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Reasons I do not think it is natural for humans to eat
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As the title suggests, it is my "opinion" that it is not natural for humans, that have evolved past animals (arts, religions, spiritualism, etc.),
to obtain their sustenance in phisical form. I say "opinion" because I happen to be a practising breatharian.
1. A decaying digestive system from teeth to appendix
a. Teeth - Humans lose most of their teeth with age. This is true of people of any background, regardless of diet. Ever seen a picture of an old man from a primitive tribe, with nearly all or all of their teeth missing? (No, not because of sugars.) What do you think dentures exist for? Have you ever seen a cow or a horse with missing teeth? A crocodile? What about sharks?
What about cavities that form in humans regardless of diet. So it's not sugars. People that live on low-sugar diets still have cavities. Cavities occur in just 1.38% of the permanent teeth of wild chimpanzees, researchers reported. And chimpanzees eat a lot of fruit full of sugars. According to the National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research, 92% of American adults aged 20-64 have had a cavity. Tell me what's natural about that.
What is natural about the need to brush? No animal brushes their teeth. And what is it with fluoride in water and toothpastes? Why would humans need that when animals are fine without it? Most of you claim humans to be omnivore, meaning we eat a wider variety of foods containing a wider variety of minerals than, say, cows, or lions. They don't need fluoride or toothpaste - why would we?
What is natural about dentures, or the need for drilling, filling, and root canal treatment? Horses and all other animals seem to be just fine without these.
Please endulge me and explain what purpose wisdom teeth serve. They usually don't come out until we are in our 30s and 40s. Just because we have certain organs does not mean they are used or needed.
b. Stomach - The human stomach is the weakest I have ever seem- clearly hardly fit for the job. Why is it that animals have no problem digesting raw meat, or drinking muddy water from rivers, but we get sick as soon as we do what's "natural"? Try drinking water from a pond or a lake. Your dog can do it without getting sick. Why can't you?
c. The end bit - The appendix is a clear example of a decaying digestive system. Totally useless, mine was removed when I was a child. It serves no purpose What about human feces of all sorts of consistency? And the accompanying conditions ranging from constipation to diarrhea. Any animal produces feces of the same consistency - you can 100% predict what it will look like when it emerges from a cow, as opposed to a sheep or rabbit. Does diarrhea feel natural to you? It's the body's way of telling you that the food you crammed into your body is f*cked up.
Also, the human aversion to the by-products of digestion is an obvious sign that we all consider the matter unnatural in our own subconscious mind. No animal has a natural reaction that would be similar to a human when they come into contact with feces. In fact, your dog will happily go into a full-body roll into the first cow dung it finds. Humans, on the other hand, have made the whole subject into a big taboo, and will hide in shame when they're doing their "business" in the toilet, behind closed doors. Same goes for passing gas. Think about it. Your dog knows when it's done something wrong, like when you come home to find it has torn apart a feather pillow, it will display its shame. But it will never feel ashamed about defecating or farting. Only humans hide it. Why? Because it feels unnatural for us. We're not animals, we have evolved past all that. On every level - mental, spiritual, AND PHYSICAL.
d. Miscellaneous - What is natural about reflux, heartburn and indigestion? Doesn't it sound like your stomach wants that cr@p out? Isn't the message clear? What about irritable bowel syndrome? Or the numerous food allergies sweeping the human population all over the planet? What about diabetes? Do these seem natural to you? Please tell me how obesity is natural. Have you ever seen an obese chimpanzee?
As you probably have guessed, all these organs are simply vestigial organs, the remnants from our previous evolutionary stages that we no longer need, like the previously-mentioned appendix and wisdom teeth, but also lots of other thing like body hair, male nipples, tail bones (all similar in principle to the wings of flightless birds). As long as they're being used by the majority of the species they remain functional. (Using the teeth and tongue for speech is a distinct evolutionary advantage.) Even after their use has been abandoned by all members of the species it takes a long period of non-use (usually hundreds of thousands or even millions of years) by a species for an organ to become dysfunctional and atrophied and even more to disappear altogether.
2. The vitamin conspiracy - Before the "discovery" of vitamins humans were just fine without them. Even today, many vegans today live on a handful (sometimes just one or two) of foods that do not contain ALL the vitamins (or minerals for that matter). Yet they do not suffer ill effects. Some of them don't even bother with soy or other source of protein to "replace" meat. They live without proteins. Or did you think that the Inuit and Eskimos have been living over the Arctic Circle for thousand of years eating carrots and oranges? I watched a documentary on Inuit lifestyle and they admit openly: (paraphrasing) they don't bother with fruits and vegetables, they have no need for them. Don't be mislead by wikipedia. No, most Eskimo families do NOT hunt for beluga whales, many don't even bother with fish as they are small and take long to catch. Most only eat seal as that feeds the family for a long time (read: fills their stomach). There is virtually no vitamin in seal meat. Same goes for all people living in the tundra, in Siberia etc. I maintain that either all that "science" is myth and conspiracy, or the human body is natively able to synthesise what it needs. Yes, we do need certain vitamins, most notably vitamin C, however these can be obtained in alternative ways.
3. Those deceptive hunger pangs - Anyone who has done a dry fast for at least 2-3 days knows that it's not the body that will make you want to eat. The hunger pangs will come and go the first day, from the second day onwards you NO LONGER FEEL HUNGER (wonder why), however your MIND will be thinking about food non-stop unless you find an effective way to distract your attention. Simply put, eating is an addiction of the mind. You eat when you're bored, you eat as a force of habit, you eat to socialise. Not because you need it or it's natural. Or because you're hungry.
1. A decaying digestive system from teeth to appendix
a. Teeth - Humans lose most of their teeth with age. This is true of people of any background, regardless of diet. Ever seen a picture of an old man from a primitive tribe, with nearly all or all of their teeth missing? (No, not because of sugars.) What do you think dentures exist for? Have you ever seen a cow or a horse with missing teeth? A crocodile? What about sharks?
What about cavities that form in humans regardless of diet. So it's not sugars. People that live on low-sugar diets still have cavities. Cavities occur in just 1.38% of the permanent teeth of wild chimpanzees, researchers reported. And chimpanzees eat a lot of fruit full of sugars. According to the National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research, 92% of American adults aged 20-64 have had a cavity. Tell me what's natural about that.
What is natural about the need to brush? No animal brushes their teeth. And what is it with fluoride in water and toothpastes? Why would humans need that when animals are fine without it? Most of you claim humans to be omnivore, meaning we eat a wider variety of foods containing a wider variety of minerals than, say, cows, or lions. They don't need fluoride or toothpaste - why would we?
What is natural about dentures, or the need for drilling, filling, and root canal treatment? Horses and all other animals seem to be just fine without these.
Please endulge me and explain what purpose wisdom teeth serve. They usually don't come out until we are in our 30s and 40s. Just because we have certain organs does not mean they are used or needed.
b. Stomach - The human stomach is the weakest I have ever seem- clearly hardly fit for the job. Why is it that animals have no problem digesting raw meat, or drinking muddy water from rivers, but we get sick as soon as we do what's "natural"? Try drinking water from a pond or a lake. Your dog can do it without getting sick. Why can't you?
c. The end bit - The appendix is a clear example of a decaying digestive system. Totally useless, mine was removed when I was a child. It serves no purpose What about human feces of all sorts of consistency? And the accompanying conditions ranging from constipation to diarrhea. Any animal produces feces of the same consistency - you can 100% predict what it will look like when it emerges from a cow, as opposed to a sheep or rabbit. Does diarrhea feel natural to you? It's the body's way of telling you that the food you crammed into your body is f*cked up.
Also, the human aversion to the by-products of digestion is an obvious sign that we all consider the matter unnatural in our own subconscious mind. No animal has a natural reaction that would be similar to a human when they come into contact with feces. In fact, your dog will happily go into a full-body roll into the first cow dung it finds. Humans, on the other hand, have made the whole subject into a big taboo, and will hide in shame when they're doing their "business" in the toilet, behind closed doors. Same goes for passing gas. Think about it. Your dog knows when it's done something wrong, like when you come home to find it has torn apart a feather pillow, it will display its shame. But it will never feel ashamed about defecating or farting. Only humans hide it. Why? Because it feels unnatural for us. We're not animals, we have evolved past all that. On every level - mental, spiritual, AND PHYSICAL.
d. Miscellaneous - What is natural about reflux, heartburn and indigestion? Doesn't it sound like your stomach wants that cr@p out? Isn't the message clear? What about irritable bowel syndrome? Or the numerous food allergies sweeping the human population all over the planet? What about diabetes? Do these seem natural to you? Please tell me how obesity is natural. Have you ever seen an obese chimpanzee?
As you probably have guessed, all these organs are simply vestigial organs, the remnants from our previous evolutionary stages that we no longer need, like the previously-mentioned appendix and wisdom teeth, but also lots of other thing like body hair, male nipples, tail bones (all similar in principle to the wings of flightless birds). As long as they're being used by the majority of the species they remain functional. (Using the teeth and tongue for speech is a distinct evolutionary advantage.) Even after their use has been abandoned by all members of the species it takes a long period of non-use (usually hundreds of thousands or even millions of years) by a species for an organ to become dysfunctional and atrophied and even more to disappear altogether.
2. The vitamin conspiracy - Before the "discovery" of vitamins humans were just fine without them. Even today, many vegans today live on a handful (sometimes just one or two) of foods that do not contain ALL the vitamins (or minerals for that matter). Yet they do not suffer ill effects. Some of them don't even bother with soy or other source of protein to "replace" meat. They live without proteins. Or did you think that the Inuit and Eskimos have been living over the Arctic Circle for thousand of years eating carrots and oranges? I watched a documentary on Inuit lifestyle and they admit openly: (paraphrasing) they don't bother with fruits and vegetables, they have no need for them. Don't be mislead by wikipedia. No, most Eskimo families do NOT hunt for beluga whales, many don't even bother with fish as they are small and take long to catch. Most only eat seal as that feeds the family for a long time (read: fills their stomach). There is virtually no vitamin in seal meat. Same goes for all people living in the tundra, in Siberia etc. I maintain that either all that "science" is myth and conspiracy, or the human body is natively able to synthesise what it needs. Yes, we do need certain vitamins, most notably vitamin C, however these can be obtained in alternative ways.
3. Those deceptive hunger pangs - Anyone who has done a dry fast for at least 2-3 days knows that it's not the body that will make you want to eat. The hunger pangs will come and go the first day, from the second day onwards you NO LONGER FEEL HUNGER (wonder why), however your MIND will be thinking about food non-stop unless you find an effective way to distract your attention. Simply put, eating is an addiction of the mind. You eat when you're bored, you eat as a force of habit, you eat to socialise. Not because you need it or it's natural. Or because you're hungry.
And now to answer your questions that I have found in other parts of this forum, in the topics about breatharianism:
1. How can you survive without an energy source?
A: We don't. Humans consume food for heat production, metabolism and to move about, all possible from the ENERGY stored in food. Prana is universal energy similar to (or perhaps the same as) vacuum energy / zero point energy. Energy is energy, whatever the source.
2. What prana? There is no such thing.
A: This prana:
scialert.net...
a.k.a. chi (Qi) in China:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
healingtaousa.com...
The same prana that you can infuse water with as seen in Dr. Emoto's studies:
www.researchgate.net...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
3. But how can prana replace food?
A: food consumption is simply a stepped-down form of consuming universal energy passed down, in our case, from the Sun. Plants absorb light and transform and store it in various forms, which plant-eaters consume, which then gets passed on to meat-eaters. If you take the train of thought back to the origins of life when there were the first living plant cells on Earth and move on from there you will see that the total biomass of the planet is Earth-stuff (star dust) brought to life by solar energy.
We are all essentially condensed sunlight, taking downgraded sunlight for energy. From that understanding it is not a great quantum leap to come to accept that we can take that same universal energy in its pure form. For where did all these suns come from? From the energy soup of the universe after the Big Bang. All matter in the Universe was once energy. We are energy. e=mc2, right?
So you see, breatharianism is simply cells (the cells of our bodies, muscle cells and all) re-acquiring the ability to take that same old universal energy in its pure form. Nothing magical about it. "Food" only seems natural while you think inside that box. But even in that box, we already use sunlight for warmth. Imagine how hard all this understanding would be if we all lived underground unaware of the existence of the sun, relying exclusively on food for both heat and movement. Luckily we know better. We are aware of the Sun being the source of it all.
4. If it is possible to live without food then why do people in Africa starve?
A: Access to prana is strictly a faculty of consciousness, more precisely that of a certain level of development, which is why animals have no access to it in spite of being more in tune with nature than humans in general. All humans are capable of accessing prana the same as we are all able to access a state of spiritual enlightenment. We all have the potential, however that does not mean that all of us have the call or the will to access it. Regarding those that starve to death, there's a lot of difference between when you CHOOSE something and when it is FORCED upon you. Starving people are in a state of FEAR, they operate from their 3 lower chakras only, their upper chakras, most importantly their crown chakra, are all closed. From an energetic point of view that makes all the difference. It is not possible to access prana with those chakras closed and from a state of fear. It's like not being able to breathe even though there is air all around you, like when you experience intense fear and you have shortness of breath or tightness in your throat. The air is there all around you. FEAR causes blockage and constriction.
5. Then why do babies die without food?
A: Unless the fetus begins its life cycle in a breatharian mother's body (as happened in the case of Camila Castello) it will get used to receiving food-based sustenance and will lose (or never develop in the first place) its ability to process pranic sustenance. From that point on it will "need" food the same as any animal until such time as it uses its consciousness (unique to humans) to gradually transition to pranic nourishment.
6. People lose weight simply by breathing out carbon dioxide, which has weight. How come breatharians do not constantly lose weight?
A: As explained above, breatharians gain sustenance in energy form. Energy has mass as expressed in the famous Einstein-formula E=mc2. This is why breatharians will show weight gain while meditating on a scale (as demonstrated at the 2018 Pranic World Festival). But you don't need breatharians for this, many people report weight gain on a simple 3-day dry fast and especially longer (say, a 30-day) water fasts. You don't need breatharians to prove that. But regardless of all that, starting from Santorio Sanctorius (who invented the “static weighing chair,” a device that allowed him to weigh himself before and after meals, sleep, toilet breaks, even sex) up to recent times countless studies have been done into researching this and they found that there is always much less weight loss (sometimes even weight gain, causing overall fluctuations in the measurements) in humans between meals than should occur due to normal metabolism, the energy needed to break down food, heat production, perspiration, etc., especially in studies measuring weight loss during exercise. But of course, no one talks about all that, because no one has done their research.
academic.oup.com...
I recommend people further educate themselves by watching some actual documentaries on the subject of replacing physical food with zero-point (pranic) energy. Here are just a few of the many documentaries on the subject:
No Way to Heaven (2008, Switzerland) - www.cultureunplugged.com...
In the Beginning There Was Light (2010, Austria) - Watch the newly-released US version for 6 bucks on the official website
Living Off Energy We Are Energy (2015, Czech Republic) - www.cultureunplugged.com...
The Light Generation (2018) - www.youtube.com...
1. How can you survive without an energy source?
A: We don't. Humans consume food for heat production, metabolism and to move about, all possible from the ENERGY stored in food. Prana is universal energy similar to (or perhaps the same as) vacuum energy / zero point energy. Energy is energy, whatever the source.
2. What prana? There is no such thing.
A: This prana:
scialert.net...
a.k.a. chi (Qi) in China:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
healingtaousa.com...
The same prana that you can infuse water with as seen in Dr. Emoto's studies:
www.researchgate.net...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
3. But how can prana replace food?
A: food consumption is simply a stepped-down form of consuming universal energy passed down, in our case, from the Sun. Plants absorb light and transform and store it in various forms, which plant-eaters consume, which then gets passed on to meat-eaters. If you take the train of thought back to the origins of life when there were the first living plant cells on Earth and move on from there you will see that the total biomass of the planet is Earth-stuff (star dust) brought to life by solar energy.
We are all essentially condensed sunlight, taking downgraded sunlight for energy. From that understanding it is not a great quantum leap to come to accept that we can take that same universal energy in its pure form. For where did all these suns come from? From the energy soup of the universe after the Big Bang. All matter in the Universe was once energy. We are energy. e=mc2, right?
So you see, breatharianism is simply cells (the cells of our bodies, muscle cells and all) re-acquiring the ability to take that same old universal energy in its pure form. Nothing magical about it. "Food" only seems natural while you think inside that box. But even in that box, we already use sunlight for warmth. Imagine how hard all this understanding would be if we all lived underground unaware of the existence of the sun, relying exclusively on food for both heat and movement. Luckily we know better. We are aware of the Sun being the source of it all.
4. If it is possible to live without food then why do people in Africa starve?
A: Access to prana is strictly a faculty of consciousness, more precisely that of a certain level of development, which is why animals have no access to it in spite of being more in tune with nature than humans in general. All humans are capable of accessing prana the same as we are all able to access a state of spiritual enlightenment. We all have the potential, however that does not mean that all of us have the call or the will to access it. Regarding those that starve to death, there's a lot of difference between when you CHOOSE something and when it is FORCED upon you. Starving people are in a state of FEAR, they operate from their 3 lower chakras only, their upper chakras, most importantly their crown chakra, are all closed. From an energetic point of view that makes all the difference. It is not possible to access prana with those chakras closed and from a state of fear. It's like not being able to breathe even though there is air all around you, like when you experience intense fear and you have shortness of breath or tightness in your throat. The air is there all around you. FEAR causes blockage and constriction.
5. Then why do babies die without food?
A: Unless the fetus begins its life cycle in a breatharian mother's body (as happened in the case of Camila Castello) it will get used to receiving food-based sustenance and will lose (or never develop in the first place) its ability to process pranic sustenance. From that point on it will "need" food the same as any animal until such time as it uses its consciousness (unique to humans) to gradually transition to pranic nourishment.
6. People lose weight simply by breathing out carbon dioxide, which has weight. How come breatharians do not constantly lose weight?
A: As explained above, breatharians gain sustenance in energy form. Energy has mass as expressed in the famous Einstein-formula E=mc2. This is why breatharians will show weight gain while meditating on a scale (as demonstrated at the 2018 Pranic World Festival). But you don't need breatharians for this, many people report weight gain on a simple 3-day dry fast and especially longer (say, a 30-day) water fasts. You don't need breatharians to prove that. But regardless of all that, starting from Santorio Sanctorius (who invented the “static weighing chair,” a device that allowed him to weigh himself before and after meals, sleep, toilet breaks, even sex) up to recent times countless studies have been done into researching this and they found that there is always much less weight loss (sometimes even weight gain, causing overall fluctuations in the measurements) in humans between meals than should occur due to normal metabolism, the energy needed to break down food, heat production, perspiration, etc., especially in studies measuring weight loss during exercise. But of course, no one talks about all that, because no one has done their research.
academic.oup.com...
I recommend people further educate themselves by watching some actual documentaries on the subject of replacing physical food with zero-point (pranic) energy. Here are just a few of the many documentaries on the subject:
No Way to Heaven (2008, Switzerland) - www.cultureunplugged.com...
In the Beginning There Was Light (2010, Austria) - Watch the newly-released US version for 6 bucks on the official website
Living Off Energy We Are Energy (2015, Czech Republic) - www.cultureunplugged.com...
The Light Generation (2018) - www.youtube.com...
Gaining weight by E=mc²?
That ... could take a while. Or some more Joules than you might expect. 90,000,000,000,000 Joules for a single gram of matter.
Which is about the same energy a larger coal power station (1GW) produces per day.
If you can channel that much Chi, Son Goku would like to have a word with you (before he got Supersajin status, of course)!
That ... could take a while. Or some more Joules than you might expect. 90,000,000,000,000 Joules for a single gram of matter.
Which is about the same energy a larger coal power station (1GW) produces per day.
If you can channel that much Chi, Son Goku would like to have a word with you (before he got Supersajin status, of course)!
This again ?
…..look ( sighs/shakes head) no...just No.
The ONLY way "breatharians" are going to convince anyone of this is to let yourself be locked in a room for 30 days with no food, no water......and no toilet. I mean, if you're not putting anything in, you don't get anything out, right ?
At the end of that time, you should have no weight loss or dehydration and just as healthy as when you went in.
There's your challenge. Put up or shut up.
…..look ( sighs/shakes head) no...just No.
The ONLY way "breatharians" are going to convince anyone of this is to let yourself be locked in a room for 30 days with no food, no water......and no toilet. I mean, if you're not putting anything in, you don't get anything out, right ?
At the end of that time, you should have no weight loss or dehydration and just as healthy as when you went in.
There's your challenge. Put up or shut up.
originally posted by: whiteblack
Aprils fool thread. Stopped read halfway first sentence.
Their thread/post history says otherwise.
a reply to: Rolci
Do you even know what is energy?
You just conveniently get rid of any opposition by pretending it's our fault if we die of starvation because we hadn't the sufficient will or consciousness to "absorb" your zero-point energy.
Let me guess, next you'll claim that you're not eating anymore since X timelenght?
Now, let's take a closer look at your failed comparison between your supposed chakra captors and the respiratory system. Let's begin with simple question : where are they? I mean, if we can absorb your zero-point energy, where are the captors? Which system in the body is designed to collect this energy? to transform/spread it?
After all, plants have photosynthesis cells in order to absorb sunlight energy, where's ours?
Do you even know what is energy?
You just conveniently get rid of any opposition by pretending it's our fault if we die of starvation because we hadn't the sufficient will or consciousness to "absorb" your zero-point energy.
Let me guess, next you'll claim that you're not eating anymore since X timelenght?
Now, let's take a closer look at your failed comparison between your supposed chakra captors and the respiratory system. Let's begin with simple question : where are they? I mean, if we can absorb your zero-point energy, where are the captors? Which system in the body is designed to collect this energy? to transform/spread it?
After all, plants have photosynthesis cells in order to absorb sunlight energy, where's ours?
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Rolci
I say "opinion" because I happen to be a practising breatharian.
If Scientologists are a 10 then Breatharians are a Spinal Tap 11 on the metaphysical woo scale.
Is that the one inch woo scale or the one foot woo scale?
Highly trained professional
Please don't try this at home...
Or , "here , hold mah beer"
"Hey y'all watch this..."
Please don't try this at home...
Or , "here , hold mah beer"
"Hey y'all watch this..."
a reply to: Rolci
I am in
Though I could pour scorn and deride nearly every single comment like sauce on a pie, bbq every point, and sautés assumption
Officially off food, anything that goes in my mouth from this day forth will be brewed
Maybe I will have some chips and pork rind, are meat pies ok?
Clever
I am in
Though I could pour scorn and deride nearly every single comment like sauce on a pie, bbq every point, and sautés assumption
Officially off food, anything that goes in my mouth from this day forth will be brewed
Maybe I will have some chips and pork rind, are meat pies ok?
Clever
edit on 1-4-2020 by Raggedyman because: (no reason given)
But, I LOVE food.
Steaks, and burgers, and pizza, chicken wings, french fries, and chocolate, cheese, and hot dogs..
Oof. I'm hungry.
Steaks, and burgers, and pizza, chicken wings, french fries, and chocolate, cheese, and hot dogs..
Oof. I'm hungry.
I personally find eating to be an annoyance.
It interferes with my days productivity, at work and at home.
But I do love a good salad.
A salad with dinner is a staple in this house,
It interferes with my days productivity, at work and at home.
But I do love a good salad.
A salad with dinner is a staple in this house,
originally posted by: Creep Thumper
Someone pass me the cheesy poofs.
How about some jalapeno kettle cooked potato chips. I still have a couple of them left. You don't want my lunch today, my kids made it for me.
Saltines with tuna fish and cream cheese.
I would eat it, but they made it last night before they went to bed and left it sitting on the counter overnight ( unrefrigerated! ) to surprise me this morning.
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