524,903 Infected in the U.S. 20,389 Dead from COVID-19 a 3.88% Death Rate

I just saw these numbers on Fox News.

524,903 infected and 20,389. The death toll in the U.S. has increased to 3.88%

Unfortunately when searching online I could only find this article.

Coronavirus updates: US surpasses 20,000 deaths, the highest national death toll

Three or 4 days ago there were 7,077 dead in the U.S. from COVID-19, and now we are at 20,389. Yet we still get people claiming how this virus is not that bad.

This is not going to stop, the virus is already out there, and we know that animals can get it from humans, so humans should also get it from animals like bats and cats.

Tigers, lions catch COVID-19 at New York zoo: What that means for your pets’ risk

If tigers and lions can get it, cats can get it as well.

Virus mutate, and hopefully this one becomes less lethal and less contagious, but that's just hopeful thinking. We will at least have this virus around one more year, if not longer. We will have to see what happens. However, what should be obvious by now is that this virus has the potential to kill a lot more people than "the regular flu" or other viruses like SARS.

If the death rate just continues to be what it is now at 3.88%, and we get let's say 50,000,000 infected, that would mean a potential for 1,940,000 people dead from this virus just in the U.S. But there are people whom don't seem to care if this many people die in the U.S.

Yes, I am aware that it is thought the infection rate has slowed down, and hopefully it stays that way.

One more thing I wanted to say. Hopefully countries have thought this through and have a contingency plan to deal with it. Even if infected people stay at home, those people have to use their bathrooms to relieve themselves, take showers etc. Which would mean our sewers will have at least traces of the virus. Rats will get the virus, and rats have to get out of the sewers to find food. Animals like cats are able to get the virus, and cats have contact with humans. So unless we disinfect our sewers this virus will come around and we will have another outbreak.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The infection rate is higher than the tested rate. So the mortality rate means little.

www.researchgate.net...a reply to: ElectricUniverse

www.researchgate.net...

This guy makes a ton of sense , highly suggest at least opening your mind to his perspective

Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus.

Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunity.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Fox News is a crap source

Things to be aware of:

The death rate is only based on testing done, and seeing as testing is lagging behind, there's a good chance that a lot of people have already had the infection, therefore the death rate is probably lower.

Once more testing is done, a more accurate picture can be formed.

There are still risks however, a second wave can occur if quarantine measures are not adhered to

a reply to: putnam6

China and at least Iran have lied about their numbers of infected and dead. Because WHO, which now has a communist director whom is not a doctor, decided to give credence to the lies from China the infection rate worldwide got worse. It could have been much lower if from the start WHO would have told the truth.

In China many of the whistleblowers are dead, supposedly of the virus but I wouldn't leave out murders by the CCP to contain information from China. There are many other human right activists in China whom have disappeared and we don't know what has happened to them.

Here is a piece of advice from someone whom actually experienced a communist dictatorship with a socialist economy. Don't ever believe the claims made by communist regimes. They lie 100% of the time.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You’re not too bright, please research with an open mind and critical thinking. Then you will be enlightened......

p.s. Way more people have been infected (only tested are shown) meaning death rate is probably right around .02 ✌🏼

originally posted by: putnam6
www.researchgate.net...a reply to: ElectricUniverse

www.researchgate.net...

This guy makes a ton of sense , highly suggest at least opening your mind to his perspective

Perspectives on the Pandemic, Professor Knut Wittkowski, for twenty years head of The Rockefeller University's Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design, says that social distancing and lockdown is the absolutely worst way to deal with an airborne respiratory virus.

Further, he offers data to show that China and South Korea had already reached their peak number of cases when they instituted their containment measures. In other words, nature had already achieved, or nearly achieved, herd immunit

From the Bulwark:

Knut Wittkowski: The Coronavirus Truthers’ Newest “Expert"

by JONATHAN V. LAST

Grokking this basic premise isn’t like understanding string theory.

If you can’t even “see a good reason” for flattening the curve, then you probably don’t know what you’re talking about.

After this, Wittkowski goes on to say that there is no shortage of PPE equipment. His reasoning is that, somewhere in the world, there exists PPE equipment that is not currently being used, ergo any local “shortage” is just a misallocation.

This is true in the same way that a drought is just a misallocation of water that is currently in the ocean.

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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Not that bad" doesn't mean nobody is dying. "Not that bad" means it is NOT the hellstorm Americans were fear mongered into surrendering their economy and their Constitution to fight. In my judgement, that's 100% accurate... millions were never going to die from this. It's absolutely an overblown bulwark that globalism needed as a last ditch effort to stem the tide against their global world order that the past decade or so had seen crumbling around the planet.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Try this, E.U.:

Go to Google.com

Search on the word "misdiagnosed"

One thing you'll notice is there are very few entries from 2020 in search results.

This particular conspiracy is bigger than most people are un-willing to even consider, as being possible.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Not that bad" doesn't mean nobody is dying. "Not that bad" means it is NOT the hellstorm Americans were fear mongered into surrendering their economy and their Constitution to fight. In my judgement, that's 100% accurate... millions were never going to die from this. It's absolutely an overblown bulwark that globalism needed as a last ditch effort to stem the tide against their global world order that the past decade or so had seen crumbling around the planet.

Considering the "experts" said it would be 100k minimum and the CDC has reported ZERO deaths from the flu and pneumonia? I would say you are 100% correct!

20k hardly represents the attacks against our Constitutional rights that we have seen so far, and I expect it to get worse. The sharks smell blood in the water and ..........

The US has the highest death rate IF you really believe that the most populous country on earth only had 3,000 deaths after they quarantined massive numbers of infected people together with massive numbers of uninfected people.

It is (of course) also possible that China is out of tests and so don't know how many people are sick and are just burying the bodies in mass graves like always seems to happen in communist countries when things get bad. There's no telling what's really going on over there because...well.....China.

a reply to: putnam6

Sorry I can't watch that . He knows full well what's going to happen and he's in a terrible state mentally.
He's in denial mode basically he's very frightened indeed . It's really sad to see .

There's no way out of this and maybe you need to see it how it is , it's a very very very serious situation we re all in. I feel really very sorry for him .

Op , get stats on the hospitalisation rate . If half a million are confirmed us cases the hospitals will be reaching capacity ( with upto a third (160 000) in hospital or about to go in ) is that the case.

Figures dont tell the surrow that many have faced during this outbreak. My heart goes out to them. But as bad as this virus is now. It will eventually mutate to something less lethal so it can be more successful in propogating thoughout the human population. So don't allow the elevated coverage of covid-19 to elevate your fears. We need just practice proper hygiene to minimize risk to ourselves and those around us.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

Fox News is a crap source

Fox news is better than msnbc, or CNN, or any left-wing media which have been lying for over 3 years and continue lying.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
Things to be aware of:

The death rate is only based on testing done, and seeing as testing is lagging behind, there's a good chance that a lot of people have already had the infection, therefore the death rate is probably lower.

Once more testing is done, a more accurate picture can be formed.

There are still risks however, a second wave can occur if quarantine measures are not adhered to

Ironic, that's what was said from the start, but instead of the death rate going down, it has gone up.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

The CCP has lied from the start. They have made human right activists disappear, and ordered U.S. journalists out of China to control their information. It's what communist regimes do. They lie 100% of the time.

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You’re not too bright, please research with an open mind and critical thinking. Then you will be enlightened......

p.s. Way more people have been infected (only tested are shown) meaning death rate is probably right around .02 ✌🏼

Ah, right, can't actually discuss the topic? So instead try to attack the person giving the info because you lack the intelligence to actually separate discussing the topic from attacking the messenger... If you are looking for "not too bright", start looking in a mirror buddy.

Members in this forum from the start were saying this would not be that bad, and we would be seeing fewer deaths with time, the contrary has occurred.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
I remember one of the ardent "covid-19 skeptics" (can't recall username) in the earlier update threads saying with such confidence how we'd see the US CFR go down very quickly as more testing was done (it was around 1.24% at the time). Fast forward a couple weeks and the CFR is fast approaching 4%... Funnily enough I haven't seen that member post anything for a couple weeks.

Sure that might not be the actual CFR but it clearly shows a trend. People saying the actual CFR "is more like 0.02%" are simply pulling numbers out of their asses and have no clue. What I do know for sure though, is when you compare the number of hospitalizations and deaths of covid-19 to the flu -- within a locality where covid-19 is prolific -- it's not even comparable. You have more cases/deaths of covid-19 in a day or two than the flu provides in a week or more (in some cases a month).

The total number of deaths we see as a result of covid-19 may end up being substantially less than original estimates -- but let's not kid ourselves and think the lockdown measures are not the primary reason for that.

3.88% is best case scenario at this point. None of those people are going to come back to life.

If all the rest of the 500k people currently infected in the US miraculously healed up and we had not a single another case OR death, we could say this disease had a 3.88% mortality. So, short of a miracle, ~4% is the lowest possible rate.

My estimate -- when this is all done it will be between 12% and 15% deceased.

originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
a reply to: putnam6

Op , get stats on the hospitalisation rate . If half a million are confirmed us cases the hospitals will be reaching capacity ( with upto a third (160 000) in hospital or about to go in ) is that the case.

Are you assuming that noone is being, or has been cured?

Indeed that's the most glaring error with these CoronaVirus statistic sites.

Like this one for instance: www.worldometers.info...

Only 30,000 of 500,000 Covid-19 cases in the USA have recovered since mid-February?

Give me a break.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The infection rate is higher than the tested rate. So the mortality rate means little.

The death rate is most likely much higher than recorded, also. The number of seniors and those dyeing with preexisting conditions aren't being tested.