For all the naysayers and nothingburgers

a reply to: Tim2win

I am getting very sad too.
And all sorts of emotions.

a reply to: Sillyolme

As far as I know it hasn't taken off here yet, at least where I am.

Sydney no doubt will be the worst hit with all those sick passengers let off that princess liner last Thursday.

Were always a few weeks behind the rest of the world out here, however borders are closing, schools, pubs and clubs cl osed beaches closed and now we wait.

originally posted by: Tim2win


My heart is broken too.

Someone sent me this video and even though they asked for it to be shared, I'm reluctant to do so... except here.

I can't send this to my family even though I think I should so as to wise them up.

I'm beginning to think they should film the agony of the next under-60 person who gets it and dies/barely survives, and broadcast it far and wide so that people will wake up.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

You may be ahead of the curve then because you've seen what it did in Europe and Asia already and know the consequences of ignoring it or worse, saying it's a hoax.

a reply to: drussell41

This is from a few days ago

The information coming out of Spain and other similar countries exposes less about the disease and more about their system of governance and healthcare. And yet, everyone's response is to give the state more and more control over their healthcare, travel, work, etc. Interesting.

a reply to: Tim2win

I feel there is a lot of swinging because a lot of people while going to work everyday like to shout down to those of us that lost our jobs due to this virus and like to scold people for not self quarantining but then head to work to paint a car. At least that’s what I’m upset about. The governments have turned this virus into a pandemic themselves.

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

I think this is where we are getting lost.

For sure governments will screw us like they always do with over reach, while some want this virus eradicated and others refuse to give up an inch of liberty. I'm on both sides of the fence and the fence is chaffing.

To refuse to see the other side is nuts.

a reply to: oriondc

That is just not true. I implore you to have a look at the regions here in Spain and in Italy that have been the worst hit. It's pretty grim but it is what it is.

There is not a medical system on the planet capable of taking a blow lke this.

a reply to: continuousThunder

That's such a woke thing to say
GOLD STAR FOR YOU!

Did you read the article? SARS-COV-2 started in China and because of these infrastructure development deals between China and Italy or China and Iran, there was a heavy back and forth of labor and materials from China to the respective countries.

It is not racist to say that large numbers of people coming to and from a country that is a source of an infection are likely to bring that infection with them. Can you understand that statement? Does it makes sense for you when I remove trigger words like Chinese?!

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

You may be ahead of the curve then because you've seen what it did in Europe and Asia already and know the consequences of ignoring it or worse, saying it's a hoax.

Yes but despite all the 'advice' we've been given, numpties are still not listening, which is why Bondi beach was closed. People not observing social distance advice, not covering their face when they cough or sneeze, etc.

They think it's being over hyped, or that the best way to combat it is for everyone to get it... which would be nice if herd immunity worked for it, which first time around it won't.. and it's mutating, so likely won't next time either. Or this time for that matter in regards to any vaccine.

As we're still treading water with this, once we're submerged, I think a lot of people will be drowning. Globally.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Maybe, remains to be seen, theres a lot of people treating it as a joke.

a reply to: Sillyolme

I am getting very sad too.
And all sorts of emotions.

Likewise. I work on the front lines at an "essential" business. Pressure from family, coworkers, spouse.

Deciding as best I can what to do

You 100% sure it's the virus and not the country in question already falling far shorter than others in everyday medical operations ANYWAY?

The German and Dutch numbers are looking pretty damn good. Ask yourself, sitting in Espana, why that is. And then ask what Spain falls so short on by comparison (and by extension, Italy) There's degrees of competence, and incompetence, find them and you understand why Spain's doing so poorly compared to a neighbor 2 doors down.

Edit: I'm not saying with the last bit above that I Have the answers I'm suggesting one go find. I'm pointing out that in there's a significant difference between neighboring areas, and even the media has taken notice of this. I've neither the give a damn nor language skills to dig around for specifics between Spanish, Dutch and German sources, so have at it. My point was if your neighborhood in the city is a s#show, but the one a few blocks over is comparatively golden, then there's a problem somewhere and it's not that the others are magically doing better.

a reply to: Nyiah

Maybe it's about the difference in culture?
In countries like Italy and Spain, people are more 'close' to each other, and I mean physically close, and not just with their own family.
Countries like Belgium, Germany or the Scandinavia countries up North were cases are (still) fairly low and under control in comparison, people there are a lot more distant. It's like they've been 'social distancing' for a long time before the virus.
It's probably not the main reason but it could play a part.

originally posted by: 727Sky

From everything I have read about the "One Belt and one Road" project by China and how they are making nations indebted while using primarily a imported Chinese work force I do not doubt the email or I would not have posted it. Anyone else can make up their own mind.

All of this is right out of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" where a country like China goes into a poor nation and bribes officials to basically enslave the populations and take all the natural resources. The US was doing this back in the 50s with corporations, but even that was small compared to what China has been doing these last 20 years or so.

We will see now how these countries rated by WHO as having much better healthcare systems then the US fair in comparison when really put to the test. The problem is many folds in what WHO measures as important might not always be the most important parts. A big area not measured is the limited medical infrastructure in many of these countries as they just do not have the ability to increase support when the cases of the sick quickly overwhelm what they do have as they just have nowhere else to expand to.

originally posted by: VeeTNA
a reply to: Sillyolme

I am getting very sad too.
And all sorts of emotions.

Likewise. I work on the front lines at an "essential" business. Pressure from family, coworkers, spouse.

Deciding as best I can what to do

Good luck to you. This is all new territory isnt it?

a reply to: Sillyolme

Yes, very much

a reply to: Xtrozero

Kinda how it seems now