The Asian Flu and the Hong Kong flu were just as bad as CoVid-19 100,000 dead each

If not worse it depends on how this one plays out.

Even if CV ends up with 150,000 . It shows Covid 19 was a huge overreaction by the democrats and their media.

In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths were 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

Asian flu

We survived this and a second wave in 1957 that under went a antigenic shift before petering out into a seasonal flu in 1958.

In 1957 the US population was around 127 million. So we can double these numbers for comparison to CoVid 19. Call it 200,000 dead . Yet it’s no more than a blip in history , to the point most people have never heard of it.

Which makes it another example of how the politicians and the media are blowing everything out of proportion..

With thebHong Kong flu there is some disagreement on the number .

Besides that pretty much everything I said above applies to this.

The 1968 pandemic was caused by an influenza A (H3N2) virus comprised of two genes from an avian influenza A virus, including a new H3 hemagglutinin, but also contained the N2 neuraminidase from the 1957 H2N2 virus. It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older. The H3N2 virus continues to circulate worldwide as a seasonal influenza A virus. Seasonal H3N2 viruses, which are associated with severe illness in older people, undergo regular antigenic drift.?

Hong Kong

a reply to: Fallingdown

Don't know how many times this is needs saying but clearly it does. With the flu strains people weren't hospitalised in their hundreds and thousands and dying by drowning in their own lung juice!! Their blood counts weren't dropping to in the 20s and 30s and people weren't asymptomatic infecting thousands of others. The problem with covid-19 is the speed at which it infects and kills and hospitals weren't prepared to cope with such huge numbers at the same time. There are treatments for flu and established protocols....covid-19 is new disease and as yet no one course of treatment has been established.

a reply to: Fallingdown

Which makes it another example of how the politicians and the media are blowing everything out of proportion..

Their strong pandemicism is annoying you and you believe it to be a ruse.

The markets don't reflect what you're saying .

I get it OP. When those “flus” were new, they weren’t initially understood either, just like COVID19 now. I suspect the suffering and deaths back then were just as terrifying as the COVID19 ones now, until science caught up to the cause/prevention/cure. Then there’s the fact that hospitalizing people and indicating cause of death as one particular reason to get lots of Federal dollars wasn’t big business back then.

And to take your hypothesis one step further, based on world population numbers in 1957 and 1968, those earlier pandemics affected a much larger percentage of the population.

Well, and in 1957 and 1968 we didn’t have social media to terrorize the masses!

a reply to: Fallingdown

The numbers when dealing with COVID-19 coming out of certain states in America are B.S. Numbers; N.Y. ranks right at the top for B.S. number game IMO. Get hit by a truck "COVID-19" commit arkanscide with a bullet to the brain, "COVID-19" .. Notice how the doom and gloom are coming out of the democratic controlled blue states for the most part...

I do know this unless I am on my death bed I will not be taking any Gates sponsored miracle cure.

a reply to: Fallingdown
You could also add the 1976 swine flu debacle...

Covid-19 is far worse because your overlords say so. Accept it and move on.

Asian flu CFR 0.67%
RO 1.06–2.06 first wave to 1.21–3.58. Second wave


HK RO 0.5%
HK fluRO 1.06–2.06 to 1.21–3.58

My links are to the CDC and keep showing up 404’d

a reply to: Fallingdown
Covid 19 is a bio weapon. That makes it impossible to compare with previous pandemics.

Don't know how many times this is needs saying but clearly it does.

Actually you might think about changing it .

. With the flu strains people weren't hospitalised in their hundreds and thousands and dying by drowning in their own lung juice!!

So you’re telling me the current victims don’t have a virus that leads to a respiratory infection which kills them from pneumonia?

Their blood counts weren't dropping to in the 20s and 30s and people weren't asymptomatic

When people have a severe case of the flu their blood pressure drops. Because of damage to the lungs from pneumonia which is why they do the blood test .

Most studies say 1/3 of all flu patients are asymptomatic.

The problem with covid-19 is the speed at which it infects and kills and hospitals weren't prepared to cope with such huge numbers at the same time. There are treatments for flu and established protocols....covid-19 is new disease and as yet no one course of treatment has been established.

They certainly weren’t anywhere near as well equipped or prepared back in the 1950s.

You should know that if you had ever read anything at all on the Asian flu . You would’ve seen the similarities match them up about as well as AOC and Edith Bunker .

With the exception that the Asian and Hong Kong flus have a higher death rate and most likely a higher RO.

I’m not saying you but somebody always join’s these threads without reading the OP. Then they accuse me of saying Covid 19 is a hoax.

Well I’m going to make this clear right now. I don’t think it’s a hoax. It’s a very nasty virus that is going to kill a lot of people. But it’s not a super pandemic. It’s not bad enough to run in fear to the governments arms for protection. Which more than likely will end up hurting us in the long run because of lack of immunity . We don’t have to lock our self in our houses and emerge to a 1930s version of the USA There’s a ulterior motive for the panic there is still laying in the people gullible enough to believe the main stream media.

a reply to: Lab4Us

It’s a truly amazing what they’ve done. I’m truly embarrassed for the conservatives who are buying into the liberal media’s lies .

The MSM had been trying to find a way to get conservatives to watch. Now they’ve finally done it.But I am relieved to see people in the street. Many conservatives are figuring it out and walking away anyway .

The last few weeks I’ve been trying to figure out Coumo’s tricks for Great state of New York .

Why are people dying there and only there in such huge numbers ?

His butchers bill is almost mathematically impossible.

A lot of people in the media talk about exponential growth .

The reporters talk about exponential growth. The only exponential growth I see is coming out of the peoples Republic of New York .

You were right about the cash. Around $19,000 per for uninsured patients in $39,000 if they go into ICU. I looked up some statistics for people with insurance. For them it could run four to $8000 a day and for a stay in the ICU around $250,000 . Depending on your plan The article said it would average around 20% out-of-pocket .


He has basically turned every retirement community into a hospice .

Somethings going on there and it’s a little scary to think about .

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Fallingdown

Don't know how many times this is needs saying but clearly it does. With the flu strains people weren't hospitalised in their hundreds and thousands and dying by drowning in their own lung juice!! Their blood counts weren't dropping to in the 20s and 30s and people weren't asymptomatic infecting thousands of others. The problem with covid-19 is the speed at which it infects and kills and hospitals weren't prepared to cope with such huge numbers at the same time. There are treatments for flu and established protocols....covid-19 is new disease and as yet no one course of treatment has been established.

Oh c'mon, don't let the facts get in the way of a flashy OP title and some text relating to completely different viruses

They saw how easy it was to completely freak out Progressive Liberals just because a President was elected.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Fallingdown

Don't know how many times this is needs saying but clearly it does. With the flu strains people weren't hospitalised in their hundreds and thousands and dying by drowning in their own lung juice!! Their blood counts weren't dropping to in the 20s and 30s and people weren't asymptomatic infecting thousands of others. The problem with covid-19 is the speed at which it infects and kills and hospitals weren't prepared to cope with such huge numbers at the same time. There are treatments for flu and established protocols....covid-19 is new disease and as yet no one course of treatment has been established.

The reality though is that there haven't been over run hospitals... empty hospital boats. empty field hospitals. empty hospitals across the country.

a reply to: Edumakated

But they were over-run and at breaking point in Spain & Italy and elsewhere and in the UK there were clusters where hospitals couldn't cope and didn't have the equipment hence the alleged need for Nightingale Hospitals which in the end, weren't needed but were there just in case

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: Lab4Us

He has basically turned every retirement community into a hospice .

Somethings going on there and it’s a little scary to think about .

Agreed. And I’m surprised there isn’t more talk/speculation here about artificial population control and the groups that would benefit from it. I’m thinking we will eventually see way worse fatality numbers from third world countries.

I’ve really not seen an overall breakout of age of US fatalities...but if it’s like I think it is, that’s a lot of recouped entitlements fir the US government.

Another data point I’d like to see is how many homeless/addicts are in NYCs numbers.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

The markets don't reflect what you're saying .

You must not have looked in a while. Yes they plummeted at first but coincidently right around the time the protesters hit the streets. They started on their way up .

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Fallingdown

Don't know how many times this is needs saying but clearly it does. With the flu strains people weren't hospitalised in their hundreds and thousands and dying by drowning in their own lung juice!! Their blood counts weren't dropping to in the 20s and 30s and people weren't asymptomatic infecting thousands of others. The problem with covid-19 is the speed at which it infects and kills and hospitals weren't prepared to cope with such huge numbers at the same time. There are treatments for flu and established protocols....covid-19 is new disease and as yet no one course of treatment has been established.

Oh c'mon, don't let the facts get in the way of a flashy OP title and some text relating to completely different viruses

Name one “Fact” that doesn’t coincide with the symptoms/outcome of the Asian or Hong Kong flu .

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Now there’s something I’d be interested in. I haven’t been able to find pics any real good examples of hospitals being overwhelmed in Italy .


I found stuff like this . Some of which repeat appears cropped or taken from different angles and distances . Well I haven’t seen any solid pictures or discussion .












On the other hand here’s the Asian flu 1957. Confirm by reverse image search. I’m pretty sure that if things were this bad. The liberal media would hire mercenaries for a surgical strike if need be . To get pictures like this . Lol

But I could be wrong on this .

Remember pics or it didn’t happen .

originally posted by: Fallingdown
If not worse it depends on how this one plays out.

Even if CV ends up with 150,000 . It shows Covid 19 was a huge overreaction by the democrats and their media.

In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths were 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.

Asian flu

The comparisons wouldn't even be close without the lock downs. That is the big ingredient missing from your "Ruse' recipe. Had we gone on with life like they had back then we would be looking at a few million dead Americans.

We survived this and a second wave in 1957 that under went a antigenic shift before petering out into a seasonal flu in 1958.

In 1957 the US population was around 127 million. So we can double these numbers for comparison to CoVid 19. Call it 200,000 dead . Yet it’s no more than a blip in history , to the point most people have never heard of it.

Which makes it another example of how the politicians and the media are blowing everything out of proportion..

With thebHong Kong flu there is some disagreement on the number .

Besides that pretty much everything I said above applies to this.

The 1968 pandemic was caused by an influenza A (H3N2) virus comprised of two genes from an avian influenza A virus, including a new H3 hemagglutinin, but also contained the N2 neuraminidase from the 1957 H2N2 virus. It was first noted in the United States in September 1968. The estimated number of deaths was 1 million worldwide and about 100,000 in the United States. Most excess deaths were in people 65 years and older. The H3N2 virus continues to circulate worldwide as a seasonal influenza A virus. Seasonal H3N2 viruses, which are associated with severe illness in older people, undergo regular antigenic drift.?

Hong Kong

Somebody mentioned it 5he other night on the He's Whale show who was around in 1968. They said they carried on working through the year nobody even talked about it press hardly mentioned it and everyone just did their daily grind while it killed twice the amount Corona gas killed here in Britain, 80,000 deaths happened in that year but the chap said they had hair on their chests back then