POLITICS: Israel Plans To Strike Iranian Nuclear Plants.

Well,
it's really funny reading this site...There's everything here - people playing "devil's advocate",nuclear socialists,Doomsday anticipators...

Operation Opera

I really want to remind some of you what the World would be if Israel was not there to strike Osiraq and draw the condemnation for it from the "Free World"...I'm pretty sure if Saddam had nucelar weapons when he invaded Kuwait all of you chikens would tell us how actually Kuwait attacked Iraq or was part of Iraq unjustly taken by the Brits from the Iraqi Homeland...
Just look at the first photo...the one where Saddam Hussain and Jacques Shirac are together - "first friends"...The thinking I'll leave to you...

Originally posted by 00PS
Actually Israel is more like the wife that beats the husband and gets away with it...

If Israel Strikes any sovereing nation it should be occupied by international forces, stripped of her sovereignity and handed back to the palestinians. Make the Israleis requests visas from the PLO if they want to stay.

Ahh the truth shines through - The dream of the Arabs reflected through you - the destruction of the ONLY Jewish state! Why not Israel is a burden - The despicable hate of the Muslim masses (1 billion in number) against the few Jews is just overwhelming and needs to be appeased- so feed them the Jews. The world will be a better place then - Hey wasn't that the same mindset in pre-WWII era when no-one wanted to face the German threat. No-one foresaw the war and thought that a policy of appeasement would calm the German masses.
Do you honestly think that the Arab masses hate the Jews for what the 'Zionists' did to the Palestinians or is it just blind hatred of the Jews?

Soficrow,
and how do you call a terrorist attack by a group,sponsored by foreign government?I understand by your words that it's not a "declaration of war"...So what is it and how the other side must respond to such an attack?
I ask,because everyone knows that Hizballah recieves their weapons and funding from Iran and is trained by their Revolutionary Guard...And when Hizballah attacks Israel through the international border is it a "declaration of war" or just the weekly dose of terror?

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ISIS has discovered images of an Iranian site that raises suspicions that Iran is continuing to hide parts of its nuclear program. These images were provided to ABC News for a June 16, 2004 World News Tonight report.

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Originally posted by ZMax
Soficrow,
and how do you call a terrorist attack by a group,sponsored by foreign government?I understand by your words that it's not a "declaration of war"...So what is it and how the other side must respond to such an attack?
I ask,because everyone knows that Hizballah recieves their weapons and funding from Iran and is trained by the them...And when Hizballah attacks Israel through an international border is it "declaration of war" or just the weekly dose of terror?

ZMax, let me explain - Arabs/Muslims are cowardly - they use clandestine proxies to do there work for them as to distance themselves from the act of terror. Therefore Iran uses Hizbulla and Islamic Jihad. Syria uses Hizbulla and the PFLP all because they don't have the BALLS to face Israel. And those panzy Europeans turn away and play it dumb. Why not, Arab/Muslim countries have alot of money. So for European interest Justice is sacrificed.

Do not get me wrong, as an Israeli I do not want Israel to go to war with Iran. As an American I do not American soldiers to die because of Irans nuclear ambitions - But as a human with a little bit of foresight I understand that something must be done. The world will turn a blind eye and let Americans and Israelis get killed for their sake - and then to get in good with the Arabs they will condemn Israel and America for their 'aggressions'.

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Originally posted by ZMax

ISIS has discovered images of an Iranian site that raises suspicions that Iran is continuing to hide parts of its nuclear program. These images were provided to ABC News for a June 16, 2004 World News Tonight report.

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NO they are building an invisible nuclear reactor for peaceful purposes!!!!!

Judah Maccabbi,

I know this and I perfectly understand you...
Just one objection - I'm an European too...but from Eastern Europe,the One that still remembers what USA and Reagan have done for us,even remember what important role US had in WWII...And I can make the parallel with the Arab World now...There are anti-americans here who already begin to get it and say to themselfs "maybe Bush was right,just like Reagan was right"...but the most people have only the blind hate and that's all...it wont help...

judah, dont fret, the american people will always support a jewish state. The jews have alot to offer and have contributed much to our country(USA).I remember when Israel had to fight off the arabs in 1967. and kicked there rear ends. the russians gave so much aid to those muslim cowards but a handful of jews with american armaments showed them they better back off. I dont understand why the arabs hate Israel so much,and i really dont care why. you cannot deal with those type people.they only understand one thing and that is force. good luck Israel and may God protect you.

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Do you honestly think that the Arab masses hate the Jews for what the 'Zionists' did to the Palestinians or is it just blind hatred of the Jews?

You said Iran has 9% of the worlds oil, why do they need nuclear energy....that's really dumb to say.

Hey Israel is a state yes? They have nukes yes? Ok let's let Iran have nukes too? What's wrong with this picture?

You think Israel is better than Iran, should be above Iran? Are Jews better and above Iranians? Is that it Juddah? Your overwhelming support for the State of Israel is blinding you from making intelligent statements about the issues at hand.

That's ok though, you can go on with your bad self. Just remember, Jews are better than no one, and no one is better than Jews. What Jews can have, everyone can have and what anyone can have Jews can have.

Obviously you don't agree with this philosophy, you must hold Jews to a higher standard and expect them to be the Chosen Children of God and Rule The World, or at least Iran for the moment by taking away their nations right to nuclear technology.


Arabs hate Jews for Zionist Policies...of these policies there are many that Arabs hate. Blind hatred of Jews? The only blind anything here is your blind Love of Jews... Be critical...analyze things from both perspectives. Then make a decision.

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

ZMax, let me explain - Arabs/Muslims are cowardly - they use clandestine proxies to do there work for them as to distance themselves from the act of terror.

Like how Israel uses USA to do their dirtwork...Ah...all the Crazy Nut Cases with Government Power are Cowardly, not just ARABS - Don't be a racist Israeli.

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Why do you love arabs so much if your not one they will kill you.

I'm not an Arab but in my travels I have met plenty, none of whom have shown any evil intent towards me. You see, aggression leads to aggression. Treat people with a little common courtesy and respect and they will do the same. The idea that all Arabs are rabid Islamic killers is laughable and has no factual basis.

There again, the friendly treatment I have always received may be due to the fact that I am not shooting their kids or trying to steal their land

Why are you surpised. We know this is going to happen. It's clear a US-Israel attack will happen soon. In weeks, or in months, but definitely sometime this year.

We also know it is completely illegal. Now, if Israel attacks Iran. Fair enough, Israel is a rogue nation anyway. However when US get's involved, when Iran has done nothing to it, just so that it can plunder it's resources. It's criminal, and when society can't deal with criminals, even support them. I just have no idea how to argue how wrong this is.

Because it seems like wrong is right now. At one point, if someone got murdered, it was such a misery, such a tragic event, such a misfortune. Today, when the same hapens, it becomes a statistic. Some even think it's cool.

When people think violence, murder and crime is cool and freedom, love and peace is for sisses and hippies. Then reason can no longer work.

Just like here reason cannot work. I am not going to give each person who wants a war with Iran here a lecture on morals and ethics. I am just going to say to them that whatever they reap will be a fruit of their own creation.

When they see just how many of their friends, family are suffering because of their stupidity, only then will they realise what the importance of morals and ethics are. This is how reason will present itself to them, through experience.

These primitives need the experience before they can grow up. It's a hard thing to digest that your future is in the hands of primitives, but this is just how god's universe works.

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Apparently both Israel and the United States are denying the accuracy of this report.

Both Israel and the United States on Sunday rejected a report in London's Sunday Times which claimed that Israel had a plan in place to attack Iran's nuclear reactor and that the US would not block the attack if diplomatic efforts fail to contain Iran's nuclear development.

Source: Jerusalem Post

Originally posted by 00PS

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Do you honestly think that the Arab masses hate the Jews for what the 'Zionists' did to the Palestinians or is it just blind hatred of the Jews?

You said Iran has 9% of the worlds oil, why do they need nuclear energy....that's really dumb to say.

Hey Israel is a state yes? They have nukes yes? Ok let's let Iran have nukes too? What's wrong with this picture?

You think Israel is better than Iran, should be above Iran? Are Jews better and above Iranians? Is that it Juddah? Your overwhelming support for the State of Israel is blinding you from making intelligent statements about the issues at hand.

That's ok though, you can go on with your bad self. Just remember, Jews are better than no one, and no one is better than Jews. What Jews can have, everyone can have and what anyone can have Jews can have.

Obviously you don't agree with this philosophy, you must hold Jews to a higher standard and expect them to be the Chosen Children of God and Rule The World, or at least Iran for the moment by taking away their nations right to nuclear technology.

I do not think Jews are better than Iranians - I'll let you in on a little secret - Iranians have scored the highest on scholastic tests in high schools out of the entire world. Let me let you in on another secret - I am a Jew of Uzbeki/Iranian heritage. I've had Iranian Jewish and non-Jewish friends, I work with Arab/Israelis I even have a relative who converted to Islam and we still meet every few months. I believe Jews are better than no-one. But nuclear weapons is not a playstation 2. Its not a 17"TFT monitor, but a devastatingweapon whose primary target will be Israel.

Nuclear weapons are weapons of deterence - Israel badly needed that deterence to solidify its place in a sea of Arabs who would stop at nothing to demolish the single Jewish state this world has to offer. Jews are special in my view only because they are an endangered species - 15 million in a world of over 6 billion is nothing - am 5 million of them are in Israel is even less.

Nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to proliferate - A nuclear crisis was averted it India and Pakistan not too long ago - Both sides were sufficiently intelligent to back down. Israel has nuclear weapons for over 30 years and never used it. It is a doomsday weapon whose only use is as a deterrent. I am not sure that Iran with its extremism can be trusted with that kind of weapon - A philosophy of every thing is OK in the name of Allah is frightening. The only countries that seem to understand that is the US and its allies.

Arabs hate Jews for Zionist Policies...of these policies there are many that Arabs hate. Blind hatred of Jews? The only blind anything here is your blind Love of Jews... Be critical...analyze things from both perspectives. Then make a decision.

How did you come to the decision I blindly love Jews? Just because I am a Zionist - Zionism is the concept of a Jewish right for a homeland in Israel - Our historic land.

Does that mean I hate Arabs - no.

I understand Arabs are peeved at us for what they claim is land-theft. I claim that hatred came long before Israel was created. In 1929 over 60 Jews where lynched to death in Hebron (A city that had Jewish inhabitants since Ancient times). Arabs lynched them out of religious hatred after their Imam in the city fave a firery sermon about Jewish conspiracy to deface the temple mount (or something of the sort). In response the British removed all Jews from Hebron to Jerusalem. Transferring Jews was always OK - Through-out the centuries. That was almost 20 years BEFORE Israel.
In Mashhad, Iran, where there was once a huge Jewish community, Muslim wiped out the Jewish communities by either murdering them or forcing them to convert to Islam - My ancestors at the time left Mashhad for Bukhara in what is now Uzbekistan.

So you say I love Jews and hate Arabs, I say no - They hate us because we are Jewish.

Israel/Iran/Iraq- lots of “I” in that part of the world.

I (there ya go) don't get the entire way things work in the middle-east, but from reading history I don't believe the people that live there do either. The Jews were given part of the area by the British- since then many things have changed. Not many for the better.

I have a certain 'kin-ness' feeling for Israel (not a Jew) maybe only because of recent history. I do not hate Arabs or believe they are 'cowardly' as a few have posted herein. People are going to do what works. The Arab armies have been decisively defeated by Israel. So if armies don't work try something else.

Would Iran nuke Israel? Maybe- I have a strong feeling that is Israel bombs Iran the troubles inside of Israel will escalate geometrically. Iran is a proud country trying to get out from under its reliance on oil. Israel surely understands things like this.

If it is true that the Iranians are trying to build nuclear weapons then they are living in the wrong paradise. Neither Israel nor the U.S. will allow that to happen. Iran has been castigated because of the U.S. for decades. The U.S. needs to get realistic.

Iran is complaining about not being allowed to join the World Trade Organization- why should they have ever been denied?

Israel complains about the UN. Let's look at history- Israel is in constant aggression. Is this aggression all the Arabs fault? Come on now- be honest.

How much of the area does Israel really want to grab before they are satisfied? Many people feel the answer is 100%.

Do the Palestinians deserve a state? Many believe the answer is a flat NO. If not, then other than killing all of them what is to be done?

*Zmax, excellent propaganda link
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I am tired of this "if they have oil why do they want nuclear energy?" argument, isn't it very obvious?

Sell the oil to idiots that drive 8mpg SUVs in the West and make cleaner energy for themselves. As someone said they have good Uranium resourses. Why do they want to produce their own fuel? Again obvious, so they do not have to PAY for it from another country, sensible huh. They have also said that they think that within 20 years there will likely be a large world need for supply of nuclear fuel, they can then sell it to the West, sensible huh. They have agreed to give spent fuel to Russia, good idea huh.

Some people are either unaware of facts, know little of Iran, are paranoid or just like the thought of killing.

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Originally posted by 00PS

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

ZMax, let me explain - Arabs/Muslims are cowardly - they use clandestine proxies to do there work for them as to distance themselves from the act of terror.

Like how Israel uses USA to do their dirtwork...Ah...all the Crazy Nut Cases with Government Power are Cowardly, not just ARABS - Don't be a racist Israeli.

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Oh yeah in 1947 The US fought for US?
Again in 1967?
How about 1973?
How about 1976 when Palestinians HighJacked an AirFrance flight and over 100 Jewish hostages were selected from the entire flight? Who faught then the US?
OK how about the countless incursions from Lebanon into Israel? Who defended us then?
In the 1980s the US helped somewhat in Lebanon. In 1991 Israel was forced to sit on the sidelines and not join the coalition so that the Arab countries in the coalition would not leave (again Arab hatred) - I'll let you in on a little secret - Israel clandestinely fought there too by suppling the coallition with military intelligence and went scud hunting - successfully too.

OK, so in 2003 Israel sat on the sidelines that was the one time.

Racism has nothing to do with it - Look at the terrorist leaders - they really get me going - Sadaam Hussien praises the suicide bombers and supports them yet he himself gave up to the US without a fight - COWARD. Arafat another brave soul - brainwashed children into Jihad - died of natural causes or some disease in a French military hospital - King Coward.

Originally posted by Britguy
I'm not an Arab but in my travels I have met plenty, none of whom have shown any evil intent towards me. You see, aggression leads to aggression. Treat people with a little common courtesy and respect and they will do the same. The idea that all Arabs are rabid Islamic killers is laughable and has no factual basis.

First of all no-one said all Arabs or Muslims are Rabid Psychos- the truth is that most are moderates and quiet. The few extremists scare the many into their game. The PLO also brainwashed Palestinian children to Martyrdom and conflict while the PLO leaders children are in European schools.

There again, the friendly treatment I have always received may be due to the fact that I am not shooting their kids or trying to steal their land

Israeli shooting nearly always targets combatants in response to Palestinian aggression (bombing our children) and stealing lands in an old and tired cliche.

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