Your an Independent, fine. So am I. I vote for issues

Fox is not media bias?

Is all my point in response to you saying liberal media is biased

Of course, it is

But so is right-wing media!

a reply to: Willtell

Ok then we agree! All of the so-called main stream media is biased. I love true journalism, but true journalism is dangerous and usually goes against the wishes of those in power, imo.
I've had a long standing grievance against the media, back to when it was mainly liberals (think Bowling for Columbine) complaining about the sensationalism and quesitonable ethics.
There was a real tragic event which happened locally that precipitated my view on the media due to their coverage.
Not talking about Fox news doesn't mean I think they're exempt.

Ive never fit in with the democrats, even though I lean pretty far left in some ways.

That used to be somewhat acceptable

Either way Zos.. What I find interesting is that as long as someone like Gates talks about his "plans" using nice, friendly words.. Most wont consider he is anything but nice and friendly (if they even get that far).

Thats what has happened with literally everything so many of us care about.. The causes were usurped by flowery, empty words that hide ulterior motives/agendas. Then, they abuse peoples ideals by convincing them that what they are saying with their doubleplusgood language is the Only Way, and we must do it By Any Means Necessary.

We even see the narrative shaping with 5g.. Either total dismissal or pretty absurd notions, no in between and no examination of the subject at large. As long as folks keep laughing about EMF's impact on our immune systems, and the slowly mounting evidence and research in that direction, most simply wont consider it.

What I learned years ago, working in animal shelters: Truly Evil people tend to find work in arenas and sectors that shield them from criticism, and will even frequently use incompetence to hide it beyond that. From personal experience, I was asked plenty of times "how could someone in charge of a shelter possibly be bad?"

a reply to: zosimov

There seems to be little unbiased journalism but it does come out sometimes.

Even Fox, MSNBC, and CNN have small degrees of reporting journalism that may be unbiased (like when they report a hurricane or an objective political fact) but editorially they remain loyal to their political biases.

And eventually, particularly a divisive guy like Trump who can't seem to keep anything out of politics (even hurricanes and the pandemic) the politics gets in. It may be just the nature of the beast.

I have always felt, being a conspiracy guy to a degree, the MSM was controlled by one of the elite groups who are both conservative and liberal. Remember on MSNBC they got rid of Phill Dononhue because of his anti-Iraq war stance.
And CNN I believe is run by the CIA Essentially. So, sure it's all to some degree biased left or right but some like me believe there's a higher power manipulating the left/right battle for its own end.

a reply to: zosimov


To have a "theory" one should have a laboratory to test it in...

Why name it a theory if not willing to test in a laboratory?

The answer is formulated in the question, so to name it a theory is to grant it provable in a lab test study.

BG gave windows the first virus and remains to be cured of it so his theory of utopia is bogus.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
What I find interesting is that as long as someone like Gates talks about his "plans" using nice, friendly words.. Most wont consider he is anything but nice and friendly (if they even get that far).

Thats what has happened with literally everything so many of us care about.. The causes were usurped by flowery, empty words that hide ulterior motives/agendas. Then, they abuse peoples ideals by convincing them that what they are saying with their doubleplusgood language is the Only Way, and we must do it By Any Means Necessary.

We even see the narrative shaping with 5g.. Either total dismissal or pretty absurd notions, no in between and no examination of the subject at large. As long as folks keep laughing about EMF's impact on our immune systems, and the slowly mounting evidence and research in that direction, most simply wont consider it.

What I learned years ago, working in animal shelters: Truly Evil people tend to find work in arenas and sectors that shield them from criticism, and will even frequently use incompetence to hide it beyond that. From personal experience, I was asked plenty of times "how could someone in charge of a shelter possibly be bad?"

Great points.
Yes, what turns my stomach most (if what I believe to be true really is) is the use of people's better impulses as a method of control. It's the lowest of the low.

PS, it's a beautiful day, isn't it? I have the planting that I didn't get done yesterday ahead of me. Nature is the best therapy for such heavy thoughts as these (well that and other natural therapies lol). I also agree with your previous threads in that sustainability and community are the best answers to the more critical problems of the day. Cheers, I hope you have a good day ahead!

I'd also like to say thanks to everyone who offered a counter argument also. I'd love to see more healthy debates like these. I think that's one arena where our society is failing, and that open minded communication is worth the effort.
I respect a wide variety of opinions on any given matter. That's why I came here--to read what everyone has to think and share my own thoughts on occasion.

a reply to: zosimov

I find it deeply disturbing too, even the mere possibility of such manipulation.

And.. If one disagrees or dissents, we are seen as "The Enemy." [Insert buzzwords here]

But yes.. It is glorious out there today! Getting some good sunlight and being outdoors with nature can help with things like Vit D, immune systems, etc...

But its greatest benefit may just be how good it feels. I know Ill be spending some time reading out there! Might be one of the easiest things to do to feel better in general. Get some sun.. Dig in the dirt.. Go barefoot through the grass.. Or just read a good book while listening to the birds.

Honestly, the thing is, this theory has been floating around for at least 11 years. The mandatory vaccination with microchips, mark of the beast. 11 years ago, it looked unlikely and I more or less dismissed it. But seriously, you name the patent for your microchips 666? It's just so incredibly odd....

a reply to: zosimov

The "I misread/misjudged you" wing

Oh hey apparently that was me! My apologies zos

a reply to: zosimov

zosimov, what a good sport and genuinely good guy/gal.

Appreciate you