Coronavirus: Terrorists and Intentional Spread

I look at the number of cases of coronavirus in New York City and I can't help but wonder...Could a group of terrorists, jihadists, have gone around and intentionally tried to infect the city?

What would it look like if some ISIS jihadists, on a suicide mission, what would it look like if they intentionally spread coronavirus on purpose?

1. You would see large numbers of Jews targeted by ISIS and large numbers of Jews infected in New York City, London, and other countries' Jewish populations would be infected at higher rates.

2. The areas where Muslim Jihadists live would also have high numbers of coronavirus cases as they bring it home.

3. ISIS jihadists would try to infect government buildings, like blowing snot on a handkerchief or their hands and wiping it on doorknobs and people who work in those buildings who touch the doorknobs, would catch it. Like Wall Street buildings, the Stock Exchange, Congress buildings, Parliament Buildings.

SO DID THIS HAPPEN? OR is it theoretical?

Let's address the first group that ISIS JIHADISTS would attack, if they intentionally spread coronavirus: ISIS would attack the Jewish Community.

The first town quarantined in New York was the town of New Rochelle. The cases there stemmed from a Jewish attorney in New York City who spread it to his son. His son worked at a Jewish school and a large number of Jews were infected.

No one could trace where the Jewish attorney caught it. The mayor of New York City said that the attorney just got back from Israel, but there was no cluster of cases in Israel connected to him.

De Blasio on Coronavirus in Jewish Community and the Attorney

But yet another article contends that the Jewish attorney and his wife had recently travelled to Iran. Not sure if this article is valid. Not sure why a Jewish attorney would be in Iran. But it makes it sound like the coronavirus strain came from Iran.

New York Times: Attorney At Center of NY Coronavirus Cluster

New Rochelle Jewish community caught inside coronavirus ‘containment zone’

If ISIS JIHADISTS didn't have anything to do with this attorney's coronavirus case, then if they had been watching the news about it, they might have gotten the idea. CNN tried to blame the one attorney for all the cases. If ISIS JIHADISTS didn't have anything to do with it, then on March 11, CNN's story would have definitely given them the idea of intentionally infecting Jewish communities.

CNN: Traces all cases of Coronavirus in Jewish Community to one Attorney

Shortly after CNN's story, ISIS published its editorial on COVID-19 in the 19 March edition of its weekly newsletter Al-Naba (the Dispatch).

...that ISIS’s fighters might “escalate their military operations against [the West’s] apostate helpers in Muslim countries”
...
Al-Naba concludes from the foregoing that Muslims have a “duty” to protect themselves and their loved ones from COVID-19’s spread, but also to act. The editorial enjoins ISIS supporters...to show no mercy to the “infidels” and “apostates” in their moment of crisis, and instead to attack and weaken them, rendering them less able to harm Muslims; and to bear in mind that the calamity befalling the West and its allies “will substantially undercut their ability to wage war on the mujahideen in the coming period”. The editorial closes by reminding readers that the best way to avoid God’s punishment – ...the act of obedience most beloved to God is “jihad” and inflicting pain on His enemies.


Contending with ISIS in the Time of Coronavirus

At that point, what would stop ISIS JIHADISTS from intentionally spreading coronavirus? All they had to do was take a blanket off a dead coronavirus victim from Iran or snotty kleenexes and mail pieces of it to ISIS contacts in NYC, London, France, Belgium. Even if flights were cancelled to Iran, mail didn't stop. Then after coronavirus infected items were mailed to their operatives in other cities, they might have done suicide missions: infecting themselves, spitting on their hands and wiping it on Jewish Synagogues door handles. Or perhaps if they knew a certain group of taxis regularly service Jewish communities in NYC, while they were parked, they might have wiped snot rags on door handles of the taxis.

So is the Jewish community of NYC dispropotionately infected? YES!! The most heavily Jewish populated areas of New York have the most cases AS WELL as the Middle Eastern areas.


The New York Neighborhoods With the Most Coronavirus Cases: The Wall Street Journal

So it is possible that ISIS JIHADISTS, mailed coronavirus infected objects to their operatives in NYC and then after they infected themselves, they targeted Jewish Neighborhoods, Wall Street, the New York Stock Exchange, and then inevitably brought it back into their own Middle Eastern Neighborhoods.

With ISIS rallying their supporters March 18-19, 2020 in their publication Al-Naba, if they did attack, what would it look like?

According to China's DAY-BY-DAY Model of what happens when a person is infected with Coronavirus, the Chinese contend that it is DAY 7 after a person contracts the virus, that they are usually hospitalized.

Detailed Day By Day Symptoms of Coronavirus: China's Data

So if ISIS JIHADISTS went around intentionally infecting others at the March 19, 2020 ISIS Al-Naba Newsletter, then New York City should have seen a record number of hospitalizations Day 7 after it was done. Which would be March 26. Did that happen? YES!! New York hospitals were flooded with patients on March 26, 2020--the LARGEST surge.

So if ISIS JIHADISTS were attacking Jews in NYC, what about other cities? Is there a disproportionate number of Jews infected in other places? Yes.

-In New Jersey, 5 rabbis died of coronavirus.
-In Quebec, Canada, there is a coronavirus outbreak among the Jewish community.
-In Amsterdam, 15 people infected died in a Jewish Nursing Home, with 22 more sick
-In Sweden, 9 Jewish Holocaust survivors died of coronavirus and in Sweden, Jews are less than 1% of the population
-There are cases of coronavirus in Denmark
-In California, two separate Jewish nursing homes with no connection to one another are infected with coronavirus
- In Chicago, the neighborhoods with large numbers of Jews and those of Middle Easter descent hit hardest

So addressing Group 1, the Jewish community, if ISIS did attack them with Coronavirus, looks like they got hit hard.

Group 2, was if ISIS JIHADISTS had intentionally infected themselves with Coronavirus to spread it, they would have inevitably brought it back to their own neighborhoods. Looks like middle eastern neighborhoods have high numbers of cases, too.

Group 3, if ISIS JIHADISTS went around intentionally infecting others, they would have hit government buildings and Wall Street and the Stock Exchange and Parliament.

Clearly England's Parliament got hit. I wonder if they keep a backlog video of their doors. Do they see anyone connected to ISIS wiping door handles with a snotty handkerchief? Or they could have just spit on their hands and touched door knobs.

In Washington DC, with most of Congress doing video conferencing from their home states, if ISIS attacked government buildings there It would be the workers or residents in DC's predominantly black population who would have been hit. Janitors, cleaning ladies, people who deal with day-to-day work and upkeep of the buildings who would end up infected. Did this happen? Bet they haven't tested them unless they had enough symptoms.

WHAT WOULD STOP TERRORISTS FROM DOING IT AGAIN?

With all the media showing the mass graves of those who died of coronavirus on Hart Island, now everyone knows where the virus is to dig up.

So what would stop ISIS JIHADISTS from digging up a body on Hart Island...oh say 6 months from now...and intentionally infecting themselves to go around spitting on their hands and snotty handkerchiefs and spreading it all over NYC a 2nd time???? They can still get blankets from the dead directly from Iran coronavirus victims of they want to.

ISIS seems to kill indiscriminately. I don't think they would bother to try to target Jews. As far as they are concerned all of the western world is in league anyhow, and we are all targets.

ETA: I agree it seems like there is a special scenario playing out in NY

a reply to: MapMistress

Not saying it's not possible but in many of your scenarios it would be extremely unlikely such as through the mail and digging up previously infected bodies don't think it's hardy enough to survive 6 months. Generally, respiratory viruses need to keep a fresh supply of hosts to thrive and multiply.

Could see a person or 5 trying such tactics but as far as an organized ISIS effort not buying it. LOL you did see that guy getting the hell beat out himself when he was spitting on stuff in a grocery store, along with being arrested.

www.livescience.com...


But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway? The short answer is, we don't know. A new analysis found that the virus can remain viable in the air for up to 3 hours, on copper for up to 4 hours, on cardboard up to 24 hours and on plastic and stainless steel up to 72 hours. This study was originally published in the preprint database medRxiv on March 11, and now a revised version was published March 17 in The New England Journal of Medicine.

a reply to: putnam6

Not sure how probable the scenario in the OP is, I know it's plausible.

But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway?

SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020).

emphasis mine

Public Health Responses to COVID-19 Outbreaks on Cruise Ships — Worldwide, February–March 2020 - CDC

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: putnam6

Not sure how probable the scenario in the OP is, I know it's plausible.

But how long can the new coronavirus linger on surfaces, anyway?

SARS-CoV-2 RNA was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess but before disinfection procedures had been conducted (Takuya Yamagishi, National Institute of Infectious Diseases, personal communication, 2020).

emphasis mine

Public Health Responses to COVID-19 Outbreaks on Cruise Ships — Worldwide, February–March 2020 - CDC

Yes but that's a cruise ship docked at a stable climate-controlled environment, the mail and packages go through all kinds of different temps and wouldn't be surprised if some even have quasi sterilization procedures at some places if for insurance purposes and nothing else.

a reply to: MapMistress

It's possible but completely unescassarry, your very own citizens will spread the virus around intentionally while claiming they have a constitutional right to do so.

People purposely opening products and spitting in them or infecting door handles, etc. should be at the very least, charged with a federal hate crime.

That behavior needs to stop like NOW.😡

a reply to: MapMistress

Targeting Jews ? - Possible.

But has everyone forgottern what happened just before all this started ???


Iran vows revenge and 'harsh retaliation' after U.S. kills its top general

"The great nation of Iran will take revenge for this heinous crime," the Iranian president tweeted.

Iran vowed to seek revenge on the United States on Friday after an American airstrike killed one of the country's most powerful military and political figures.

The U.S. bombing near Baghdad airport killed Qassem Soleimani, the high-profile commander of Iran's secretive Quds Force and sometimes described as the country's second most influential person.

The article is from Jan. 3, 2020
See it here:
www.nbcnews.com...

So if you want to talk about terrorists - Who, and from where would you look first?

And lets not forget North Korea whose leader has again expressed his displeasure with the West.

Sure it may have backfired with Iran supposedly hit hard by Covid 19 - But like you point out
- desperate terrorists don't give a dam!

Meantime North Korea insists it has no cases of Coronavirus at all

- Should we beieve this ???

There is of course one problem with all this terrortists speculaion - Prove it

- Otherwise its pure speculation.

originally posted by: AlienView
a reply to: MapMistress

Targeting Jews ? - Possible.

But has everyone forgottern what happened just before all this started ???


Iran vows revenge and 'harsh retaliation' after U.S. kills its top general

"The great nation of Iran will take revenge for this heinous crime," the Iranian president tweeted.

The U.S. bombing near Baghdad airport killed Qassem Soleimani, the high-profile commander of Iran's secretive Quds Force and sometimes described as the country's second most influential person.

So if you want to talk about terrorists - Who, and from where would you look first?

Actually that's what I was thinking. That it could have been covid 19 from Iran shipped to NYC. Literally, all they would have to do is take one blanket off a person who died of covid 19 in Iran, they could cut it into pieces. Then mail the pieces of the blanket to different ISIS operatives around the world. Then it would just take one or more on a suicide mission in each city to infect themselves and spread it.

There is of course one problem with all this terrortists speculaion - Prove it

- Otherwise its pure speculation.

Ahh. But that's just it. How would someone prove it. Even if they pulled some recorded confession of some ISIS member who contended to do it, how would they prove he really did it?

Although, not only does NYC have an abnormally high number of cases, the statistics for Washington DC is out of whack.

As of today, the little region of Washington DC has 2,793 cases. Known cases of those who qualified for the test and were able to test.

The population of Washington DC is only 702,455.

That means that .3976% of Washington DC is knowingly infected with Coronavirus, of those who were able to get the test, who qualified to get the test with enough symptoms.

That seems to be an extremely high infection rate for such a small population in a small area. That is a higher infection rate within a region than most areas of the country.

Compared to the whole country. 770,560 cases confirmed with a population of 328.2 million people in the country. Which makes it .23478% of country infected.

That means that Washington DC has almost double the number of cases per population as the rest of the country.