DOJ Rules that Female Athletes Do Not Have To Compete Against Girls That Are Boys.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Mickey Mantle comes up late in the season against a minor league call up, what should he do? Strike out intentionally or try to get on base?

The Mick would have been (righteously) insulted, thrown a first class temper tantrum -- as only Mickey could do -- and stormed off the diamond!!!

What are you going on about?

Your "porn addiction" theories, and Blanchard and Freund pseudoscience have nothing to do with the topic at hand; "DOJ Rules that Female Athletes Do Not Have To Compete Against Girls That Are Boys.".

You've flown off on an odd tangent that has nothing to do with anything I've stated.

originally posted by: redmage
What are you going on about?

Big sigh...

You know perfectly well what I'm "going on" about. But obviously can't back up your big words, or you wouldn't be shutting down the conversation now with this crap:

Your "porn addiction" theories, and Blanchard and Freund pseudoscience have nothing to do with the topic at hand...

It has everything to do with how and why we got to this lawsuit.

a reply to: Boadicea

No, and you arguing that the "Trans Agenda" is merely driven by male misogyny is absurd.

Like I said, Blanchard and Freund's pseudoscience theory of "autogynephilia" completely ignores the existence of trans men.

The issue of "trans rights" are not just for trans women. Ignoring the existence of trans men in order to fly off on a porn addiction and misogyny tangent is just silly.

originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: Boadicea

No, and arguing that the "Trans Agenda" is merely driven by male misogyny is absurd.

I never argued that. In fact, I stated that not all trans are the same, so I stated exactly the opposite, acknowledging there are in fact and in deed other reasons. I simply included misogny as a significant part of it.

Like I said, Blanchard and Freund's pseudoscience theory of "autogynephilia" completely ignores the existence of trans men.

What a stupid thing to say. If someone is cut by a piece of glass, and I acknowledge that fact, it doesn't mean I am ignoring the fact that people can also be cut by a knife.

Likewise, if that cut is infected, and doctors conduct a clinical study comparing and contrasting the infections caused by knives -- which can include tetanus and hepititis, it does not ignore that glass can also inflict cuts which become infected. Two very different things.

The issue of "trans rights" are not just for trans women. Ignoring trans men in order to fly off on a porn addiction and misogyny tangent is just silly.

Except there are very different issues involved for trans "men," than for trans "women." So not ignoring them, they just aren't part of this equation. If someone has infected cut, is it "silly" to focus on their infected cut and not bring someone else's broken legs into it???

The OP isn't about boys suing to stop trans "men" from competing with them. How did you put it? Oh, yes! To paraphrase, trans "men" --

...have nothing to do with the topic at hand...

a reply to: Boadicea

originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: Boadicea

No, and arguing that the "Trans Agenda" is merely driven by male misogyny is absurd.

originally posted by: Boadicea
I never argued that. In fact, I stated that not all trans are the same, so I stated exactly the opposite, acknowledging there are in fact and in deed other reasons. I simply included misogny as a significant part of it.

Read your post again...

originally posted by: Boadicea
I might agree if it weren't for all the men encouraging and promoting the Trans Agenda, goading their fellow men into violating women's rights and spaces. There is a very definite misogyny behind the Trans Agenda, which is why it's so common for incels to suddenly decide they are "really " women and they can do woman "right."

From beginning to end, this is a male problem, created and perpetuated and escalated by men, against women and girls.

Sounds like arguing that the "Trans Agenda" is merely driven by men and misogyny is exactly what you were doing "from beginning to end".

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: carewemust

Can they also refuse to compete against female athletes with naturally high testosterone levels?

Are they biologically female?

What sort of inane question is that, anyway.

a reply to: redmage

Nope. You are continuing to conflate issues, and ignore the distinctions. I have not addressed trans "men" except to the limited extent necessary to respond to you bringing trans "men" into the issue. And there is a very big difference to be made between how someone personally "identifies," to that "identity" being legislated and codified in the law in ways that affect everyone. And to that extent, many women -- many different groups of women -- are doing exactly that.

If you were to have asked me to elaborate upon trans "men," then yes, I would say that women need to step up and speak out for the girls and young women who are having trouble accepting their sex. (And, of course, many women are) Especially regarding the astronomical number of girls suddenly identifying as "trans" -- which many are trying to study, only to be bullied, harassed, and de-platformed/de-funded by Trans Activists, who are not only predominantly male, but overwhelmingly autogynephiles. Nevertheless, only another woman can speak from experience about all of the female issues that girls and young women are struggling with. Only another woman can speak from experience about both the pitfalls and joys and in-betweens of having a female body. And only another women can speak from experience about how to deal with it all.

And for the same reasons, men need to step up and help boys and young men navigate the pitfalls and joys of manhood.

Women are not responsible for what men do, no matter how much some men want to blame women for everything that goes wrong in their lives... If men decide they want to "be" women (as if that's even possible), it's a man's problem -- it originates with men, it grows with men, and it can only end with men. When their LARP is created, perpetuated and escalated by men's misogyny and autogynephilia (i.e., sexual fantasies, often fueled and magnified by male porn, leading to porn addictions), then it's men creating, perpetuating and escalating the problem start to finish.

Likewise, it is a male problem start to finish for non-autogynephilic homosexual men who have been abused, harassed and bullied by other men for not doing "man" right.

To take this a step further, although very often girls reject their female body in reaction to how men treat them -- including brutal and violent sexual abuse -- those men are not responsible for anyone else's reaction. Yes, men are responsible for their actions, but everyone is responsible for their own re-action. So the same applies: For trans "men," this is a female problem, that requires a female response. Start to finish. The absolute best we can do is point out the bad behavior of men. But they won't solve the problem of how we react to their misogyny and abuse.

And when it's mostly autogynephilic men pushing the Trans Agenda that tramples the rights and safety of women and girls, demanding special privileges be legislated and codified for them, it's ridiculous to say that only women need to push back. If the rights and safety of one group can be trampled, violated and appropriated by another, then the rights and safety of any group can be trampled, violated and appropriated by another.

if he were competing against women or Little league baseball players then I would expect him to do something like tie one hand behind his back or something...a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

None of this will matter.

The American form of Western Civilization ended in a wave of "Lock-down" and "Shelter in place" earlier this week.

Hospitals being told by the governors office to plan on working employees in the midst of lockdowns... "Into September"

I think sports where they pit human against humans in the same time/space nexus are done.


Already fading into history, "The last days. of the Republic" and all that.

a reply to: Graysen

I think sports where they pit human against humans in the same time/space nexus are done.

Already fading into history, "The last days. of the Republic" and all that.

the republic might be, but so long as there is a buck/profit to be made on pitting human against humans in the same time/space nexus. it will never end

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: carewemust

Can they also refuse to compete against female athletes with naturally high testosterone levels?

Ya, there is more to it than Testosterone..I'm all for freedom and live, let live ..competitive sports is where I draw a line.

Good ruling!!!!

originally posted by: HarryJoy
if he were competing against women or Little league baseball players then I would expect him to do something like tie one hand behind his back or something...

He shouldn't be competing against them at all, however you didn't qualify your comment.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: redmage

Nope. You are continuing to conflate issues...

No, it's you that's conflating issues.

First by conflating my comments regarding 3rd wave feminism to your tangential concerns on the "trans agenda", and second by simplifying the overall "trans agenda" to only including trans women.

Again, men can't, nor would they be allowed to, change the priorities of 3rd wave feminists. Furthermore, the "trans agenda" goes well beyond just issues concerning trans women.

We get it. You want to blame men, porn, and misogyny for trans women. If you want to start a thread about men, misogyny, and porn based on Blanchard and Freund pseudoscience from your Gender Studies 101 textbook, then by all means go ahead and do it, but your tangent has gone off the rails in regards to this thread and my post that you responded to.

okay but isn't that the point of this whole thread that these guys that look like women should not be competing against women that were born women
? considering the fact that anyone participating in sports has to realize that there are rules governing the event to ensure fair play and sportsmanship. a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

a reply to: HarryJoy

Your comment was ANY athlete who had an advantage over another athlete, you didn't mention gender, only skill.

to be exact I said an inherent advantage in other words if I weigh 250 pounds I shouldn't be boxing somebody that weighs 150 lb that's what I consider an inherent advantage. a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

a reply to: redmage

No, it's you that's conflating issues.

Do you even know what "conflating" means? Because making distinctions is exactly the opposite.

First by conflating my comments regarding 3rd wave feminism to your tangential concerns on the "trans agenda" and second by simplifying the overall "trans agenda" to only including trans women. Again, men can't, nor will they be allowed to, change the priorities of 3rd wave feminists.

And I never said they could or should. And you know it.

We get it.

"We"? Got a mouse in your pocket???

You want to blame men, porn, and misogyny for trans women.

Nope. I want men to take responsibility for their own actions and inactions. Women don't make men do a damn thing.

If you don't want to take any responsibility for the very serious problems young men and boys are having today, okay. Turn a blind eye. Walk in the other direction. Put your fingers in your ears and singsong "la la la la la."

But I'm sure as hell not going to blame women for what men are doing. which is of course in and of itself MISOGYNISTIC! (Not to mention quite cowardly)

If you want to start a thread about men, misogyny, and porn then by all means go ahead and do it, but your tangent has gone off the rails in regards to this thread.

LOL! How something of you to give me permission.

The truth is though that I can only speak to it from a women's perspective, particularly how a woman is harmed or otherwise victimized by it. Such as the trampling of our rights and safety. In other words, from the outside looking in. I can't address it as it needs to be addressed, which is by men with the experience and wisdom of men regarding the state of being a man. I can point out how it becomes a problem for me and other women and girls. I cannot tell men how to "man" properly.

It's a man's problem. Men need to deal with it.

a reply to: HarryJoy

The my analogy still stands, Mickey Mantle had a huge 'inherent' advantage over nearly every pitcher he faced. Some times sports aren't fair and sometimes even when you're supposed to lose you win, that's why people play.

originally posted by: Boadicea
If you don't want to take any responsibility for the very serious problems young men and boys are having today, okay. Turn a blind eye. Walk in the other direction. Put your fingers in your ears and singsong "la la la la la."

I take responsibility for my kids, not someone elses.

You keep saying that young men and boys are "men's responsibility", yet we have almost an entire young generation that has been raised strictly by women because they "don't need a man".

Sure, there are "deadbeat dads" out there, but there's also no shortage of women who got themselves a sperm donor so they could go-it-alone ("don't need a man"), and even more who simply use their children to hold over the fathers' heads as some sort of twisted leverage while allowing fathers little-to-no access to their own kids. Men cannot solve what they have no access to.

The problems are far more complex than your oversimplified Gender Studies 101 views.