Covid-19 Likely Started Months Earlier And Not in Wuhan

According to a Cambridge University study, the covid- 19 virus started as early as September in South China. It makes sense to me because myself and the missus attended a outdoor festival called Louder than life in late September. Lots of sharing of certain smokables all day long.

Shortly afterwards , my wife became very sick. She went to the doctor and they could not identify what she had, and his best guess was human para-influenza . Asked if she had copd, because she had lung damage. Wasn't long after that, I became really sick with the same thing, and I rarely get sick at all. We got over it for awhile, but hit us both again in November.

The novel coronavirus may have first passed to humans somewhere in southern China months before the outbreak in the city of Wuhan, a new study found, cutting against widely held theories about the origins of the pandemic.
Mapping a “network” of coronavirus genomes and tracing mutations over time, a team of researchers led by a Cambridge University geneticist determined the first Covid-19 infection may have come as early as September in a region south of Wuhan, noting the pathogen could have been carried by humans well before it mutated into a more lethal form.

“The virus may have mutated into its final ‘human-efficient’ form months ago, but stayed inside a bat or other animal or even human for several months without infecting other individuals,” geneticist Peter Forster told the South China Morning Post. He leads the ongoing yet to be peer-reviewed research, recently published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal.

www.rt.com...

Then, it started infecting and spreading among humans between September 13 and December 7, generating the network we present in [the study].

So, where did this virus come from originally?

With all these PhD's and experts, you would think they would get it right for once 🙃 🙂

Especially if it's a bio weapon.

a reply to: Groot

So, where did this virus come from originally?

The image you posted shows it came from a bat.

I think that bat may have been in a lab.

Or it could have been tested in an area South of Wuhan before the final release in Wuhan and maybe other places?

I wonder how many of those scientists have chinese connections lol

In my opinion, if we set aside any ideas that this virus is manmade for a moment, and explore the "what if" this virus is naturally occuring. This virus could have originated anywhere, and China may have simply just been the first country to knee jerk react to clamp down on it in a preemptive measure to prevent blame being placed on them.

Maybe this guy has it right but there will be different opinions, believe me.

With all these different opinions it definitely helps China evade suspicions.

The title novel gives us 3 scenarios.
Remnants of comet dust/meteorite/sky event is one. Crickets

Buried under soil/recently excavated- first contact with it the entire span that humans lived upon the earth is second. also crickets

Some idiot scientist who forgot to include the idea boron proposes to nuclear reactions is third. crickets on steroids

Your link is Russia Today who always have their own agenda but that aside, if it did originate in Southern China, howcome the Chinese figures showed no infections for that area and it was all centered around Wuhan? If it was around as far back as September, then one would have thought, naturally, that China would have been overrun with cases like the rest of Europe, panicking and wondering what it was that was killing their people, but of course no they weren't...or so they tell us

I would like to stipulate what you posted as I was thinking of putting this in a OP and starting a new post.

There is a slight of hand going on in the past few days regarding the origins of the Coronavirus AKA the Wuhanvirus.
You replied:

if we set aside any ideas that this virus is manmade for a moment

Here is where the trick is being played in my opinion, by the Chinese government and those who are over invested in the rise of China...the question is whether Wuhanvirus came from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab or not however whether or not it was manmade as you wrote is yet another question.
See, the virus could have, and most likely did, originate from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab as they may have been studying it. Those who would like to obfuscate and distort the truth would "jump" right to manmade in an effort to make conspiracy theorists out of anyone who questions the facts as they have been laid out over the past 7-8 weeks.

The Chinese have many reasons to unleash this virus and the democrats, msm and nevertrumpers have every reason to exploit the crisis however if we use common sense and "occam's razor" as a guide we can see that the chances of the virus being released, either purposely or accidently from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab is painfully obvious to most.
Now, whether the virus was a manmade bio-weapon or just research on a bat virus that escaped from sloppy protocol is yet another question all together.
Of course we may never know because the Chinese government have apparently destroyed the records and investigative American reporters have been kicked out of their country and Chinese virologists and reporters are either dead or missing.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
In my opinion, if we set aside any ideas that this virus is manmade for a moment, and explore the "what if" this virus is naturally occuring. This virus could have originated anywhere, and China may have simply just been the first country to knee jerk react to clamp down on it in a preemptive measure to prevent blame being placed on them.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars


The image you posted shows it came from a bat.

I think that bat may have been in a lab.

How about it came from a bat inside the lab...

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

See, the virus could have, and most likely did, originate from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab as they may have been studying it. Those who would like to obfuscate and distort the truth would "jump" right to manmade in an effort to make conspiracy theorists out of anyone who questions the facts as they have been laid out over the past 7-8 weeks.

The Chinese have many reasons to unleash this virus and the democrats and nevertrumpers have every reason to exploit the crisis however if we use common sense and "occam's razor" as a guide we can see that the chances of the virus being released, either purposely or accidently from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab is painfully obvious to most.

It is an extreme coincidence that this virus would magically originate 800 yards from the only bio level 4 facility in China whose main purpose was to study cornea viruses...

Add in they immediately shut the lab down and everything in it just disappeared into the wind. One would think they would have USED THE LAB to help solved this problem, IF it didn't come directly from the lab already and they needed to cover that up quickly. Oh BTW they would already have all the needed info on it...

This takes occam's razor to the extreme...

originally posted by: xuenchen
With all these PhD's and experts, you would think they would get it right for once 🙃 🙂

Especially if it's a bio weapon.

I know right?

In all those CT movies it's all figured out and handled so efficiently.

Of course that thing called reality gets in the way though.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe

I'm not disagreeing with you.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Your link is Russia Today who always have their own agenda but that aside, if it did originate in Southern China, howcome the Chinese figures showed no infections for that area and it was all centered around Wuhan? If it was around as far back as September, then one would have thought, naturally, that China would have been overrun with cases like the rest of Europe, panicking and wondering what it was that was killing their people, but of course no they weren't...or so they tell us

It certainly seems that RT are putting a different 'slant' on things.

The geneticist Peter Forster, at every stage uses the word "May" a good reason for that is that he/they doesn't yet have all the data needed. The study is concentrated on the research that seems to have found several versions of the virus, type, A, B and C.Type A, the closest to the Bat coronavirus, with Americans, Chinese and Australians affected is thought to be the original human genome in the study, and Americans and Australians having mutated versions. Wuhan's cases were mostly type B.

One bother the research seems to show, is the number of mutations that are needed to have occurred, that might be telling should there have been entities in possession of 'the' virus from different countries, which given the international 2015/2016 experiment that occurred in Wuhan, is more than likely, but those that took part are not saying too much at all.

www.newsweek.com...

Chinese paid shills and propaganda trying to deflect that they were researching biological weapons in Wuhan...

Early January in Northeast CT, a strange flu-like bug sweep through the entire area. EVERYONE got it. I don't know anyone that didn't get it. Fever and body aches for several days. I was 99 and was hurtin' for 3 days.

You'll notice NE CT has almost zero diagnosis of COVID-19. The bug tested negative for known flu that should have been here. Docs called it flu-b. Some people went bad and died and it was racked up to the flu because they didn't know what else to call it.

BTW, there is a HUGE Chinese immigrant population here working in the Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods casinos. HUGE, 1000's.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

See, the virus could have, and most likely did, originate from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab as they may have been studying it. Those who would like to obfuscate and distort the truth would "jump" right to manmade in an effort to make conspiracy theorists out of anyone who questions the facts as they have been laid out over the past 7-8 weeks.

The Chinese have many reasons to unleash this virus and the democrats and nevertrumpers have every reason to exploit the crisis however if we use common sense and "occam's razor" as a guide we can see that the chances of the virus being released, either purposely or accidently from the Wuhan level 4 virology lab is painfully obvious to most.

It is an extreme coincidence that this virus would magically originate 800 yards from the only bio level 4 facility in China whose main purpose was to study cornea viruses...

Add in they immediately shut the lab down and everything in it just disappeared into the wind. One would think they would have USED THE LAB to help solved this problem, IF it didn't come directly from the lab already and they needed to cover that up quickly. Oh BTW they would already have all the needed info on it...

This takes occam's razor to the extreme...

There is a lab close and across the road from the wet market, but that's not the level 4 lab, which is not so far away though, a couple of miles I think. American embassy officials had in the recent past had though visited the level 4 lab, and were concerned about it's safety status, I'm not sure about the status of the closer lab.

a reply to: smurfy

Well that complicates things certainly when it comes to any hope of a vaccine

a reply to: Groot

But, but, Trump and his ""Chinese Virus"" rhetoric can't be wrong.