More Disgusting

The US for profit health care (or rather wealth extraction system):

At a time when medical professionals are putting their lives at risk, tens of thousands of doctors in the United States are taking large pay cuts.

And even as some parts of the US are talking of desperate shortages in nursing staff, elsewhere in the country many nurses are being told to stay at home without pay.

That is because American healthcare companies are looking to cut costs as they struggle to generate revenue during the coronavirus crisis.

Is this making 'Merica Great Again??????

www.bbc.com...

Trickle Down economics at it's most disgusting.

a reply to: FyreByrd

What really gets my blood boiling over all this is the people dying from things that hospitals usually would be treating. But because we are in a state of emergency and the government is controlling(fearing) hospitals into such a placid state, we have people who should be treated but are being pushed aside because empty hospitals are waiting for that "big rush" of millions of covid patients.

Government steps in and it all goes to #, who could know....(most of us).

Realize that was left up to each state how to respond to Corona virus by Federal government - if one has issues with results complain to Governor.

Hearing multiple reports of empty hospital's in states that hit panic button with sledge hammer might have more to do with issue.

Fear and panic overdone imho.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Trickle Down economics at it's most disgusting.

So the state governments closing down hospitals for most of their revenue (elective procedures, routine surgeries) to stay empty for the rush of coronavirus cases that never actually materialize...

Is trickle-down economics?

Sounds to me more like government-mandated policies that are taking a bunch of money from our front-line responders and hospital staff when it is most needed.

How's that Government-run health care working for ya?

Maybe we should Federalize this model!!!!

a reply to: Lumenari

Government will give all of us the opportunity to die needlessly, begging for help that is just "beyond' the magic wall of inaccessibility.

But those damn private industries......*Shakes fist*

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030
a reply to: Lumenari

Government will give all of us the opportunity to die needlessly, begging for help that is just "beyond' the magic wall of inaccessibility.

But those damn private industries......*Shakes fist*

People who really want to understand what Government-run health care is either needs to go to a pre-Trump VA hospital or the vast majority of reservations in the USA.

As far as reservations go, the way to work it to your best advantage is to not get sick or need care after June.

Because that's when the money runs out for the year.

The doctors around here live in very nice homes and many drive expensive cars even though there is a VAT tax which can be 3 or 4 times the cost for the sticker price of the car. They work their butts off at the hospitals for profit and also work a few shifts at the government hospitals which are basically free. $3 to see a Doctor.

The only reason for my comment is the last time I went to the doctor for an ear infection I received 5 different pills to take over a 5 day period plus I received a shot. It cost me $12 TWELVE US DOLLARS. I did not go to a hospital but a small clinic ran by a mother daughter doctor team.

My stateside wife went into the hospital on a Friday Night and Died Monday . All they did was provide a bed and do the normal nurse check for BP and wake her up every few hours.... they did X-ray her head on Sunday morning which caused her brain to swell which killed her Monday evening . $265,000 was the bill and the insurance told them $90,000 take it or leave it (which was still outlandish IMO). If I had not had great insurance I would still be paying out of pocket to the hospital for profit bastards.

I would avoid the American medical establishment unless I absolutely had no other choice. A good portion of the Doctors and nurses I have know in the states are hard working people who do the best with what they have...not all but most.. The hospitals are their to squeeze every last dime they can out of the insurance companies and the patients.

a reply to: ZapBrannigan3030

As recent as 10-11 years ago I could by my own personal "catastrophic" policy for $100-$400 a year to cover what I couldn't cover out of pocket.

Government took that option away.

Bet the executives of these for profit health companies will see not 1 cent in reduction of pay, benefits or bonuses.

Probably award themselves even larger bonuses for the amazing job they did with the virus!

Seems like an obvious side effect of "healthcare" as a business. Turning a profit off of desperate and sick people who cannot choose is a disgusting idea from the word go. The American "healthcare" system was built from the ground up to be a luxury service for those who could afford the luxury of good health. It was designed from the ground up to lock everyone else out unless they were literally dying. At which point, a hospital is pretty much just a place to die and to steer poor people into the red nightmare of red tape that is the US welfare system, where they will likely get hopelessly bogged down in the endless corridors of carefully calculated losses to keep them just barely alive and simultaneously blaming them for existing and kicking them while they're down and trying to force them into low wage jobs.

This is caused by government interference not by the healthcare system. When government gets involved everything turns to crap. Fact.

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is caused by government interference not by the healthcare system. When government gets involved everything turns to crap. Fact.

Wonder how come South Korea, Republic of China (Taiwan), Japan, Denmark, France, Spain, Austria, Thailand, Australia, Finland, New Zealand, Germany, Israel, Estonia, Switzerland, Portugal, Singapore, United Kingdom and so on all have better healthcare systems than America?

They all have universal healthcare, and not one of them is a "Communist" or "Socialist" country. Unless you want to claim South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Finland and Estonia are all bastions of Marxism.

Having spent a lot of time in various hospitals while my wife's health faded, I did learn this....

Healthcare in the US is a system. Not a discipline or reactive occupation. A system. Doctors do what they're told to do by whatever healthcare provider or health network owns the hospital they work in. What they can/will do for a patient is limited. Gone are the days where a diagnosis is made and the best treatment option is provided. Now it's simply a case of when THIS happens, do THAT.

They don't call it "practicing medicine" for nothin

a reply to: TXRabbit

The entire "managed care system" needs trashing as it is all about the money.

So called insurance has/had 10% guaranteed return via AHCA which promote's expenditure over cost savings to maximise profit.

Hospital administration either is beholden to shareholder return or executive salary/bonus in so-called non-profits, they can only be loosely called that btw.

Government run care in US? See postal service or interface with near any beuracracy lol - that's a joke.

The solution - blow it up and demolish it.

Let Doctors and nurses run the remain's for 10cents on the dollar and strongly apply all existing business law to that industry. They not immune those laws, finding someone to uphold them is different matter we as citizens must cure.

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is caused by government interference not by the healthcare system. When government gets involved everything turns to crap. Fact.

Wonder how come South Korea, Republic of China (Taiwan), Japan, Denmark, France, Spain, Austria, Thailand, Australia, Finland, New Zealand, Germany, Israel, Estonia, Switzerland, Portugal, Singapore, United Kingdom and so on all have better healthcare systems than America?

They all have universal healthcare, and not one of them is a "Communist" or "Socialist" country. Unless you want to claim South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Finland and Estonia are all bastions of Marxism.

Free doesn't mean better.

a reply to: 727Sky
This is so sad mate & I'm sorry for your loss. I applaud you for keeping your sh*t together & carrying on after such below than 3rd world or acceptable treatment .

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is caused by government interference not by the healthcare system. When government gets involved everything turns to crap. Fact.

Wonder how come South Korea, Republic of China (Taiwan), Japan, Denmark, France, Spain, Austria, Thailand, Australia, Finland, New Zealand, Germany, Israel, Estonia, Switzerland, Portugal, Singapore, United Kingdom and so on all have better healthcare systems than America?

They all have universal healthcare, and not one of them is a "Communist" or "Socialist" country. Unless you want to claim South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Finland and Estonia are all bastions of Marxism.

Free doesn't mean better.

To be fair, as a foreigner who received emergency room care in Taiwan, it was not free.

In short order I received consultation with a doctor, a couple injections, x-rays, I.V., and a few hours later was discharged with several days worth of prescription medicine. Great care, definitely not free.

Cost me 85 bucks!

& now you're a ladyboy , you go by the name of............??????
I am 100% kidding bro. & was responding purely to the post & not it's poster !! Hope we cool ? Here, on me

originally posted by: ZapBrannigan3030
a reply to: FyreByrd

What really gets my blood boiling over all this is the people dying from things that hospitals usually would be treating. But because we are in a state of emergency and the government is controlling(fearing) hospitals into such a placid state, we have people who should be treated but are being pushed aside because empty hospitals are waiting for that "big rush" of millions of covid patients.

Government steps in and it all goes to #, who could know....(most of us).

Hey, we practice, it was a great test for us. We failed, we knew the Gov didn't have our backs, facts or cohesive planning.

1st Responder

Private industry is just that...Why would the medical system be different than the companies that have recently laid off 20+million? Vast areas of the medical system was shut down by stay at home orders from theor Governors and so 10,000s of medical staffers are in the same boat, add in the pandemic was about 10 times less than what people thought our hospitals have mainly been empty with no care outside of life saving, so whose fault is it if these companies lay off medical workers too.