If you STRONGLY believe there is a God

a reply to: vethumanbeing

And the commandments were the law

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: vethumanbeing

And the commandments were the law

By whose order? This is mankind taking some well deserved criticism (generic advice column content) and twisting it into fear mongering mandates. Wrong, a backwards thinking power grab caught in the act of manipulating for material gain.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: HalWesten
Actually it was the finger of God (He) that wrote the original Ten Commandments in the tablets. So...

Those were never meant to be 'commandments' ONLY to be thought of as 'covenants'.

So, not commandments, for the Jews you mean?
God took them pretty seriously
I don’t think you understand what a covenant is and I don’t think you know what the “Law” was. Two different things altogether biblically

God wanted people to love each other but He also wanted them to respect each other.
the commandments were about respecting each other
The covenant was between mankind and God

Brother, you're reading from a book that was writtentwisted by the ever-lovin'-mother-effin' Romans. Do you remember who put Christ on the Cross?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: HalWesten
Actually it was the finger of God (He) that wrote the original Ten Commandments in the tablets. So...

Veteranhumanbeing: Those were never meant to be 'commandments' ONLY to be thought of as 'covenants'.

Raggedyman: So, not commandments, for the Jews you mean? God took them pretty seriously
I don’t think you understand what a covenant is and I don’t think you know what the “Law” was. Two different things altogether biblically.

Why would God put restraints upon Its own being/judge Itself? The human is Its living proxy.

Raggedyman: God wanted people to love each other but He also wanted them to respect each other.
the commandments were about respecting each other The covenant was between mankind and God

"Respect" is the underlying secret rule of law? That is too abstract...a better rule would be "Do No Harm to Others". Why would Man vs God need covenants in the first place as they are One and the Same Thing.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I am coming from the christian perspective, I don’t know where you are coming from.

Use the force, whatever, I havnt been privileged to your beliefs. I am guessing some mixture of Judeo christianity and gnostic beliefs.

God the christian God didn’t teach respect, God taught love, as different as covenant and law.
Love overrides and out does respect
Do no harm, that’s subjective


Why would God put restraints on His own being?
Easy, love.
Same reason parents let their children skateboard, because they have to take a few bumps to learn, explore and get better
It’s called growing up

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: HalWesten
Actually it was the finger of God (He) that wrote the original Ten Commandments in the tablets. So...

Those were never meant to be 'commandments' ONLY to be thought of as 'covenants'.

So, not commandments, for the Jews you mean?
God took them pretty seriously
I don’t think you understand what a covenant is and I don’t think you know what the “Law” was. Two different things altogether biblically

God wanted people to love each other but He also wanted them to respect each other.
the commandments were about respecting each other
The covenant was between mankind and God

Brother, you're reading from a book that was writtentwisted by the ever-lovin'-mother-effin' Romans. Do you remember who put Christ on the Cross?

Yes I do know who put Jesus on the cross, religious people.
I don’t think “the book” was twisted, think it makes perfect sense, it’s about love.

I don’t have any issues with what the bible teaches, it teaches love, love over respect even.
Respect more for the Hebrews, love was commanded to the christians

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: vethumanbeing

And the commandments were the law

By whose order? This is mankind taking some well deserved criticism (generic advice column content) and twisting it into fear mongering mandates. Wrong, a backwards thinking power grab caught in the act of manipulating for material gain.

I think Leviticus describes the laws very clearly, no questions about that

Yes, others were added by the religious leaders but Leviticus was the book of the Mosaic laws

www.easyenglish.bible...
“The Book of Leviticus is about the law of God. The law teaches us that God is holy. The Book of Leviticus contains many rules for the Hebrew people. But we do not obey all the rules in Leviticus today, because we trust Jesus (see Galatians 3:23-25). The Book of Leviticus also describes the duties of priests during the time of the Old Testament. And, in Leviticus 23, there is a list of special ...”

The Mosaic covenant had already been established

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: HalWesten
Actually it was the finger of God (He) that wrote the original Ten Commandments in the tablets. So...

Kind of weird that he picked clay tablets over a Zordon style conference call. Or you know, delivering his edicts in person like a real man. You can tell a lot about a boss from how they treat their staff.

Yes, He died for us
Kinda indicates what the depth of His love is

He wanted to deliver the law in person but, humanity was afraid
You don’t know the bible, just what you think you know

I mean... kind of. But moreover, kind of not. Pretty self-serving death if you ask me. So he got nailed for some days to a cross. That would suck for a regular person, sure. But not for this dude. Cause after that he gets to sit in judgement over all humanity for all of eternity. Pretty sweet deal to me (i.e. - he didn't really die anyway). Plus on top of all of that it teaches the terrible lesson of 'scapegoating' and that you actually can just toss your sins onto someone else and erase personal responsibility.

Nah. I choose responsibility and a life of truly selfless good deeds that won't lead to the promise of living in a celestial amusement park or ruling over humanity as some sort of reward. Real love is selfless love. Not rewarded.

As if any of this hooey is even remotely true anyway.

a reply to: okrian

Again, I don’t think you fully comprehend the fooey, just think you do and want to share your ignorance re christianity

God indicates His relationship as a father, other places as a mother, distinguishing Himself a parent
A loving parent, a parent that does not want to judge “its” own children. Your concept of God is corrupted.

Jesus didn’t need to die, what Jesus wanted to do was show Gods love and the extent of that love in a way people would understand. Still people don’t get it.

I am glad you choose responsibility that is what God wants but, you have hurt people, destroyed, damaged and failed. You speed, get caught you get a fine, you face justice, it’s coming.
You be responsible and you be responsible for the harm you caused others, yourself, good, just know what it entails.

Jesus said, accept me and I will take responsibility for your failures because I love you, you will be with me and I will love you.
Scape goat, not entirely.
Parent helping out a child in trouble

But it’s hooey anyway so what do you Care?

a reply to: Raggedyman

This is why the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.

They don't understand the magnitude of sin and what it means and does to a person.
They think that, come judgement, they're going to bamboozle God with some arbitrary, knee-jerk emotional ploy, or moral relativism. Until they're shown the gravity of their sin and the true nature of their heart before a holy and just, righteous judge.

I don't believe in punishing people for sin, won't save them come judgement, just like telling a judge that you're sorry you murdered someone and now that you understand you're going to jail for 30 years, you really won't do it again. He'll punish you regardless.

The moral law, even our conscience, is a blessing, people can dull it over the years by ignoring the pleas of the holy spirit to do right.

Also, these people who say "I have done good things" don't understand that Jesus himself will say to them "Away from me, I never knew you, you workers of INIQUITY".
All our efforts come to nothing because we see through a glass but dimly. Pride . . . . .No wonder God hates it. If only people would humble themselves before the cross.

a reply to: VeeTNA

No one is good. No not one. By that statement alone, I know you're not ready.

You say you're good but you've broken Gods moral law. You ever stolen anything? Lied to anyone? Took Gods name in vain? Looked at someone with lust or been disobedient to your parents?

If yes to any, you're not good at all. No one is, not me either. We've all transgressed against the law and unlike in this life, a just judge awaits, he doesn't make mistakes.

You'll stand there as a lying, theiving, blasphemous adulterer at heart and claim to be 'good'. I don't think so.

The bible says there are NONE good, no not one.... are you the exception? If not, I suggest you need a good attorney and Christ Jesus is just that. In the courtroom of God he's your advocate and pays the fine. He can take your sin, all of it, and set you truly free. He said on the cross "It is finished" (meaning he paid for your sin in full). Please don't make the mistake of thinking you're 'good', you're not.

You need Christ like a plane jumper needs his parachute. Without Jesus you will answer for your own sin and you know what the punishment is. Dance around the subject all you want and intellectualise it, the same result will always hold true, you NEED that parachute.

Please put your trust in Jesus and repent of your sins. Live for God and talk with him daily, read the word and you'll see that what I'm saying is not a lie, nor am I condemning you, I was in the same position as you!

Its because I love you that i warn you. I have been where you are and it's so dangerous.

a reply to: Joneselius

No one is good. No not one. By that statement alone, I know you're not ready.

You misunderstood. I meant I'm good as in "I don't need more cake than I've already eaten." That kind of 'No, thank you, I'm all set.'

And regardless of what a monster you want me to believe I am, I'm already "right with God."

You, OTOH, know nothing about me. So save your "advice" for someone who's naive, weak and scared, eh? I'm not in that group. Know your audience.

a reply to: VeeTNA

If you're right with God you wouldn't be offended. My Audience is anyone who will listen.

You're right with God, okay, I doubt that.

Do you have a personal relationship with Christ and does the holy spirit guide your steps and actions, your thoughts and prayer life? If no, then you're not right with God.

a reply to: Joneselius

If you're right with God you wouldn't be offended.

I'm not offended.

My Audience is anyone who will listen.

Just because I read your posts doesn't mean I take you seriously.

You're right with God, okay, I doubt that.

*shrug* Makes no difference what you doubt or believe.

Do you have a personal relationship with Christ and does the holy spirit guide your steps and actions, your thoughts and prayer life? If no, then you're not right with God.

Seems you assume I don't. meh. Whether I do or not, your opinion of me also makes no difference.
Mind your own self and "don't judge others". It's not your place.
I'm not judging you.

But I observe: You're neither a great conversationalist nor convincing persuader.

How about this: Tell me your story! I'll listen, because it seems you'd like to share; tell me YOUR life all you like. Don't tell me MINE.

You aren't a fortune-teller, just a flawed human like all of us. So -- what happened to you? I could help you tweak your schtick and maybe be more helpful. Right now you aren't helping anyone.

originally posted by: Snarl
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God 'probably' doesn't care. The one time I had my wits about me and could formulate a question to put to the Almighty, I asked, "What do you want me to know?" God's response was, "Everything's alright." No paraphrasing there. Short, sweet, and to the point.

Interesting interaction here with the Divine, but I want to ask what the meaning of His answer "Everything's alright." was in your opinion? That you're doing just fine? I'm just curious.

Also weren't you more curious to know the answers about other questions as well? Did you stop your communication with Him at that point? I know He is open and enjoys the conversation with us, His children.

He speaks with me too, I ask Him different questions and He keeps notes about some of my questions, meaning that it's not the right time to get an answer at that moment and I usually get them later in different ways. The Almighty is careful when He talks to me, He speaks kindly and softly, so I don't get shocked in the process, but He's sometimes deservedly angry with me too. Those times are "run for the hills" moments.

God is real. If you want to know what He wants from _you_ ... find Him. Ask Him yourself.

Exactly!

originally posted by: miri2019
Interesting interaction here with the Divine, but I want to ask what the meaning of His answer "Everything's alright." was in your opinion? That you're doing just fine? I'm just curious.

I'm assuming here that your communication with Him is exactly like mine is. I feel God when he is present. He has never 'started' anything with me other than that. My vision gets wonky when he's around too.

The first time I was just surprised. Totally unprepared. Almost didn't know what happened ... like getting hit from behind by a car you don't see or hear. The second time, I was also surprised, but it was an enduring encounter. Before it was over I thought to ask. I wanted to ask something that wouldn't fall into the inappropriate category. Thus, "What do you want me to know?" You know you don't hear the spoken word. His words are put into you ... like they're being spoken ... but, anything but. You 'get' the meaning, but you 'hear' the words he uses. What he meant was, "Don't worry ("fret" might be a better substitution). Everything is the way it is. Nothing you do (or have done) is consequential (to me).

Also weren't you more curious to know the answers about other questions as well? Did you stop your communication with Him at that point?

I only had one encounter with him after that. Also unexpected. That encounter wasn't for 'my benefit'. It was to open the eyes of another person (in my opinion). When she 'got it' (what was happening), she handled every part of it so much better than I ever did.

He speaks with me too, I ask Him different questions and He keeps notes about some of my questions, meaning that it's not the right time to get an answer at that moment and I usually get them later in different ways. The Almighty is careful when He talks to me, He speaks kindly and softly, so I don't get shocked in the process, but He's sometimes deservedly angry with me too. Those times are "run for the hills" moments.

The fella that took me to meet God has a relationship more akin to what you attest. He doesn't talk to me though. I'm totally satisfied in Knowing that God's existence isn't BS. Not some gray-haired figure up in the sky like George Carlin describes.

You can tell people these things ... and know they are gonna turn-around and speak badly of you behind your back. I'm at an age where I just don't care what people have to say about me. And God? I'm not going to bug him any more than I intend to sit and listen to some ignorant guy who thinks he's a preacher. And, as for preachers, I know there are some 'real ones' out there. There are far too many pretenders out there who just want to pull down some little boy's pants.

originally posted by: Snarl
The first time I was just surprised. Totally unprepared. Almost didn't know what happened ... like getting hit from behind by a car you don't see or hear. The second time, I was also surprised, but it was an enduring encounter. Before it was over I thought to ask. I wanted to ask something that wouldn't fall into the inappropriate category. Thus, "What do you want me to know?" You know you don't hear the spoken word. His words are put into you ... like they're being spoken ... but, anything but. You 'get' the meaning, but you 'hear' the words he uses. What he meant was, "Don't worry ("fret" might be a better substitution). Everything is the way it is. Nothing you do (or have done) is consequential (to me).

Glad that you got a good answer from God!

That's usually how the Almighty comes to me as well, unexpectedly. Also I concur with your subtle experience, that His words are spoken through my mental voice, so if I stop thinking, His stream of words stops as well and He pushes me to keep thinking. However I can confidently attest that He speaks with His own voice as well, sort of with a different one in different situations. This experience is decidedly more astonishing and completely out of this world, hard to forget.

It's great that you calibrated your question, God likes it when His children think carefully before asking something and pushes them to not be lazy in their thinking. A few times He has displayed His displeasure at my low level of elaboration when talking to Him and some other times He has told me to "not yell in His presence". The quieter the environment is, the better and longer the conversation with the Divine is.

The fella that took me to meet God has a relationship more akin to what you attest. He doesn't talk to me though. I'm totally satisfied in Knowing that God's existence isn't BS. Not some gray-haired figure up in the sky like George Carlin describes.

Very good that you're clear and at peace about the existence of God, many people don't have that fact figured out yet. With that said, He displays Himself in many different appearances, to me mostly as a tough old man and in a few cases as an old tough woman as well.

And God? I'm not going to bug him any more than I intend to sit and listen to some ignorant guy who thinks he's a preacher. And, as for preachers, I know there are some 'real ones' out there. There are far too many pretenders out there who just want to pull down some little boy's pants.

Let me slightly differ with you on this point and please don't take it as if I'm pushing you. The Divine is open to talk with His children anytime. In my opinion you have a great chance to establish a solid relationship with the Divine, use this opportunity. You're gonna learn things completely out of this world, not to mention the other very important point about your own being, that you're gonna solidify your own path towards real salvation, the one beyond this current life. And that little voice that spoke to you, is the real voice of salvation.

Add to that, that one is constantly helped, protected, guided. There's also clues that God gives me regarding the political-economical-financial fronts as well, staying "updated" on the main events of today's world, so to speak. He even pushes me when it's time to buy a new phone, a new car, computer and so on. One day, just recently, being an audiophile that I am, He gave me a beautiful short musical tune, a 4-notes one which if I knew any musical instrument I could have made it into a song now.


My own experience with the Almighty has not been always peachy though. After I separated from Him long time ago, it took time for me to re-establish the communication with Him. For a being the relationship with God is the most important part of their whole *existence*. The God's voice in a being's mind and his salvation are inextricably related to each other.

When I talk about these things I know that many will look down on me, but I don't care. I have full permission from God to talk about these things and I enjoy doing so. There are many other things as well which I might disclose in due time and place.

Good post Snarl!

a reply to: Claymation213

1. Well I might as well just say I'm a gnostic because it tempting too, no, the false god wouldnt, while the true didnt very much care.

2. Singularities, and books. Science books are bigger an have pictures, that they have to be more right then the religious scriptures...cept for Hindu, the got over a 100,000 gods.

The amount of semantics would drive one insane.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: vethumanbeing
I am coming from the christian perspective, I don’t know where you are coming from.
Use the force, whatever, I havnt been privileged to your beliefs. I am guessing some mixture of Judeo christianity and gnostic beliefs.

I don't have a belief system as was never indoctrinated (cornered/bullied) into thinking one was any better than another.

Raggedyman: God the christian God didn’t teach respect, God taught love, as different as covenant and law.
Love overrides and out does respect Do no harm, that’s subjective.

What makes you think God is a Christian God any more than it is a Hindu, Muslim, Shinto etc ad nauseum...

VHB: Why would God put restraints on His own being?

Raggedyman: Easy, love. Same reason parents let their children skateboard, because they have to take a few bumps to learn, explore and get better It’s called growing up

That statement is patronizing. By all means let the grownup 'children' construct their nuclear defended tommy gun forts and chocolate milk petri dish experiments (we are trusted enough not to destroy ourselves).

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Raggedyman: I think Leviticus describes the laws very clearly, no questions about that
Yes, others were added by the religious leaders but Leviticus was the book of the Mosaic laws.

Again; who is Leviticus to dictate anything to another individual soul incarnated here to experience its own growth?