US Navy removes Captain Brett Crozier who raised alarm

a reply to: visitedbythem

I think he had other concerns besides a bunch of kids having the flu

Not the flu but good for you.
The (acting) Secretary of the Navy disagrees. As do I.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gothmog
Time to shut down the fear mongering would be my guess..

It's a virus. It is immune to the strongest PR that money can buy.

A severe one of a kind illness too!

Millions dead!

Abandon ship!

Not one of a kind, it happens frequently, all through history.

But, as the 18th Century English statesman, Edmund Burke, expressed, "those who don't know any history are doomed to repeat it", and here we go again...

That's why we have a firm hand on the tiller, just like we need in times like this. Feel fortunate

originally posted by: Phage

He may have known his actions would have consequences.

Ah yes. Like saving his own skin with a free ticket off his ship while its filthy with coronavirus.

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gothmog
Time to shut down the fear mongering would be my guess..

It's a virus. It is immune to the strongest PR that money can buy.

A severe one of a kind illness too!

Millions dead!

Abandon ship!

Not one of a kind, it happens frequently, all through history.

But, as the 18th Century English statesman, Edmund Burke, expressed, "those who don't know any history are doomed to repeat it", and here we go again...

That's why we have a firm hand on the tiller, just like we need in times like this. Feel fortunate

I do feel fortunate but Trump isn't the leader of my country.

New Zealand have chosen to isolate strongly, quite early. We are also testing heavily. Our country wasn't in financial deficit prior to the virus, and our government released billions of dollars, quite early, to fund both medical resources and to cover support for those affected by a loss of income during the crisis.

It isn't a perfect solution but look at the current statistics of the respective countries.

a reply to: chr0naut

Listen man, please make sure you tell the children in the future that some of us were cool people before the plague. OK? Tell them about the internet and ATS and America and cool people!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gothmog
Time to shut down the fear mongering would be my guess..

It's a virus. It is immune to the strongest PR that money can buy.

A severe one of a kind illness too!

Millions dead!

Abandon ship!

Not one of a kind, it happens frequently, all through history.

But, as the 18th Century English statesman, Edmund Burke, expressed, "those who don't know any history are doomed to repeat it", and here we go again...

That's why we have a firm hand on the tiller, just like we need in times like this. Feel fortunate

I do feel fortunate but Trump isn't the leader of my country.

New Zealand have chosen to isolate strongly, quite early. We are also testing heavily. Our country wasn't in financial deficit prior to the virus, and our government released billions of dollars, quite early, to fund both medical resources and to cover support for those affected by a loss of income during the crisis.

It isn't a perfect solution but look at the current statistics of the respective countries.

Let me clarify:

President Trump is the leader of the free world

While I applaud his effort and leadership towards his men, he is potentially putting the us at risk.
Signaling that a carrier group has weakened due to a virus could be an invitation for bad intentions.

a reply to: cayote

Which he absolutely would have been aware of, far more than any of us I reckon, yet did it anyway. Cant wrap my ahead around that one.

The Roosevelt Strike Group departed Da Nang, Vietnam Monday, March 09 and 15 days later discovered the first three sailors positive with COVID-19. These first victims were airlifted from the ship immediately and The Roosevelt Group sailed on arriving at Guam 3 days later on Friday, March 27.
A few seconds on Google Earth and some quick and dirty math thus reveals that the Strike Group apparently drifted from Vietnam to Guam at a lazy 5-6 knots. I've spent hours fruitlessly combing the net seeking publically reported maneuvers of the Group after departing Da Nang, any detour that might account for the creeping pace.
Even more mystifying is that the fleet seemed to maintain its slow crawl even after the outbreak began.
Admittedly, I am FAR from being an expert on anything relevant to my post so it's quite possible that there's a simple, logical explanation. So please, prove my parents right - confirm that knowledge can be dangerous in the wrong noggin.
Prove me wrong or, at least, make this make sense to a knucklehead like me.

a reply to: Phage

Perhaps he was a holdover from Obama era who survived the purge and his actions had other nefarious cinsequences involveda reply to: Gothmog

a reply to: visitedbythem

Yeah, ya shouldn't have to clarify, should be common knowledge - as goes America so goes the world. Especially in those rare moments (now) when we actually have strength in the White House.
But hey, I did enjoy the brutal simplicity of your statement, so thanks!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lumenari

So not using his chain of command at all.

But brass has been known to throw subordinates under the bus. Haven't they?

It happens. I’ve been thrown under a very large, fast moving bus to cover asses. It’s never pleasant. And as much as I hate to admit it, I had it coming and honestly got off easy in hindsight. So there’s a definite possibility that this is the case of a superior officer covering their own Alpha Sierra Sierra. But, if he skipped proper channels and released his rant publicly while entirely skipping chain of command, I don’t pity the end of his career.

originally posted by: skybandit
The commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt has been removed after saying the US Navy was not doing enough to halt a coronavirus outbreak on board the aircraft carrier.
More: www.bbc.com...

Time to shut up the sheeple perhaps?

Shocker.

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: visitedbythem

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Gothmog
Time to shut down the fear mongering would be my guess..

It's a virus. It is immune to the strongest PR that money can buy.

A severe one of a kind illness too!

Millions dead!

Abandon ship!

Not one of a kind, it happens frequently, all through history.

But, as the 18th Century English statesman, Edmund Burke, expressed, "those who don't know any history are doomed to repeat it", and here we go again...

That's why we have a firm hand on the tiller, just like we need in times like this. Feel fortunate

I do feel fortunate but Trump isn't the leader of my country.

New Zealand have chosen to isolate strongly, quite early. We are also testing heavily. Our country wasn't in financial deficit prior to the virus, and our government released billions of dollars, quite early, to fund both medical resources and to cover support for those affected by a loss of income during the crisis.

It isn't a perfect solution but look at the current statistics of the respective countries.

Let me clarify:

President Trump is the leader of the free world

Ha, ha, ha, ha.



The US Constitution embraced slavery and did not allow women to vote. The country was birthed in non-freedom. The founding fathers were smugglers and criminals trying to avoid British excise, pretending they had high ideals to get popular support.

You aren't free. America was just about the last country in the world to abolish slavery and right now has the largest population of incarcerated citizens of any country and also the highest per capita rate of incarceration in the world, and, apparently, it's citizens have to carry weapons to defend themselves from each other, your crime rate is so high.

What do you mean when you say free?

Consider what the opposite things to freedom are? Sometimes you can get a clear definition of things by what they aren't.

I am being quite serious here.

a reply to: chr0naut

guns. strip clubs. Mopar Cams, carls jr, what the hell more you want ya moron? I'll also add taco tuesday

a reply to: skybandit
He was the problem. He is the US Navy. Lol

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
a reply to: chr0naut

guns. strip clubs. Mopar Cams, carls jr, what the hell more you want ya moron? I'll also add taco tuesday

Ah, the high moral ground, eh?



And those things don't exist everywhere else?

LOL.

a reply to: Lumenari

He sent this letter after his chain of command did nothing. There's no evidence yet that he's the one that leaked it though.

That's the thing about the leadership. They can say whatever they want, and there's no way to disprove it. The captain of any Navy ship doesn't step on a landmine like this for no reason.

a reply to: skybandit

This man is a hero for speaking out.

But he broke rank's and went over his superior's heads instead of dealing with this through the normal chain of command.

He sacrificed his navy career and probably knew what he was doing but did so because of his loyalty to his men and woman serving under him whom he felt a duty of care towards and regarded that duty to his crew as being more important than his own career, this is the kind of captain who would have been the last off the ship had it been sinking, a good captain in other word's.

I think given the complexity of the issue you can also definitely feel very much that it was wrong on a moral and ethical stand point, however given his going outside of the chain of command in his letter you can also see that there was cause, maybe not something we can enjoy but given his role and the importance of that chain of command.

Perhaps an ideal candidate for political office in the future and it is a waste of expertise, training and skill to remove this man from his post for speaking out what was probably on the mind's of many other captain's in that naval force.

But also a difficult point, a captain is meant to follow orders and is a key component in a military hierarchy so to go outside of that chain of command will always have repercussion's.

I wish him well, a man whom valued the life of his crew and took a decision he likely knew would cost him his post, his sailors and indeed many other's in the US navy owe him a debt and he will be a hero to many of them because he is, on a daily basis these are the kind of people called on to lay down there life in time's of conflict for there nation, was this captain acting any less heroically than that or was he acting correctly you judge it.

He was not only looking out for the many YOUNG service people under his command but also for there family's and there community's, he was in affect protecting his nation not only his ship.

So you can see him as wrong or you can see him as a hero willing to lay his career on the line just as he may have been called to in time's of conflict to lay his very life down had it been necessary.

My opinion - probably a good man and a far better man than the one whom removed him from his post.