Man refusing to wear mask breaks arm of Target employee

"Two men were arrested for felony battery after starting a fight with employees at a Los Angeles Target store over wearing masks inside the store"

www.cnn.com...

Regardless of where you fall on wearing masks infringes on your personal freedom (that isnt said in a sarcastic or snarky manner) or it's the right of a store to enforce their rules I'm hard pressed to think how anyone, based off the video shown, doesn't hold the people without the masks as responsible for the outcome here.

Specifically the person on the left turns around and puts his hand in the guards face which resulted in the eventual outcome that played out.

At this point I almost wonder , until the world calms down, if you don't need to segregate shopping scenarios in some way. Until such a time as when masks are no longer a question the hostility seems to keep growing for a small % of people. Logically you could see that trend continue so maybe solutions , again until masks are no longer a thing, could be:

1. First 6 hours of the business days are no masks , final 6 business hours of the day are mask only. The other hours run over night where just by nature things are slower paced.

2. Rotate in 2 hour blocks. Not sure if this is logistically or tactically possible.

a reply to: opethPA

IF target stores - want masks - you mask up or fook off - you have zero rights in this regard . end off

originally posted by: opethPA
"Two men were arrested for felony battery after starting a fight with employees at a Los Angeles Target store over wearing masks inside the store"

www.cnn.com...

Regardless of where you fall on wearing masks infringes on your personal freedom (that isnt said in a sarcastic or snarky manner) or it's the right of a store to enforce their rules I'm hard pressed to think how anyone, based off the video shown, doesn't hold the people without the masks as responsible for the outcome here.

Specifically the person on the left turns around and puts his hand in the guards face which resulted in the eventual outcome that played out.

At this point I almost wonder , until the world calms down, if you don't need to segregate shopping scenarios in some way. Until such a time as when masks are no longer a question the hostility seems to keep growing for a small % of people. Logically you could see that trend continue so maybe solutions , again until masks are no longer a thing, could be:

1. First 6 hours of the business days are no masks , final 6 business hours of the day are mask only. The other hours run over night where just by nature things are slower paced.

2. Rotate in 2 hour blocks. Not sure if this is logistically or tactically possible.

Separate but equal based on masks? Sounds like it would work, dunno know how easy it would be to scale back from it when this is all over, though... might need to call in the National Guard to forcibly escort the mask wearers back into the general population of the store and permit them to also use the store during those first 6 hours when the normal folk are in there shopping.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: opethPA

IF target stores - want masks - you mask up or fook off - you have zero rights in this regard . end off

Well, let's be realistic here, since COVID hit the US a number of "Americans" seem to believe nobody has any rights anywhere the moment personal fears arise and need dealt with.

a reply to: opethPA

I am not condoning violence or even defending these people in the story. We are getting to a boiling point. and that point is telling American's what to do. the terminology "free country" has been used for such a long time. and when people see that they are not allowed to make choices for themselves on what is safe and what is not safe. It becomes a boiling point for some.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Not entirely true there will be civil lawsuits filed based on medical descrimination for those with ailments that increase their risk by wearing a mask. This isn't as simple as a no shoes no shirt policy or the right to refuse service to anyone. Hell the way health has been redefined for abortion you could probably even get away with saying a mask gives you a panic attack.

To OP, I would only enter a physical altercation if needed as a defense measure. That gets a little subjective when it comes to a controlling body, but an employee is not that, no reason to fight them for doing their job.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: opethPA
"Two men were arrested for felony battery after starting a fight with employees at a Los Angeles Target store over wearing masks inside the store"

www.cnn.com...

Regardless of where you fall on wearing masks infringes on your personal freedom (that isnt said in a sarcastic or snarky manner) or it's the right of a store to enforce their rules I'm hard pressed to think how anyone, based off the video shown, doesn't hold the people without the masks as responsible for the outcome here.

Specifically the person on the left turns around and puts his hand in the guards face which resulted in the eventual outcome that played out.

At this point I almost wonder , until the world calms down, if you don't need to segregate shopping scenarios in some way. Until such a time as when masks are no longer a question the hostility seems to keep growing for a small % of people. Logically you could see that trend continue so maybe solutions , again until masks are no longer a thing, could be:

1. First 6 hours of the business days are no masks , final 6 business hours of the day are mask only. The other hours run over night where just by nature things are slower paced.

2. Rotate in 2 hour blocks. Not sure if this is logistically or tactically possible.

Separate but equal based on masks? Sounds like it would work, dunno know how easy it would be to scale back from it when this is all over, though... might need to call in the National Guard to forcibly escort the mask wearers back into the general population of the store and permit them to also use the store during those first 6 hours when the normal folk are in there shopping.

It's definitely a challenging scenario for all sides here. You view those not wearing masks as normal, I have friends that would say those not wearing them in the current times are abnormal.

I can see the argument from both perspectives and I'm also aware that people, on either side, that go to this level are normally the extremes but until some final direction is given I can just see tensions getting worse.

That overlap hour would have to be very controlled because I think it could really be a flashpoint between sides.

Well, let's be realistic here, since COVID hit the US a number of "Americans" seem to believe nobody has any rights anywhere the moment personal fears arise and need dealt with.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think that is a key question should people's personal fears infringe on other individual's rights?

lmfao.
this whole psyop is to prepare people for total dystopia.

i tell you this, i am lucky i lift weights, because no one messes with me.

a reply to: opethPA

Nobody has the right to lay hands on anyone unless it is in self- defense. These idiots attacking store employees because they don't want to wear a mask are the same kind who would attack people for nearly anything. Normal people would just take their business elsewhere.

I understand people are getting to a boiling point but when you become so angry that you feel the need to physically attack somebody it is time to seek help for your mental health. I think those people need to be prosecuted but the sad part is that they wont get the help they need in jail.

I have a feeling we are going to be seeing more and more of this sort of behavior as mental health continues to slowly deteriorate due to continued isolation.

originally posted by: American-philosopher

Well, let's be realistic here, since COVID hit the US a number of "Americans" seem to believe nobody has any rights anywhere the moment personal fears arise and need dealt with.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think that is a key question should people's personal fears infringe on other individual's rights?

It's a tough call for sure and I think , to a certain degree, depends on who or what you are responsible for in life.
For me personally I believe the truth lies someplace in between the micro and macro views below.

At a micro level it's easy to make the argument individual rights are paramount and the very fabric by which society should be driven.

At a macro level it's easy to support the classic Star Trek quote of "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

At a macro level it's easy to support the classic Star Trek quote of "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

a reply to: opethPA

Even though its the wants of the few who are deciding things.

even taking it to the micro level is there a vote, consensus by the people in any of these jurisdictions, counties to see hey what do people think? should we all wear a mask>??

They are not request, they are orders.

Doesn't matter what I think, public business requires a mask then you put the mask on.. I might not like it but it is what it is.

a reply to: American-philosopher

should we all wear a mask>??

Should you wear a car seat belt ?

Pretty clear cut here.

Business can serve the public as they choose, right?

Don't like Target's rules, don't shop there.

Assault is assault and should be treated as such.

All the wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding "muh rites" is BS anyway.

All levels of government have the extra-legal POLICE POWER and this has been accepted legal doctrine since the early 20th century in the USA.

Any appearance of "muh rites" in any of our lifetimes is and has been purely delusional, IMO.

This situation has proven that fact.

Sounds like the mask militia better recruit tougher people to enforce their authoritarian ways. Just give it another month and stories like these will be child’s play.

a reply to: opethPA
How else will you end the mandatory masks policy without making sure people suffer consequences for authoritarian behavior control? Once the body count goes up, maybe people will think twice about trying to manage regular peoples behaviors because they don't want to admit they were tricked by a media campaign putting a microscope on the cold or worse, they are facilitating the deceit.

Personally, I would like to see an increased number of confrontations continue. Honestly many states are pretty much mostly back to normal. Should be a bit revealing that the strictest states still holding on to this Covert Op Viral Intel Deception are all led by militant Democrat governors.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Sounds like the mask militia better recruit tougher people to enforce their authoritarian ways. Just give it another month and stories like these will be child’s play.

The "mask militia" being Target and their employed security guard?

So you're for hoodlumism then, as long as it matches your political beliefs?

Okie doke.

originally posted by: American-philosopher

Well, let's be realistic here, since COVID hit the US a number of "Americans" seem to believe nobody has any rights anywhere the moment personal fears arise and need dealt with.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think that is a key question should people's personal fears infringe on other individual's rights?

I don't even think that question should be asked, TBH. The moment you allow emotional weakness to override established statute, you've lost the race and missed the entire point of having a set-in-stone Constitution of inalienable enumerated Rights.

The fundamental question here is not even "does the government have a right to tell us to wear masks in public."

The question is "Does Target have the right to deny service?"

Many of you now arguing that Target does not have that right have argued the opposite in the past.