Trump says he's instructed Navy to 'destroy' any Iranian gunboats harassing US ships

a reply to: shapur

military presence in their territory.....guard their most vital waterway?! wtf,

What forces do we have in Iranian Territory?
The Straits of Hormuz is not "their" waterway.

The Iranians are free to navigate in international waters as long as they do it in safe, internationally recognized norms.

Again, Cutting right in front of a USN ship or approaching in a threatening manner is not the way to do that.

Don't worry they will learn the lesson one way or the other.

a reply to: shapur

It's called Freedom of Navigation. The Straits of Hormuz are international waters, and everyone has the right to transit them without being harassed.

a reply to: pavil

Navigating and trading is one thing but having aircraft carriers and ships armed with missiles is another.How would the US react if Iranian armed and military ships were navigating in gulf of mexico or in Atlantic ocean near the states?

a reply to: Zaphod58

There are more than twenty other countries navigating in the Persian gulf and they never been disturbed by the Iranian navy.

originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: Zaphod58

There are more than twenty other countries navigating in the Persian gulf and they never been disturbed by the Iranian navy.

You may need to check your sources on that claim because it is not true.

a reply to: shapur

And there are many countries that aren't the US that do get harassed. The IRGC simply claims a tanker was smuggling oil, and seizes the ship and crew, no matter where they are.

You're right though, countries don't get harassed by the Iranian Navy. It's the IRGC that does the seizing and harassing, not the Navy. They're two separate organizations.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

I am not sure about the exact number of countries but I never heard of anybody else complaining except the US.

a reply to: shapur

You should check the news then. They've been seizing tankers belonging to multiple countries. They've gotten ships belonging to Hong Kong, Iraq, the UK and others recently.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: shapur

And there are many countries that aren't the US that do get harassed. The IRGC simply claims a tanker was smuggling oil, and seizes the ship and crew, no matter where they are.

You're right though, countries don't get harassed by the Iranian Navy. It's the IRGC that does the seizing and harassing, not the Navy. They're two separate organizations.

True. I should have specified that too.

A British warship that defended an oil tanker from Iranian forces but failed to save another has had 115 confrontations with Iran's elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in the Persian Gulf since July.

Commander Will King, who commands the Royal Navy frigate HMS Montrose currently tasked with defending British interests and escorting ships in the Gulf, told The Times that his ship has been "heavily" tested by the Iranians, which have demonstrated a "continuous intent to disrupt or interfere with UK interests in the area."

Iranian Forces Have been Tirelessly Harassing this one British Warship

a reply to: Zaphod58

They have never seized tankers just because they happened to be there.As I said navigating and legally trading is totally different from being militarily present...A ship armed with guns and missiles is considered to be a threat to the national security of any country.

a reply to: shapur

And yet, they transit right through international waters around other countries with very few, or usually minor, incidents.

The IRGC was established to protect the Iranian political system. How is seizing ships that are supposedly smuggling oil protecting the political system? The IRGC claims a ship is smuggling oil, and takes it. The most recent was a Hong Kong flagged tanker at anchor off Oman, bound for Saudi Arabia. Armed men boarded it, and it sailed to a point off Iran before eventually being released. There's never any information to show they're smuggling anything, other than the IRGC said so.

a reply to: shapur

Then you've not been paying attention.

They've harassed ships, and seized ships, from multiple countries.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: face23785

I would think that would be the standing order since the uss Cole.

And a people gets gunned down so why not shot down?

He was probably thinking about drones being shot down too.

It was a green light code. BTW...

I wonder why Jerry Nadler is so concerned about President Trump's emergency powers?

theepochtimes.com...

They must be already defined inside some legal document. Nadler should just go look them up.

originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: Zaphod58

There are more than twenty other countries navigating in the Persian gulf and they never been disturbed by the Iranian navy.

I don't think thats true

originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: pavil

Navigating and trading is one thing but having aircraft carriers and ships armed with missiles is another.How would the US react if Iranian armed and military ships were navigating in gulf of mexico or in Atlantic ocean near the states?

We wouldn't like it, and Iran, if it had that ability would say, "so what".

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Damn right shoot those gunboats down. How dare they defy gravity.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: Zaphod58

There are more than twenty other countries navigating in the Persian gulf and they never been disturbed by the Iranian navy.

I don't think thats true

You do need to either prove your comment and or provide other.

Many of us in the USA have been there or though the straits and we do not care of the BS and harassment anymore....millions of us now. Over decades.

To the OP.: My dad would take his belt off...that was enough. If I stood up, there would be a hammer. I was alive and lived when R.Regan sunk the navy of Iran.

Military navigable, civilian, commercial are open regions laws do not apply to the area, especially a strait. Now, the commander, captain, admiral etc. can make the decision now...maritime law.

It's a game loser for iran to place focus away.

The US navy would easily destruct their navy.


Mg

originally posted by: missed_gear

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: Zaphod58

There are more than twenty other countries navigating in the Persian gulf and they never been disturbed by the Iranian navy.

I don't think thats true

You do need to either prove your comment and or provide other.

Many of us in the USA have been there or though the straits and we do not care of the BS and harassment anymore....millions of us now. Over decades.

To the OP.: My dad would take his belt off...that was enough. If I stood up, there would be a hammer. I was alive and lived when R.Regan sunk the navy of Iran.

Military navigable, civilian, commercial are open regions laws do not apply to the area, especially a strait. Now, the commander, captain, admiral etc. can make the decision now...maritime law.

It's a game loser for iran to place focus away.

The US navy would easily destruct their navy.


Mg

I don't even have to search, for sure, they have messed with the Brits, a tanker at least. It's claimed other commercial vessels, as well. They mined the Straits it in the past.

I'm not even arguing the U.S. should be in the area..I just thought it was not true that Iran has only harassed U.S. vessels

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: shapur
a reply to: pavil

Navigating and trading is one thing but having aircraft carriers and ships armed with missiles is another.How would the US react if Iranian armed and military ships were navigating in gulf of mexico or in Atlantic ocean near the states?

We wouldn't like it, and Iran, if it had that ability would say, "so what".

So having a bigger gun justifies bullying others!...Is that a kind of world you like to live in?

a reply to: Zaphod58

American ships are stationed in the gulf and they have threatened the IRGC for decades.They also are armed to the teeth and have a long history of interference in the Iranian affairs and elsewhere in the world...That is totally different story from lets say Japan or even Saudi Arabia.