US soldier admits they massacred innocents

I don't doubt that these allegations are false nor that there true.
However, these incidents took place in the early years of "Operation Iraqi Freedom". It states Massey left Iraq in May of 2003, thats about two months after the war started. People have to remember that during the early stages of the conflict, U.S. soldiers were quite trigger happy. Friendly Fire was an issue also, we didn't purposely shoot down British helicopters. It was an accident; very similar to Iraqis moving toward checkpoints. Soldiers don't know what to expect from people they have been warned about.
Unfortunately, these things happen, its a part of war. Although I am not saying that some or all of these were accidents either. Men with rifles automaticaly get a sense of superiority over civilians.

Originally posted by Yorga
The sad truth of the matter is American soldiers only have seconds to decide if a civilian is a threat or not. The terrorist do not wear uniforms, head or arm bands so we know who is the bad guy and who isn't. It is a popular tactic of the terrorist to have women and children as suicide bombers to walk as close as they can to the soldiers. Anyone who approaches a checkpoint or a patrol is considered a threat. In Vietnam we had to deal with the same thing and soldiers get nervous trigger fingers. Sometimes if you are not sure, you shoot! You don't get a second chance. It is not like a video game where you get killed then restart the level. If I had not made quick decisions and shot when I did then I would just be another name on the wall. All these soldiers have one goal in mine, to get home alive. I am sure that American soldiers have shot and killed innocent civilians and they will shot and kill many more before this war on terrorism is over. But it is because this type of warfare is forced upon us. It is not because our soldiers are evil murderers. Before you are so ready to condem American soldiers for killing innocents then put yourself in their shoes. Iraqi civilians are approaching you and your buddies, you just heard that a suicide bomber killed two marines in another part of Bagdad, you order them to stop but they ignore you and keep coming. Quick, you only have seconds before you are in their kill zone. Make the wrong decision and your all dead! If you must condem someone, condem those radical terrorist that strap bombs on thier daughters, wives and sons. They made this type of situation as dangerous and inhuman as it is. Oh, and if it were me, I'd shoot! Thats survival! It's easy to blame America but the true blame lies on the first radical islamic bastard that blew himself up and the sick, depraved septic pool from were this evil sprang.

I think you said this very well and you bring a good point, but those turdblossom believing folks in here will take offense to your statement that it was forced upon us, whist I totally agree.....remember on this board there are not many that hold that view and their are many Americans who think it is cool and in style to be anti-war and to blame everything on Bush but yet their memories are so short term if you catch my drift...

Thanks, it is nice to hear a sane voice once in a while.

Well I obviously have know effect on you EdSinger, so I really can't be f***** argueing with you because its firstly a waste of time, and secondly you don't seem to understand much...

All I'm saying is the US is far more notorious for committing horrible acts of so-called "war" on other nations. Every war from Vietnam, to Panama/Nicagura/Guatemala, to Bosnia, to Gulf War 1 and so on, has always had something controversial about it. Vietnam had Agent Orange, Dragon Tooth Bomblets, dropping Napalm on US soldiers, Panama/Nicagura/Guatemala had the horrible attrocities committed by US-backed Guerilla fighters, Bosnia had the reports of the sex trade committed by US Soldiers and bombing cities, Gulf War 1 had its use of Cruise Missiles, food and water embargoes, and so on. No other nation on the world has been involved in as many different wars as the US, and always for the most ridculous reasons...

I don't hate American people, I hate your Government, your Policies, your belief of Democratising and Disarming other nations, your position as the "World Police", your stubborness to change and admit wrong and so on. The US people are simply unaware of what they're Government and President is doing to the world, and they become oblivious to whats happening elsewhere, and continue to live their lifes being powerless to stop their own Nation's problems...

As Michael Moore put it, "I love my country, I hate my government!"

BTW, if you don't want to be viewed as a dumba** Pro-American patriot who keeps pumping these forums full of s*** stop acting like one, your whole persona suggests to everyone that your a very ignorant and stubborn, die-hard patriot... ever wondered why barely anyone agrees with you?

[edit on 15/3/05 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
BTW, if you don't want to be viewed as a dumba** Pro-American patriot who keeps pumping these forums full of s*** stop acting like one, your whole persona suggests to everyone that your a very ignorant and stubborn, die-hard patriot... ever wondered why barely anyone agrees with you?

No I never wonder why the liberal left wing, American bashing, communist sympathizing, tree hugging, terrorist sympathizing people never agree with me. If they did then I would worry.

Pumping forums full of **** huh, not exactly. It is called balance, and I might add that since the majority here are left leaning, then it is that much more difficult to balance.

Ignorant and Stubborn? Ignorant of many things I will agree, but when I am I wholeheartedly say so. Stubborn? you bet, I can't stand it that most people will by into the kind of crap that the turdblossom folks pass off as truth.

My persona suggests that to YOU because you hate anyone who think like me, anyone who voted for Bush, anyone who loved their country....whatever...........can you smell them? They are in FULL bloom for sure.


EDIT: Oh yeah, I notice that you put down almost every conflict the US has been involved in since the 1950's, and in all of them you make it out like we are nothing but evil......nice stone you cast there, shows your colors.

Of course we have done some 'questionable' things and supported some real dirtbags, but might I suggest you ask yourself if your government had done the same and what exactly was the alternative at the time?

[edit on 15-3-2005 by edsinger]

I love the way everyone says we stick our nose where it doesn't belong, act as the Worlds Police and etc, etc. Believe me when I say that I wish that America would build a fence around it's borders and keep the rest of the worlds problems out. Altough that may have been possible centuries ago it is not possible in present times. We live in a world that is more and more becoming a single economy and what happens to Bumf*** Egypt affects everyone in the world. The USA does not want the job of World Policeman. But after WWII it was thrusted on us by the USSR. You are suppose to learn by your mistakes. The world sat back and did nothing while a German dictator ran amok. A World War that should have been a mighty lesson only turned into a Cold War once Russia decided they wanted to spread communism. Europe was in ashes and trying to rebuild, so who was left to trump Russia's grand agenda? People seem to forget that fear of the spread of communism is what put us in Korea and Vietnam. It wasn't the US against N Korea, it was the US against N Korea, USSR and China. It wasn't the US against North Vietnam, it was the US against N Vietnam, USSR and China. You set there and say that America is the culprit here, we are the instigator, our soldiers are thugs and murderers of innocent civilains. You say our government is corrupt and evil . As a decorated American VFW, I find those accusations coming from other so-called Americans(and I use the term losely) totally horrific. I expect such behavior from outsiders who don't know any better. They are products of their own countries false agenda's and brainwashing. But for an American citizen to so readily annouce with such vile and hatred that our soldiers are the worlds worst practioners of civilian murder is completely outrageous. If you have never served in actual combat and spew such slanderous rhetoric then I suggest you put down you MOH and HALO games and wake the f*** up. If you have served in actual combat and make such a remark then I with all due beligerence call you a f****** liar! It has never been and never will be America's policy to deliberately kill civilains, in any country, in any conflict that American Troops have fought in. Our Military is made up of men and women from all races, religions and even other countries. They are highly trained, highly motivated and above all else of moral character. They are your neighbors, your friends, your fellow citizens. They are not hoodlums. thugs and murderers. As an American citizen you have the right of free speech, you do not however have the right to abuse that priviledge with acidic rantings and borderline lunacy. Do not even insult me by saying that you are a concerned citizen. That is total crap and you know it. Disagreeing with our government policy makers is an American's favorite pastime. Deliberately attacking America's integrity and
calling her freely elected President and Military corrupt and immoral is borderline treason. We are at War people, whether you like it or not. You wish to make a difference then join the Military, run for political office, support a candidate that shares your ideals. Get off your arse and get involved. Much of what is being suggested on this board comes close to aiding and abiding the enemy. Jane Fonda and Tokyo Rose would be proud.
PS: An American Citizenship isn't a God given right to trampled on at leisure, it is a priviledge paid for by the blood of thousands of the same soldiers you so readily accuse. May they forgive you for I sure as hell want!
I nearly got my a** shot off earning mine, what the f*** have you done?

I
As Michael Moore put it, "I love my country, I hate my government!"

Now theres a real American to look up too!

BTW, if you don't want to be viewed as a dumba** Pro-American patriot who keeps pumping these forums full of s*** stop acting like one, your whole persona suggests to everyone that your a very ignorant and stubborn, die-hard patriot... ever wondered why barely anyone agrees with you?

I realize this wasn't directed to me but if you do not mine I would like to join the club. You see I too am all the obove. I wear my patriotic ignorance with pride when my country is being slandered. I would consider it a great honor if you would consider me as a dumba** especially considering the source. After WWII, General Patton refused to join in a toast with a Russian General proclaiming,"I'll not drink with this Russian Bastard!"
Upon hearing this the Russain General then called Patton a bastard!
After which General Patton raised his glass and said, "Well heres from one bastard to another!"

[edit on 15/3/05 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Good post Yorga. I'll give you three thumbs up

Bottom line, its a war. Soldiers are not there to pick daisies. Their certainly not there to kill civilians since this whole war is to liberate them.

Could people please post the United States foreign policies, and how it affects you. Im very intreseted.

YORGA - "The USA does not want the job of World Policeman"

We agree on something, The World doesn't want you doing that either.

Trouble is we can't stop you. Are you willing to stop yourselves? Of course not - you're engaged in a war of global domination otherwise you'd pull out of the Balkans, Tashkent and all the other places you're establishing military / espionage facilities.

The evil done in your name diminishes you as a nation and makes you morally-reponsible for thousands of innocents slaughtered. Never mind eh? at least you get cheap gas / bananas and Nike trainers. So it's all OK overall I suppose.

Originally posted by Yorga
I love the way everyone says we stick our nose where it doesn't belong, act as the Worlds Police and etc, etc. Believe me when I say that I wish that America would build a fence around it's borders and keep the rest of the worlds problems out. Altough that may have been possible centuries ago it is not possible in present times. We live in a world that is more and more becoming a single economy and what happens to Bumf*** Egypt affects everyone in the world. The USA does not want the job of World Policeman. But after WWII it was thrusted on us by the USSR. You are suppose to learn by your mistakes. The world sat back and did nothing while a German dictator ran amok. A World War that should have been a mighty lesson only turned into a Cold War once Russia decided they wanted to spread communism. Europe was in ashes and trying to rebuild, so who was left to trump Russia's grand agenda? People seem to forget that fear of the spread of communism is what put us in Korea and Vietnam. It wasn't the US against N Korea, it was the US against N Korea, USSR and China. It wasn't the US against North Vietnam, it was the US against N Vietnam, USSR and China. You set there and say that America is the culprit here, we are the instigator, our soldiers are thugs and murderers of innocent civilains. You say our government is corrupt and evil . As a decorated American VFW, I find those accusations coming from other so-called Americans(and I use the term losely) totally horrific. I expect such behavior from outsiders who don't know any better. They are products of their own countries false agenda's and brainwashing. But for an American citizen to so readily annouce with such vile and hatred that our soldiers are the worlds worst practioners of civilian murder is completely outrageous. If you have never served in actual combat and spew such slanderous rhetoric then I suggest you put down you MOH and HALO games and wake the f*** up. If you have served in actual combat and make such a remark then I with all due beligerence call you a f****** liar! It has never been and never will be America's policy to deliberately kill civilains, in any country, in any conflict that American Troops have fought in. Our Military is made up of men and women from all races, religions and even other countries. They are highly trained, highly motivated and above all else of moral character. They are your neighbors, your friends, your fellow citizens. They are not hoodlums. thugs and murderers. As an American citizen you have the right of free speech, you do not however have the right to abuse that priviledge with acidic rantings and borderline lunacy. Do not even insult me by saying that you are a concerned citizen. That is total crap and you know it. Disagreeing with our government policy makers is an American's favorite pastime. Deliberately attacking America's integrity and
calling her freely elected President and Military corrupt and immoral is borderline treason. We are at War people, whether you like it or not. You wish to make a difference then join the Military, run for political office, support a candidate that shares your ideals. Get off your arse and get involved. Much of what is being suggested on this board comes close to aiding and abiding the enemy. Jane Fonda and Tokyo Rose would be proud.
PS: An American Citizenship isn't a God given right to trampled on at leisure, it is a priviledge paid for by the blood of thousands of the same soldiers you so readily accuse. May they forgive you for I sure as hell want!
I nearly got my a** shot off earning mine, what the f*** have you done?

I have been a member of these boards for almost a year and I think I can count the way above top secret awards I have given out on one hand,

Make it 2 m8!

Cheers, I could not have even come close to that excellent reply!

Originally posted by Yorga
After WWII, General Patton refused to join in a toast with a Russian General proclaiming,"I'll not drink with this Russian Bastard!"
Upon hearing this the Russain General then called Patton a bastard!
After which General Patton raised his glass and said, "Well heres from one bastard to another!"

Well you can bet I love that one!

Originally posted by CTID56092
Trouble is we can't stop you. Are you willing to stop yourselves? Of course not - you're engaged in a war of global domination otherwise you'd pull out of the Balkans, Tashkent and all the other places you're establishing military / espionage facilities.

We tried our damnedest to stay out of the Balkans, but the Europeans would not stop the murder of Innocent MUSLIMS! We did, with help but no one wanted to get involved until the US stepped up to the plate and you all know it.

[edit on 15-3-2005 by edsinger]

ED...I am not a TURDBLOSSOM

I am American, Conservative, Radical




And I Burn The Flag of

Traitors To the Constitution

(p.s. those are white people burning the flag, not muslims)
(so don't spread hate speech directed at other races)

USA boooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Down With American Imperialism
Restore the Republic

Constitution? Well we might have something in common then, but just how do you propose we do that?


Isolationism is not in the cards anymore...wether you accept it or not, and to call us imperialistic is absurd, where are the tax revenues from our colonies?

Originally posted by edsinger
Constitution? Well we might have something in common then, but just how do you propose we do that?


Isolationism is not in the cards anymore...wether you accept it or not, and to call us imperialistic is absurd, where are the tax revenues from our colonies?

Restoring the Republic? I dunno Ed... I have lost faith in that work and am quite dissappointed in myself as well. I don't know if I should start writing more again and get it published or just sit and think or tinker with my hobby or what not.... That's why Status Quo reigns - and another reason I opted to view USA from the outside for a while. A study. Experiment. Enlightenment attempt.

About Imperialism..

Corporations are our colonial embassies as we export American culture, values and most importanlty el Dollar!

In this fashion the Neo-Imperialism of America is also the face we know as Globalization.

I agree, Isolation is gone and over with.

Ahh alas, what can we do but rant and rave... I don't know. The world has too many people...or we aren't directing our resources at sustaing them all.

I liked all your posts until today...

YORGA: Disagreeing with our government policy makers is an American's favorite pastime. Deliberately attacking America's integrity and
calling her freely elected President and Military corrupt and immoral is borderline treason.

No Yorga, you are wrong talking about borderline treason.
Maybe it is yourself that you are talking about....
I trust this mans words more than your opinions.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ---Theodore Roosevelt

Originally posted by Yorga
Our Military is made up of men and women from all races, religions and even other countries. They are highly trained, highly motivated and above all else of moral character.

The main motivation for our young soldiers to join the army is a stable job, college education and getting away from home. The main motivation for our weekend warriors is extra money. Basic mercenaries fighting for a imperial army obcessed with world financial domination.

They are your neighbors, your friends, your fellow citizens. They are not hoodlums. thugs and murderers.

My fellow citizens of America are hoodlums thugs and murderers, black, white, brown, yellow, red. They come in all shapes, sexes, colors, and religions. They steal, kill, maim and lie. How could these elements escape our army? They can't. Fellow citizens of America are just as corrupted as are army. (No don't go flaming my arse for this, I didn't say ALL)

As an American citizen you have the right of free speech, you do not however have the right to abuse that priviledge with acidic rantings and borderline lunacy.

I have the right to say whatever the F I want to. And you have the right to Ignore it. But you don't have the right to tell me what priviliges I can and cannot abuse now do you? I didn't think so.

Do not even insult me by saying that you are a concerned citizen.

I could care less what happens to you. I could care about what happens to future generations. As I see it you are already infected with the disease of 'faith' in a system that doesn't serve you. Pity. WAKE UP



If you hadn't said that I would have wasted time giving you quotes and information about what I'm talking about but God Damn, you are speaking like a nutty professor hell bent on ranting and raving about the opposition being the sons of the devil.

We are at War people, whether you like it or not. You wish to make a difference then join the Military, run for political office, support a candidate that shares your ideals. Get off your arse and get involved.

You are only at war if you choose to support this illegal war. You obviously support the war and want it and like it because you believe in the crazy crap floating in and out of your ears broadcasted by your mind controlling agents. WE are not at war. Bush and his corrupt administration has chosen war and you can choose to RESIST it.

Much of what is being suggested on this board comes close to aiding and abiding the enemy.

Actually if you speak as you have spoken you are a true enemy of the state. An enemy of Freedom. An enemy of the Constitution. And an enemy of mine.

PS: An American Citizenship isn't a God given right to trampled on at leisure, it is a priviledge paid for by the blood of thousands of the same soldiers you so readily accuse. May they forgive you for I sure as hell want!
I nearly got my a** shot off earning mine, what the f*** have you done?

American Citizenship is a duty to live and fulfill our committments to the constitution. To bring our republic to it's fullest glory. And not to trample on it's honor with shuch escapades into other soverign states for money and power. Greed will kill you.


[edit on 15-3-2005 by 00PS]

Oops, you simply don't get it do you? Must be why you're where you are. Thank God you don't live in the U.S. Please don't come back, we don't want you.

[edit on 15-3-2005 by SourGrapes]

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Oops, you simply don't get it do you? Must be why you're where you are. Thank God you do live in the U.S. Please don't come back, we don't want you.

Thanks, hope you get warned for that idiotic statement that has no reason to be there except for your 'hate'....love you too honey pie *smooch* *smooch*

Originally posted by CTID56092
Trouble is we can't stop you. Are you willing to stop yourselves? Of course not - you're engaged in a war of global domination otherwise you'd pull out of the Balkans, Tashkent and all the other places you're establishing military / espionage facilities.

We tried our damnedest to stay out of the Balkans, but the Europeans would not stop the murder of Innocent MUSLIMS! We did, with help but no one wanted to get involved until the US stepped up to the plate and you all know it.

[edit on 15-3-2005 by edsinger]


Just plain wrong.

The original situation was stirred up by the CIA to open old wounds, create a TV war, flex American muscle in Europe's back yard and allow the US to build bases in the former Soviet bloc - increasing the ring of bases around your biggest economic ally.

You picked at barely healed wounds and hey presto instant war, a one-name bogeyman (essential for US foreign policy?) and US occupation with the EU's blessing.

I'll admit the CIA are good, I'm jealous, if you guys realised just how brutal and effective they are you'd pay them more.

The lesson worked - Poland etc fell into line allowing Rumsfeld to try his 'Old/New Europe' divide and rule tactic.

Obviously we (UK) knows our place (guv) but you sure showed those pesky Germans & Frenchies who runs Europe.

Originally posted by 00PS

Originally posted by SourGrapes
Oops, you simply don't get it do you? Must be why you're where you are. Thank God you do live in the U.S. Please don't come back, we don't want you.

Thanks, hope you get warned for that idiotic statement that has no reason to be there except for your 'hate'....love you too honey pie *smooch* *smooch*

Warned? I'll wipe my a** with warnings before I bow to anything you type! You're seriously clueless on getting your word out, aren't you? I haven't read anything past the 50 font. I take it as yelling, you should be the one warned.

BTW, your avatar is great! Is it your true symbol of what you believe? Nice. Get a life dude before you have a heart attack.

Yah well please don't post if you don't read the other postings...Don't circumvent the censors and also stay on topic...you could also follow the T&C here too.

Yelling? Large Fonts? You need to check the T&C. Personal attacks are against the rules buddy. Also, I find it humorous you attack me with such vengence. You know nothing about me or my thoughts, and you don't even read my words. You are the one making a donkey out of yourself..

Have a nice day. *******BIG HUG*********

Originally posted by 00PS
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ---Theodore Roosevelt

When good ol Teddy, my favorite President I think or damn close to it said these words, he was not faced with the American population putting his 'rough riders' in harms way to make a political point. he never actually had to face what this world is and if you would think he would condone what the Liberal left (tulip-walkers) are doing today, you might ought to rethink that conviction. Sure he would be bad mouthing Bush and Congress as we ALL do, but there was a limit even then.

Never forget the context in which he spoke it.......

Originally posted by 00PS
My fellow citizens of America are hoodlums thugs and murderers, black, white, brown, yellow, red. They come in all shapes, sexes, colors, and religions. They steal, kill, maim and lie. How could these elements escape our army? They can't. Fellow citizens of America are just as corrupted as are army. (No don't go flaming my arse for this, I didn't say ALL)

I cant argue this really, you are correct, but wouldn't you give the volunteer the benefit of the doubt when the source of the accusations are considered?

Originally posted by 00PStalking about but God Damn

There was no need for this........

Originally posted by 00PS
You are only at war if you choose to support this illegal war. You obviously support the war and want it and like it because you believe in the crazy crap floating in and out of your ears broadcasted by your mind controlling agents. WE are not at war. Bush and his corrupt administration has chosen war and you can choose to RESIST it.

Illegal in whose eyes? France? We had the resolutions that were not being followed from the first war.....you just believe that it is for oil and therefore are blinded to what is really at stake , and it is far beyond oil. You play into thine enemy's hand.

Originally posted by 00PS

Much of what is being suggested on this board comes close to aiding and abiding the enemy.

Actually if you speak as you have spoken you are a true enemy of the state. An enemy of Freedom. An enemy of the Constitution. And an enemy of mine.

I can see where he is coming from, as you can not. If you consider Jane Fonda a patriot then count me as an enemy also.

Originally posted by 00PSAnd not to trample on it's honor with shuch escapades into other soverign states for money and power

If that is what you think this is over, oil or money, then you better wake up. That is only a cover for the underlying threat that would have confronted the United States no matter if Gore would have been in office. The difference is that warmongering cowboy as you think of him has balls and has called the bluff and stepped up to the table and now you want a re-deal? It doesn't work that way.

Originally posted by CTID56092The original situation was stirred up by the CIA to open old wounds, create a TV war, flex American muscle in Europe's back yard and allow the US to build bases in the former Soviet bloc - increasing the ring of bases around your biggest economic ally.

You picked at barely healed wounds and hey presto instant war, a one-name bogeyman (essential for US foreign policy?) and US occupation with the EU's blessing.

Obviously not the history buff now are you?

It was a MOVIE! Wag the Dog was a MOVIE...........geez..........