Sweden challenges Trump and scientific mainstream by refusing to lock down

a reply to: jlafleur02

You will probaly get this virus in the next year or so.

That is the general consensus, but we'll see what happens.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Klassified

Gasp! Personal responsibility? Oh the inhumanity.

Apparently you've never been to Florida.

Man asked trooper to leave scene of crash so he could get more meth, FHP says

Florida laughs in the face of personal responsibility on a daily basis.

There's always got to be a few whackos in the crowd.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Klassified
Sweden's media are not traitors to the country. They support Sweden's government's decision.

Swedish media is so heavily censored, there hands are tied in so many ways theres little point in watching the news. The only way to get the truth is through sites such as flashback.org

A more accurate statement would be...

Swedish media are traitors to there country, the are under total control of the government.

The population of Sweden is only about ten million I think. Multiply their numbers times thirty two to compare them to the USA figures. 9100 infected and almost 800 deaths..... equals 291000 and 25600 deaths.

If you are going to compare stuff, compare it right.

a reply to: Klassified

Good for Sweden, they obviously have it all, hot blonde chicks, freedom and furniture you need to assemble with an Allen key.

So what does Trump have to do with this?

On numerous the threads we have had people saying we don't know what the impact of not having the lockdown place is. Looks like Sweden may provide the control group.

Sadly based on deaths and hospitalisation rates it's not looking good so far.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
So what does Trump have to do with this?

It's in the article. They feel he is wrong about statements he made about Sweden.

Sweden
Pop: 10,230,000
Positive Tested Cases: 9,685 / or 1 out of 1,056 Swedes
Deaths: 870 / or 1 out of 11,759 Swedes
8.98% Death Rate

U.S.
Pop: 330,000,000
Positive Tested Cases: 490,786 / or 1 out of 672 Americans
Deaths: 18,177 / or 1 out of 18,155 Americans
3.70% Death Rate

a reply to: InterplanetaryHobo
Thanks for doing the math, but what about the countries who have locked down their countries and are still experiencing high infection and death rates? I don't think the math is telling the whole story.

originally posted by: Klassified
Maybe, but as we have all learned by the admission of public figures and media, the statistics of this pandemic are hardly accurate. The margins for error are astronomical considering not everyone is tested, and the test itself is not 100% either.

Same could be said for absolutely every virus, ever. For instance, I don't go to the doctor when I get the flu. I know what it feels like, there's nothing they can do about it, and I thought it out. So even though I've had the flu multiple times in my life, I'm not a part of the statistics.

Spain
Pop: 46,660,000
Positive Tested Cases: 157,053 / or 1 out of 297 Spaniards
Deaths: 15,970 / or 1 out of 2,922 Spaniards
10.17% Death Rate

Italy
Pop: 60,480,000
Positive Tested Cases: 147,577 / or 1 out of 410 Italians
Deaths: 18,849 / or 1 out of 3,209 Italians
12.77%

a reply to: Klassified
You have to take into account when the lockdowns went into effect.

Number of cases when lockdown went into effect:
NYC - 7,102
Italy - 9,172
Spain - 7,988
Guatemala (my country) - 19

Looking at the point in the cycle when measures were put in place might show a more accurate picture.

a reply to: daskakik

For the death rates you also have to look at the number of ventilators we have ect. If I'm not mistaken we have way more available.

a reply to: pavil

Sure, there are many variables. Age and the health of the population, beds and ventilators.

Here in Guatemala we have 18M people and 56 ventilators. Probably why getting ahead of the curve was deemed important.

Also, adjusting the raw numbers to the size of the population, as rickymouse pointed out earlier in the thread.

originally posted by: moebius

As of yesterday, Sweden has just over 9100 infected and almost 800 deaths.

a reply to: Klassified
Sweden has only a population of 10 mil. So those numbers are hardly impressive.

Those percentages would translate to around 26,000 deaths in a population the size of the US.

originally posted by: InterplanetaryHobo

Spain
Pop: 46,660,000
Positive Tested Cases: 157,053 / or 1 out of 297 Spaniards
Deaths: 15,970 / or 1 out of 2,922 Spaniards
10.17% Death Rate

Italy
Pop: 60,480,000
Positive Tested Cases: 147,577 / or 1 out of 410 Italians
Deaths: 18,849 / or 1 out of 3,209 Italians
12.77%

I just have to point out, the percentage death rate is almost useless - because it assumes equal access to testing - which does not exist.

The US is doing more testing than these countries are, these countries are more likely to only be testing the very sick.

A better measurement, would be to compare covid 19 deaths to the countries population. Of course that is not great either, because the infection started at different dates everywhere.

a reply to: Klassified

sweden - is a very different country - they do things different over there - its dammed hard to compare it to other countries

a reply to: Klassified

A few is putting it lightly. More like the majority.

*shrugs* I hope it works for them, I hope they prove the rest of the world wrong, or prove they can handle the responsibility.

Here is to hoping.