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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Some of our most brilliant have designed ventilators that costs about 300 bucks to make.
originally posted by: Bloodworth
I though we are taught not to rely on your government?
The Democrats will make you sick during budget time.
Ventilators will be call for , but they want money for LGBTQ.
Infrastructure will need improvements. but dems want money to go to BLM causes
Dems demand all this weird stuff or they walk away like babies.
Didint pelosi make sure some liberal arts institution was funded before releasing the Corona virus package?
They demand the weirdest things...
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The hospitals need to take responsibility as well, maybe more so than the government since they employ the at risk staff.
originally posted by: redmage
Actual production costs are often just a small part of the equation.
originally posted by: redmage
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
The hospitals need to take responsibility as well, maybe more so than the government since they employ the at risk staff.
So you think that private and/or public companies/corporations (hospitals) should be responsible for national emergency supplies and stockpiles?
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
No, I am saying the hospitals should be/need to be part of the process, communicating quarterly maybe, to validate that the stockpiles are adequate.
Q.How much does the federal government spend on health care?
A.The federal government spent nearly $1.1 trillion in fiscal year 2018. In addition, income tax expenditures for health care totaled $225 billion.
originally posted by: redmage
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
No, I am saying the hospitals should be/need to be part of the process, communicating quarterly maybe, to validate that the stockpiles are adequate.
These national strategic stockpiles are overseen by government health officials. Hospitals have no access to verify those numbers, or to double check the national strategic stockpile's inventory. That's part of the reason we have the Department of Health and Human Services, and the CDC.
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Then we should change that ASAP!
The hospitals need access then, that is my point.
The hospitals have as much at stake here as anyone, don't they?
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Instead of growing government with another watchdog agency just get the hospitals involved in the process, make them responsible for oversight of the stockpiles in conjunction with the government health officials who oversee the national strategic stockpiles currently.
I'm no fan of big government, but some things need to be handled independent of profit motives
Growing "another" watchdog agency is what you are suggesting by somehow trying to consolidate and mix in hundreds of individual hospitals into the process.
originally posted by: redmage
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Then we should change that ASAP!
The hospitals need access then, that is my point.
The hospitals have as much at stake here as anyone, don't they?
Maybe, but that seems like a logistical nightmare. Leaving oversight of the national emergency stockpile to hundreds of separate companies all motivated by profit, and many in direct competition with one another, seems dangerous. There's countless examples of corporations cutting corners, endangering public health, and even endangering the health of their own employees in pursuit of profits. I'm no fan of big government, but some things need to be handled independent of profit motives.
As I noted in the 1st post on this page, a corporation (Covidien, now Medtronic) played a large part in screwing up the national reserve stockpile of ventilators by backing out of an awarded government contract after purchasing Newport Medical Instruments to seemingly stifle the competition with their own existing ventilator production.
Personally, I think capitalism and profit motives have corrupted Pharmaceuticals, and endangered public health, more than any other industry. There's no shortage of medical researchers who've meet their deaths under mysterious circumstances, and there's no profit motive in developing cures. Drug dealers want their customers dependent and coming back, so the clear motive is in "treatments" not cures.
originally posted by: fringeofthefringe
Instead of growing government with another watchdog agency just get the hospitals involved in the process, make them responsible for oversight of the stockpiles in conjunction with the government health officials who oversee the national strategic stockpiles currently.
As you note, government health officials already oversee the national strategic stockpiles. Growing "another" watchdog agency is what you are suggesting by somehow trying to consolidate and mix in hundreds of individual hospitals into the process. Furthermore, I don't think hospitals in Kansas want hospitals in NY or Cali deciding what reserved stockpiles Kansas might need in reserve, or what percentage of the national stockpile Kansas hospitals may be allowed to dip into.