The MJ-12 Documents – Who? Why? How?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Violater1

These debates about small details create endless circular arguments that prove nothing in themselves.

What can you take from Lazar's story that irrefutably proves he worked on an alien spaceship as he claimed.

The answer is nothing.

Los Alamos made the statement they had no record of a Bob Lazar so when it came to light Bob Lazar did actually work there I would not consider that a small detail. To the contrary it is very significant and important detail.

That does not prove Lazar's later claims about reverse engineering ET tech at S4 but it does prove Los Alamos was attempting to hide the fact Lazar worked there.

That alone is enough to make a reasonable person wonder why.

a reply to: Case74282

I don't want to turn this into another Lazar thread, endlessly debating the minutiae, that goes nowhere.

But the quote about someone from Los Alamos saying Lazar worked there comes from George Knapp. He could have called the wrong people or just plain lied to give more to the story than is true. Because the story is worth more to him as a mystery than if he'd have carried out a real thorough investigation.

On Nov 17th 1989, Knapp said in a radio interview with Chuck Harder:

We called for his [Lazar's] Birth records and they had disappeared...as if someone was trying to make him a non-person.

Source

Yet when Bob went to court 7 months later on a pandering charge that birth certificate was suddenly there...

....After Lazar plead guilty to the pandering charge on June 18, 1990 in Las Vegas, the State of Nevada Department of Parole and Probation prepared a “Pre-Sentence Report”. This report provides the court with quite a bit of background data on the defendant to assist in sentencing.

The report was prepared by Joy Mundy-Neal and dated July 27, 1990. Under the heading “Social History”, the report states:

“A certified copy of the defendant’s birth certificate indicates he was born on January 26, 1959

Otherhand

Again shoddy research or just plain lies to beef up the Lazar story?

a reply to: mirageman
Da!

a reply to: Case74282

tomwhitmoreblog.wordpress.com...

a lot of effort is being made in the public domain to find the truth, albeit with limited success

as stated, the narrative emanated from the documents and if Doty was telling the truth.

everyone has their opinions , of course. If there is info mixed with dis info then does that mean the docs are a hoax? It just proves that there is an active rising campaign to hide the truth , whatever that might be.

I hear a lot of refutations and debunking , calling the phenomena mythbuilding on this thread. Occams Razar Is not even apt when it comes to the MJ 12 or Lazar.


Good luck all and thanks for taking the time to post

IMO, if MJ12 were real it would have been exposed by a journalist like a Jack Anderson, a journalist who exposed many of the hidden lies and secrets of the government when he was around in the ’80s. link

If it were around since 47 I doubt it would not have been exposed before now.
Not to a small group of Ufologists which among the three one, Bill Moore admitted being an agent and the other, Jaime Shandera, most likely an agent.

My overall take is that the government wanted to put out overtime the misinformation about SSP programs being so prevalent and the US government wanted out in the public sphere the bizarre ideas such as that guy from skunkworks who said: “we can take ET home.” They wanted the government to seem as great as the aliens in the public’s eye, as well as bamboozle the Russians and Chinese...Once the Chinese and Russians heard that BS about taking ET home and SSP programs they likely wasted a lot of intelligence assets looking this stuff up.

They softened up the UFO community with Massive disinformation from the1980’s and all up into the era of Steven Greer who started the nonsense about SSPs and the exotic power of the US government having the attributes to “ take ET home” and warp drives and antigravity vehicles as fast as the aliens.

All disinformation.

a reply to: Willtell

Nice take.

but wrong.

btw that guy from skunkworks was Ben rich

a reply to: play4keeps

How about “we have technology that’s a hundred years more advanced than where we are now?”That was twenty years ago.

regardless, I appreciate the posters about the docs but I know the tech exists as Lazar states ( which means it’s reverse engineered). Been there done that

anyway this is about Mj

a reply to: play4keeps

How about “we have technology that’s a hundred years more advanced than where we are now?”

Source?
Or does that not matter?

Somebody somewhere sometime supposedly said something like that and that's good enough for me.

a reply to: Phage


Where was Spielberg when he was inspired to write CEOTTK?

You had a better fir in mind?

How did I miss this thread!!!

Excellent work as always MM


I'm of the opinion the documents are indeed forgeries but I have to hand to it whoever made them, there was clearly a lot of work that went into their production.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I almost missed this too Pig's.

Great stuff MM.

a reply to: mirageman

You write pretty good for a company man. I beg to differ on your opinions of deception. I recommend you read the book Mind Games by Richard Thieme.

Oh so who's he? You many have attended one of his speeches.

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: mirageman

You write pretty good for a company man. I beg to differ on your opinions of deception. I recommend you read the book Mind Games by Richard Thieme.

Oh so who's he? You many have attended one of his speeches.

Weird. Resurrecting a dead thread to make what I can only assume is a thinly veiled and false accusation.

One can only wonder what kind of motivations YOU have.

a reply to: mirageman

Stuff that makes one go hmmm MM for sure.

originally posted by: Willtell

Maybe. I always go to the default fact in the Robertson Panel in 1952 or 1953 where they basically told the Intelligence community to bamboozle the public.

There's a document below mate which suggests that may have been the other way around.

This memo to the Director of CIA indicates that what would be the recommendation of the Robertson Panel was already determined a year before.

Doc

originally posted by: Waterglass

Richard Thieme.

Oh so who's he?

He's one of the co-authors of this great book which deals with actual (genuine) government UFO documents.

a reply to: mirageman

Like I wrote. You should be writing books based on fiction as you do write well.