Anthony Fauci fine after H1N1. Why is it different now, when the threat is less?

I’ve been reading articles and watching interviews from 2009-10 compared to now; from Dr. Fauci and others but this man has gone from saying millions will die One side

Then he says the death rate is more likely less than 1%
This is where the math makes sense

Now he again is spreading doomporn saying 100+ thousand could die. Make up your mind

And here is video from aftermath of H1N1 and he commends what the administration did (which was next to nothing) Why is okay with it here?

Why does this site continue posts like this. This should go into the hoax bin. This ain’t the flu and people who keep posting this garbage aren’t qualified to even spout the information. These mathematicians are 10x worse than the Q dorks looking for significance in everything. It’s time we start managing disinformation.

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Italy had 178 deaths from H1N1. They are a bit over 10K with Covid-19. The threat is less you say. OK.

a reply to: mzinga

I’m asking why the numbers and predictions keep changing.... and I didn’t say a thing about this being the flu... how about one of you post a rebuttal that is factual and show me the “math” you are so much more qualified to use.

a reply to: mzinga

Everything I posted is actual testimony from Anthony Fauci constantly changing his story, and back tracking. Going from “this isn’t anything”. To “end of the world” type predictions..... so if you could stay on topic that would be wonderful.

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand
Seems to me he reassessed his position after more data was available.

The US had 3,433 confirmed deaths from H1N1. At this moment there are 2,329 due to Covid-19, and things are just getting started. Not sure why you say the threat is less.

a reply to: mzinga

Hoax Bin?

The OP is merely stating that Dr. Fauci has flipped flopped on the expected death rate. He states in The New England Journal of Medicine:

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

www.nejm.org...

So, explain to me how this is a "hoax?"

This statement came directly from the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who just today states:

Fauci also said the country could experience “between 100,000 and 200,000” deaths and “millions of cases” of coronavirus.

www.marketwatch.com... on-2020-03-29

But he added “I don’t want to be held to that” because the pandemic is “such a moving target.”

Then, why mention this at all? Why did he state in the past, that he thought that in a worst-case scenario, millions of people in the US could die from the coronavirus? His statements are part of the reason for all this panic and fear. Why doesn't he mention on MSM, that the "fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%?" Wouldn't that ease the panic level a bit?

a reply to: daskakik

So you did a google search and used the first visible number?? Talk about “disinformation”

But here CDC estimated that between about 7,070 and 13,930 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April and November 14, 2009. The mid-level in this range was about 9,820 2009 H1N1-related deaths.

Use actual sources

Edit:fixedlink

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Italy had 178 deaths from H1N1. They are a bit over 10K with Covid-19. The threat is less you say. OK.

I thought it was 244, but close enough.

Even the models which account for vast underreporting had all of Europe at 31,300 deaths after 12 months during the swine flu when the confirmed figure was just 4,879. i.imgur.com... Right now Europe has over 23,000 confirmed Covid-19 deaths; something like 13,000 in just the last week!

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: daskakik

So you did a google search and used the first visible number?? Talk about “disinformation”

But here CDC estimated that between about 7,070 and 13,930 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April and November 14, 2009. The mid-level in this range was about 9,820 2009 H1N1-related deaths.

Use sources next time

That number is an estimate. He was right the confirmed number was just 3,433 and that's from the 50 states plus all US territories.

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Apparently you watched Fauci's actual interviews. That's good. The media today is taking an interview he did on the Communist News Network this morning and parsing it into certain doom.

Post I made about this earlier today: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

100 k is still a tiny number compared with 75m worldwide @ 1% CFR

Dr fauci sounds a bit like a Muppet ? , maybe but mayb nnot

Also a swine flu vaccine is what finished that pandemic . As yet there's not a vaccine for the common cold which is also a coronavirus

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand
Your link doesn't work. So much for using sources.

Yeah, I used the number for confirmed deaths. Guessing how many there were is still just a guess.

a reply to: daskakik

Fixed link Still don’t see yours?

a reply to: carewemust

People would rather speculate or believe whatever the “headline” says as opposed to using factual data, comparisons, and critical thinking...

No wonder we rank so low in education.

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand
Still says CDC estimates.

Mine is wikipedia. They added the numbers of confirmed deaths from each state and territory. They cite their sources.

Still doesn't change the fact that there have been over 1K deaths in the US in the last 3 days because of Covid-19.

We can stop the back and forth and wait until the end of april and then one of us could accept they were wrong.

My point is Fauci as soon as he said this said .. ‘We are trying to hit a moving target.. all estimates are a guess.’

The naysayers continue to try to move the goalposts and try to downplay this, while not acknowledging the previous six goalposts they set were blown through.

Your ignorance drives people to make poor choices and borders on criminal negligence. Eventually we will hit one of your goalposts and you will claim you were right all along. This is the faux news model and just flat crazy.

I don’t believe I’m alone with my lack of patience Of this behavior.

For those interested here are the sources for the swine flu figures


USA 3,433 deaths: en.wikipedia.org...

WHO at least 18,449 deaths: www.who.int...

Lancet estimate of 284,400 deaths: www.thelancet.com...(12)70121-4/fulltext

CDC USA estimate 12,469 deaths (8,868-18,306): www.cdc.gov...

I’ll keep repeating this: WHO estimates that the period of treatment-seeking-symptoms to death is about 2-8 weeks. We’ve only started to see the surge in cases. So we’ll need to revisit the stats in about 6wks.

Go talk to a front-line healthcare professional (ER nurse or doctor) and see how they think this stacks-up to other ‘outbreaks’.

a reply to: daskakik

Covid- Related deaths..... the problem is people can be diagnosed after such things as ; car accidents, heart attacks, etc.... and even though cause of death isn’t Covod-19 they are still using it for the statistics.

There are some articles about it I’ll post when I find them

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Yeah sure. Move the goalpost a little more. If they are doing it for Covid then why wouldn't they have done it for H1N1 or regular flu?

If you are going to question the numbers then you have to do that across the board which would then make your arguments worthless.