UFO FBT Research.

Don't know if you agree with Nick Redfern's comments below about flying black triangles not being 'secret aircraft' but there does appear to be quite a lot of FBT sightings which go way back before the 80s/90s and there's also relevant info about National Archives research and British MOD documents declassified under the 'thirty years ruling'.

Given that they exist then suppose the idea that flying triangular objects are man made is a colossal conspiracy within itself but suppose it's also fair to say that after all these years the identity of the agency behind it all still remains a complete mystery and the tech involved still hasn't been displayed in any military arena by any government that we know of today.

Flying Triangles: Not “Secret Aircraft”

I recently had an interesting debate with a fellow researcher of the UFO phenomenon, on the topic of that one particular type of UFO that has become known as the “Flying Triangle.” When the conversation got going, it didn’t take long before I was assured that (in words broadly like the following): “They’re just military aircraft, and still classified. But one day they will be unveiled for us all to see – just like what happened with the Stealth fighter and the Stealth bomber.”

Frankly, I get tired of people assuming – often without doing any deep research – that the FTs are domestic in origin. The reason why they reach that conclusion is actually very simple. There seems to be an assumption on the part of many in Ufology that the Triangles are phenomena that have only been seen since the 1980s onwards. Or, at the very earliest, the late 70s. Now, if that was the case, then yes, of course, an argument could be made that these craft are (a) ours; (b) still-classified; and (c) far in advance of the aforementioned Stealth aircraft.

Unfortunately for those who prefer to see the Flying Triangles as vehicles of the military and nothing else, there is a major problem: reports of craft identical to those seen today date back more than sixty years.

The issue here is that the “Flying Triangles are ours and ours alone” meme is one that has been fully embraced by lazy souls who simply will not look at the bigger, historical picture. If they did, their views might change – and change significantly, too.

link

Turns out that, like other shaped UFOs, FBT reports are also global in nature and there's been quite a number of remarkable sightings from other countries - also some interesting South American documents discussed here and specific research conducted below from places like Argentina (where apparently they're 'nothing new').

Controversial Flying Triangles.

These flying devices are nothing new in the domestic case histories, and therefore, worldwide ones as well. Their true origin has been, and remains, the cause of major debate in UFO forums. It is an overwhelming phenomenon to someone like Diego, not versed in the subject and caught unawares.

The first case involving a flying triangle over Argentina can be dated, according to our exclusive UFO database - which holds information on 5500 cases starting in 1947 - to the year night 1958 in Mendoza, when 'a strange black aircraft' was seen descending in the vicinity of the El Plumerillo Airport. Since then, we have been able to earmark some very interesting characteristics, as follows:


- One hundred thirty reports of triangular, boomerang-shaped, flying wing or arrowhead-shaped objects fill our dossier.

- They are mostly large in size;

- Their color is predominantly black;

- 95% of their incursions are nocturnal;

- Their movements are variable, as we have description of slow, moderate, swift and even supersonic flight.

- 70% of their manifestations occurred in absolute silence. No noise, buzzing or rumbling was heard at all.

- The duration of their flight is not extensive. Their transit is short-to-medium in the travel that has been observed.

- A slight number of episodes hint at landings or near-landings by these craft.

- 95% of the evens suggest that these triangles fly alone.


From the 1950s to the 1980s, we only have 17 reports. The massive increase occurs in the 1990s, with 21 reported sightings. During the first decade of the 21st century, the investigated cases totaled 36 and the maximum increase, up to now, was in the 2010s, with the uncanny number of 51 reports.

In this newly-commenced decade, we are starting to receive the first episodes of these mysterious devices that fly over our heads with impunity.

Inexplicata-The Journal of Hispanic Ufology

Despite triangular UFO flight behaviour being described as silent, nocturnal and low altitude, witnesses also describe the objects as being capable of extremely rapid acceleration and sharp turns at high speed

They also (are reported to) have some other bizarre characteristics like 'blunt-end-forward' movement, detachable lights/objects and the generation of 'light beams' and EM effects.

• Also certain incidents involving larger objects releasing smaller triangular ones so god knows what's going on there.

Researcher David Marler has done some sterling work on the FBT subject and after a long time spent rummaging through various newsclipping archives and UFO report databases he presents his findings below - great watch.

Since the early to mid-1980s, there have been an ever-increasing number of UFO reports involving triangular-shaped objects. To many people this seemed like a new development in the field of UFOlogy. Indeed, the majority of UFO sightings that have been documented over the last 50+ years involved a multitude of shapes, sizes, and colors. In comparison to other UFO shapes reported, triangular objects were a relative minority.

Marler was amazed to find numerous cases worldwide spanning the last 60+ years that involved triangular-shaped UFOs. He felt it was important to share this material, since many people were dismissing this particular subset of UFO reports as secret military aircraft.

These same individuals are erroneously implying that these craft are something relatively new in our skies. He has established that reports of these objects are nothing new and that similar objects have been reported worldwide at least as far back as 1936.

Also, that these UFOs have consistently displayed similar physical attributes and flight dynamics that strongly argues against the notion that these are “new” military aircraft.Featured speaker at MUFON Symposium.

Aso some flight characteristics as noted by Marler in his book 'Triangular UFOs: An Estimate of the Situation' (sourced by Bigfootgurl).

 TRIANGULAR UFO CHARACTERISTICS

PRIMARY 

- Beams of light emitted 
- Three bright lights (one at each point) 
- Large size 
- Ability to hover 
- Ability to make flat turns 
- Silent flight 
- Slow speed 
- Low altitude flight 
- Sharp turns at high speed 
- Rapid accelleration 

SECONDARY 

- Associated sounds 
- Observed with non-triangular UFOs 
- Electromagnetic (EM) effects 
- Multiple triangular UFOs 
- Colored (glowing) underside 
- Erratic movement 
- Blunt-end-forward movement 
- Detachable lights/objects 
- Shape shifting 
- Superstructure obs

Interview

Thought all of Bob Pratt's UFO research had been removed from the internet but apparently not - below is a nice collection of 'flying triangle' reports from around the globe collated from news sources, CUFOS / MUFON archives and personal interviews.

This is a collection of nearly two hundred sightings of triangular, diamond or boomerang-shaped objects that I put together in 1990 in cooperation with the Belgian UFO research group SOBEPS.

For some years I had believed that huge triangular UFOs were being seen rather often in the United States and other countries, but it was only when the Belgian flap occurred that I decided to see how many other cases I could find. The result was the list below.

The majority of the reports are from newspaper stories, most of them printed in the UFO Newsclipping Service. I also found a number of triangular reports in newspaper stories published in South America that were translated and passed on to me by Jane Thomas Guma. Jane, then living in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and now living in Glendale, Arizona, shared this information with a number of other researchers in the United States as well.

Other sources for the reports below include the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS), the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), and my own investigations (Pratt). In this list, if the country is not given, the incident occurred in the United States. In American sightings, references to “football field" size means roughly 140 yards in length and about 70 in width (the playing field is actually 100 yards long and 53 wide, but end zones and sidelines are included in this description.)

This compilation is not meant to be a record of all triangular sightings during these years. No one knows how many there have been. This list is offered only as an indication of what has been happening. It is very possible that many more such sightings were made that were not reported to the publications and organizations that were available to me.


• Full list - 'More Than 30 Years Of Triangoe Sightings'.

Index

  

Apparently Bob was initially sceptical but came to 'believe in UFOs' after interviewing over 60 witnesses in one week - since then he travelled across the U.S. and Canada and to countries like Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Puerto Rico, Peru, Uruguay, Japan and the Philippines interviewing over 2000 UFO witnesses (he went to Brazil 14 times and concluded that UFO encounters there were 'often more hostile and harmful than anywhere else in the world').

• The Bob Pratt Files - Scrib doc:

The Bob Pratt Files



Not all triangle reports appear to describe similar appearance either - this one was said to have a big hole in it.

Jacksonville / Atlantic Ocean - October 27th, 1967 

Suddenly, a soft green light was all over our cockpit. At the very instant of collision, ...the craft made an unbanked 180 degree turn, remained ahead for a few seconds and then took off and disappeared like a flash bulb. At least two of the witnesses agreed that the huge object was a gray equilateral triangle, each side at least 200 feet long and twenty feet thick. Its outer edges were very smooth and sharply defined (with no rivets, doors, antennae, windows, etc.) while at its center there was a triangular-shaped opening or hole large enough to fly through. It flew with one side directly forward

Sourced by Isaac Koi - pages 57/58.

Aviation Safety in America - A Previously Neglected Factor (PDF File)

Also relevant:

Free Download: "On Pilots and UFOs” by Dr Willy Smith

British researcher Omar Fowler also conducted some great work on triangular UFOs and there's a link to some of his findings below.

"THE FLYING TRIANGLE MYSTERY"

The first of a two-part report detailing sightings of the mysterious "Flying Triangles", many outside the United States, as authored and complied by Omar Fowler, founder of the Phenomenon Research Association in DerbyShire, United Kingdom. This compilation looks at flying triangle sightings around the world and brings to our attention many sightings which have taken place over England.

Omar Fowler, a researcher of the UFO phenomenon for over 30 years, is Director of "The Flying Saucer Review"

Scrib doc

Research links:

NUFORC Triangle Reports

UFO Triangle RESEARCH & EDUCATION

Black Triangles - UFO Evidence

UFOLOGIE Casebook

I like the eyewitness accounts of people shooting at them, sometimes resulting in a guy poking his head out of a hatch telling them to knock it off.

Repeated sightings of the same basic design (unlike typical UFO sightings) make me think they're "ours.".

Astr0, are you monitoring?

a reply to: karl 12

Once saw one, giant ship, it was black it had these amazing shining red geometric patterns in the bottom, it moved towards me in a spiralling down type of way, once it was very close i started to duck and cover, was looking for shelter, looked back up, and it was gone.

Still do not know how to feel about that incident, it felt so unreal, but still it was powerful enough as an experience that i almost ruined my pants.



-Oh, and if that thing was made by humans, then we might as well accept that planet earth is just colony number 89945, and we have no clue what`s really going on.


One more strange thing about it was/is that something in my brain is trying to say- Shut up about it-, and that is weird because i have no problems talking about strange and weird things.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

Repeated sightings of the same basic design (unlike typical UFO sightings) make me think they're "ours.".

Thanks for the very prompt reply and suppose people do naturally assume that (despite that assumption being a colossal conspiracy within itself) - thought the opening article about 'flying triangles not being ours' was a relevant one.

The issue here is that the “Flying Triangles are ours and ours alone” meme is one that has been fully embraced by lazy souls who simply will not look at the bigger, historical picture.

Actually a lot of different 'designs' reported if you look at the content - any actual thoughts on the historical and global aspect?

Marler was amazed to find numerous cases worldwide spanning the last 60+ years that involved triangular-shaped UFOs. He felt it was important to share this material, since many people were dismissing this particular subset of UFO reports as secret military aircraft. 

These same individuals are erroneously implying that these craft are something relatively new in our skies. He has established that reports of these objects are nothing new and that similar objects have been reported worldwide at least as far back as 1936. 

originally posted by: Blue Shift

Astr0, are you monitoring?

Lots of people monitoring lol

a reply to: solve

Appreciate the reply mate and I've read a lot of comments very similar to yours over the years - was also put in mind of an incident mentioned in this series of interviews.

link

Also thought Sherpa's thread was a relevant one.

280 Drawings of unidentified flying objects investigated by MUFON-CES

Cheers.

a reply to: karl 12

Since late March I've been getting a lot of FBT reports in Canada.
Southern Ontario to be exact.
All in the vicinity of the Darlington Nuclear plant

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: karl 12

Once saw one, giant ship, it was black it had these amazing shining red geometric patterns in the bottom, it moved towards me in a spiralling down type of way, once it was very close i started to duck and cover, was looking for shelter, looked back up, and it was gone.

One more strange thing about it was/is that something in my brain is trying to say- Shut up about it-, and that is weird because i have no problems talking about strange and weird things.

Those cases are intriguing for sure when you feel compelled to not tell anyone as if something put that in your mind. My brother and dad had a sighting like that except in their case, when prodded to reveal more details of their sighting they had trouble concentrating to remember, and would be silent while trying to think about it.

This effect still follows them whenever they try to remember more specific details of the object. (In their case it was rectangular and very huge with multiple sections in parallel connected by 90 degree beams. Also hundreds of multi colored lights all over the thing. Went from horizon to horizon in 20 seconds and out of sight.

Really awesome thread! I miss Astr0!
Lots of Good Information

originally posted by: Macenroe82

All in the vicinity of the Darlington Nuclear plant

Thanks for sharing that and always had a close interest in the nuclear connection - seems the AEC were sending out questionnaires so guess they did as well.

When it comes to triangular UFOs then always wondered what happened to the missing security camera footage from the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor during the 1984 flap - apparently all radio recordings also went missing after a visit by the U.S.N.C.

Also quite a few British reports involving power stations and even some triangular UFOs coming out of the sea (link) - quite a lot of FBT activity also reported from places such as Cheshire, Derby, Swansea, Lincolnshire, Hertfordshire etc. and thought researcher David Cayton brought up some intriguing pilot accounts below about huge triangular shadows being cast on the ground.



Cheers.

originally posted by: karl 12

TRIANGULAR UFO CHARACTERISTICS

PRIMARY 

- Beams of light emitted 
- Three bright lights (one at each point) 
- Large size 
- Ability to hover 
- Ability to make flat turns 
- Silent flight 
- Slow speed 
- Low altitude flight 
 

Wonderfully informative thread, Karl, and as you probably know, one close to my heart - or should I say my 'sweetheart' since my wife's experience with one of these pesky buggers as a teenager arguably led to my more comprehensive interest in UFOs generally. I believe she saw what she saw (backed up by having a friend next to her, which always helps!), although I can't jump to firm conclusions about its origins. She, however, almost casually accepts it was not man-made, that aliens have visited us, and carries on with her day, ufology being of no interest to her. Which kind of puts me in my place!

"Wasn't this earth-shattering for you to discover we are definitely not alone?" I'd ask.
"Don't be silly. So what? It's a big universe after all."
"But, but, but...." etc.

All of the characteristics quoted above apply to her own event, which she and her mate found absolutely terrifying at the time, prompting them to scarper rather than hang around gawping. The pencil beams of light scanning the area were a trigger for panicking, as well as the football-field size as it glided overhead - it covered two-thirds of the visible sky above the park, so pretty low, too. Particularly strange was how out of place it seemed - which sounds silly, but she sensed it had "come from nowhere". No news reports followed, and she more or less forgot about the sighting - which is odd in itself until a mid-90s TV documentary about the Belgium flap brought it all flooding back.

Last year, she wondered if undergoing regression might help, but that was just a momentary idea; I doubt she was being serious. But it reminded me of her thoughts whilst seeing the beams of light, being convinced that they were searching for "animals" in the area. Why on earth would that occur to her? I suppose strange thoughts go hand-in-hand with strange events.

I still need to watch a couple of the videos in the OP, but thanks again for such an important, intriguing thread.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Well thanks for sharing the sighting from your good lady wife mate - quite a compelling one and when it comes to FBTs it really does make you wonder just how many go unreported.

Hope you both watch that Marler presentation with some nice popcorn.



Do remember a pretty insane phone call to Bob Gribble from an alleged CIA reconnaissance pilot (name given) when he was manning the NUFORC hotline - very close range description and although the transcript is linked below, it's well worth listening to the man's voice.

Recording number 242

242: 12.06.1977 Between Tokyo and Hawaii at 60,000 Feet

Naval Intelligence pilot flying reconnaissance for CIA, encounters a large triangular craft that paces his F4-11 Phantom for approximately a half-hour. Object was dark in color with no protrusions, lights or outward propulsion system and its surface appearance like foam rubber. Target pasted solidly on plane's radar. Plane was in excess of Mach 2.2 and the object stayed within 50 feet off the left wing of the aircraft.

Re: Case 237 above for comparison of surface feature. 18:30

Research Recordings

Transcript / Thread

Cheers.

I flagged this for later reading, as the Triangles have interested me since the late 1980s. I have seen one, only once and quite fleetingly, as I looked at the Moon through binoculars. A gliding, black wedge with rounded corners and two small fins on the rear, trailing edge. It was in sharp focus, as was the Moon, which tells me it was possibly in space. This took place in the late 1990s and lasted maybe a mere five seconds but it is etched in my memory forever.

Great thread.

I've been lucky enough to witness 2.

The first time I was walking with my partner. Is is completely skeptical of anything, I pointed up and was like "well?". A perfectly quiet black triangle with 3 white round lights, one in each corner. Perfectly quiet and moving rather slow. This was if an evening.

The second time was not that long ago. I was driving home, following traffic slowly and looked up. There it was again, but they time the nose/front of this aircraft was titled slightly upwards with the rear downwards. Again it was moving silently and smoothly. The same 2 white lights on the rear but the front light was red. I have never tried to get my phone off the dashboard so quick.

a reply to: karl 12

I find it interesting that the F4 was operating at max speed and max altitude during this 30 min encounter. Not sure if 30 min at max “burn” would limit his ability to hit waypoints for refueling if flying from Tokyo to Hawaii (4,000 miles).

Anyway. Just seems off to me.

originally posted by: PilSungMtnMan

the F4 was operating at max speed and max altitude during this 30 min encounter.

Thanks for the input and to be fair he does state that it could have been '20 minutes or a half an hour' but I see your point - do you not read this part of the transcript as if he was altering his speed or slowing down?

I wanted to speed up and get around him, too, to see what the other side of this thing looked like, but I could not outrun him, he could slow down and speed up as fast as I could. A Phantom can go from 2.2 Mach to 50 miles an hour in about 10 seconds, that's how fast and you couldn't slow down if you wanted to, and I tried that and he was still just as fast.

link

The pilot states he held a position as Captain in Naval intelligence and does sound pretty knowledgeable about aircraft capabilities and radar/weapon systems - guess we'll never know but regarding the UFO encounter also found it intriguing that Navy Approach Control 'didn't seem to care'.

When it comes to UFOs and Naval Intelligence there's also another aircraft incident from around that same (admittedly huge) area of ocean described in the thread below - apparently it sparked an official O.N.I. investigation in 1952 but the contents are still classified.

2000MPH UFO Incident Sparks U.S. Navy UFO Investigation

originally posted by: fromtheskydown

I flagged this for later reading, as the Triangles have interested me since the late 1980s.

Thanks for adding your sighting mate and thought the Marler vid was a very revealing one - haven't read his book yet but he does cite the NICAP Evidence Report in his research:

A synthesis is presented of data concerning Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) reported during the past 20 years through governmental, press and private channels. The serious evidence is clarified and analyzed. The data are reported by categories of specially trained observers and studied by patterns of appearance, performance and periodic recurrence.

The UFO Evidence published by NICAP

Am currently reading some pretty crazy FBT eyewitness accounts from South Africa but does look like most countries generate triangular / boomerang UFO reports - below are some from Poland during 2013-14:

Wave of Flying Triangles and Boomerangs Over Poland: UFOs or Secret NATO Crafts?

In 2013-14 Polish UFO researchers received numerous reports about unidentified aerial devices in form of triangles and boomerangs. Being silent, often camouflaged and active only at night, those objects were breaking basic safety rules and posing potential danger to citizens. Numerous anomalous elements mentioned by witnesses are paired with fact that most sightings took place in vicinity of large military installations. That arise question whether we deal with something of human origin, connected with civil war on Ukraine or the new face of UFO phenomenon.

Increased activity of triangular/boomerang-shaped UFOs in Poland began in the spring 2013 although occasional sightings of the same characteristics took place in earlier years. A debate about origins of those objects was born amongst Polish UFO researchers. Unfortunately mainstream TV, press and officials (both civil and military) keep silent despite fact that many incidents took place in close vicinity of military installations and some witnesses were of army background.



Summary of Sightings:

The following summary lists the most interesting sightings of triangular/boomerang-shaped UFOs from period 2013-2014 and includes also four earlier cases worth of attention. They were reported to: Piotr Cielebias and Michał Kusnierz, Arkadiusz Miazga, Damian Trela, Arkadiusz Kocik and Bogdan Zabielski. The summary was compiled from reports and witness accounts published or archived by mentioned researchers.



• Sandomierz (swietokrzyskie), October 31st 2008, 6:10 pm

• Wikłow area, (lodzkie), September 16th 2010, 22:30:

• Poznan, Lazarz district (wielkopolskie), February 14th, 6 pm

• Hrubieszow (lubelskie), August 20th 2011, before 5 pm

• Biala (dolnoslaskie), April 2013, evening

• Lubliniec (slaskie), August 3rd 2013, ~ 10 pm

• Losice (mazowieckie), August 3rd 2013, ~ 10 pm

• Dobrzykowice (dolnoslaskie), August 3rd 2013, ~ 11 pm

• Elizowka (lubelskie), August 14th 2013

• Pabianice (lodzkie), October 13th 2013, midnight:

• Goldap (warminsko-mazurskie), April 26th 2013, 1:30 am

• Szczecin (zachodniopomorskie), middle of May, ~ 11 pm

• Grudziadz (kujawsko-pomorskie), August 3rd 2014, 2 am

• Legnica (dolnoslaske), August 6th 2014, 11 pm

• Piekary Slaskie, Brzozowice district (slaskie), September 20th 2014, ~8 pm


Continued

originally posted by: fatpastyhead

I've been lucky enough to witness 2.

Thanks Fatpastyhead and am rather jealous.

Also seems to be some high strangeness involved in repeat witness reports and below is some testimony from Monmouth in the U.K.





There's also a lot of triangular USO reports and freaky accounts from Puerto Rico including this object witnessed over Camp Garcia Naval base.

“It was a real big triangular object,” he stated, “completely engulfed in a bright yellow light ... It seemed to be at an altitude of about 500 feet above the ground, over property belonging to Camp García. I calculated the altitude based on the height of some trees in the area. What intrigued me the most was that the thing was suspended right over the area where the US Navy has an airstrip or runway for their planes to land and take off ... And that it was an unidentified flying object. 

“There were no military exercises at the time, so what was that object, that triangle of light, doing there over the runway? Thinking that I was observing something I shouldn’t be seeing, I left the site at once. But from that moment on, I realized something very strange is taking place on the land controlled by the US Navy. 

Cheers.

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: PilSungMtnMan

the F4 was operating at max speed and max altitude during this 30 min encounter.

Thanks for the input and to be fair he does state that it could have been '20 minutes or a half an hour' but I see your point - do you not read this part of the transcript as if he was altering his speed or slowing down?

I wanted to speed up and get around him, too, to see what the other side of this thing looked like, but I could not outrun him, he could slow down and speed up as fast as I could. A Phantom can go from 2.2 Mach to 50 miles an hour in about 10 seconds, that's how fast and you couldn't slow down if you wanted to, and I tried that and he was still just as fast.

link

The pilot states he held a position as Captain in Naval intelligence and does sound pretty knowledgeable about aircraft capabilities and radar/weapon systems - guess we'll never know but regarding the UFO encounter also found it intriguing that Navy Approach Control 'didn't seem to care'.

When it comes to UFOs and Naval Intelligence there's also another aircraft incident from around that same (admittedly huge) area of ocean described in the thread below - apparently it sparked an official O.N.I. investigation in 1952 but the contents are still classified.

2000MPH UFO Incident Sparks U.S. Navy UFO Investigation

Karl...

Do you think the F-4 Phantom pilot was possibly misquoted...when the report said "A Phantom can go from 2.2 Mach to 50 miles an hour in about 10 seconds" --- when he should have said the opposite?

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Well thanks for sharing the sighting from your good lady wife mate - quite a compelling one and when it comes to FBTs it really does make you wonder just how many go unreported.

Hope you both watch that Marler presentation with some nice popcorn.

Do remember a pretty insane phone call to Bob Gribble from an alleged CIA reconnaissance pilot (name given) when he was manning the NUFORC hotline - very close range description and although the transcript is linked below, it's well worth listening to the man's voice.

Well, we sat down last night to watch the Marler presentation - no popcorn, but some decent white wine! We both found it compelling from start to finish, of particular significance being the fact that these sightings date as far back as the 1930s, some forty years before stealth technology made an entrance.

It almost makes one think that the "saucer" phenomenon was a distraction from something far more important. As we know, "Flying Saucer" was a misnomer begun by a journalist in the wake of Kenneth Arnold's 1947 sighting. The brutal irony being, of course, that Ken saw "delta-shaped" craft whose movements resembled the proverbial 'saucer skimming across water'... but there was no way to hold back the predictable tide of saucer reports thereafter. Frustrating, innit? And that's taking into account that "saucers" themselves were not new in 1947, as one of your previous threads usefully pointed out.

The Gribble call you linked to was quite eerie and thoroughly believable, precisely because the experienced pilot was extremely reluctant to give out any personal details. As you say, his VOICE sealed the deal - this guy was genuinely confounded and concerned, not helped by ground personnel not taking him seriously or ignoring his story completely.

By the way, the aforementioned Marler talk made my better half's eyes widen on a few occasions, so similar were some of the descriptions down the decades to her own sighting, especially the craft's movements. In fact, the illogical flight characteristics (blunt edge first and very slowly) was one reason she didn't report it to authorities, thinking they'd laugh her out of town.

Also, the common notion that beamed lights were "looking for something" mirrors what I said in my first post of this thread - my wife instinctively believed that they were looking for "animals", and has no idea why that thought popped into her head.


Once again, a marvellous thread, Karl, with plenty of info that perhaps encourages us to refine (and dismiss) what we expect from UFOs in general.