Was this the plan all along??

(reporting from Europe, Spain)

Little by little they have been taking away our freedom.
Little by little they have been putting fear into our minds, gaining more and more control over every action, every decision we make.
From TV, propaganda, education to 9/11, global warming, terrorism, disease,...
Was this the plan all along?? Are we in the final steps?? It certainly isn't the beginning.

Started from yesterday, all Spanish citizens are confined to their homes. Only with justification of need you can walk the streets, for medical reason or labor.
You will be fined otherwise (500-2000€), will be detained and go to jail. Army and police are on the streets.
All stores are closed except for the supermarkets and pharmacies (specific hours).
I'm predicting by the end of next week whole Europe will follow and not soon after the rest of the world.
If I'm right this is sounding a lot like martial law??

From that moment on tptb will make you believe and do whatever they want. Those who wont follow in line will be physically forced to, will be jailed or put into camps.
From the beginning on I was very sceptic and suspicious about all this corona hysteria.
The more this plays out the more I believe this hasn't got much to do with "controlling and containing the virus" it's more about controlling the population.
I hope I'm wrong but this doesn't look good.

As for myself, I'm not panicking or fearing this virus much. The aftermath and to what this will lead to scares me more. Still...

I'm on a fairly large plot of land with a garden providing food year round so water and food aren't an issue.
Protection might be a problem if all this gets out of hand as we aren't allowed to have any guns, weapons in the house.

How are you doing in your area? How are people reacting? What are your preparations?

Tell me I'm wrong and I just took a bad shower.

Be safe friends.

a reply to: intergalactic fire

The true test will be how much freedom will they return once all this is over.

a reply to: intergalactic fire

Given the state of the "free world" at the moment , surveillance , data retention and laws to criminalise the otherwise law abiding , I wouldn't rule anything out in terms of them using situations to their advantage.

For years we have warned and been warned of possible depopulation plans , war was always the favourite proposed method but viral pandemic is a cleaner safer method , if you can tie population control in with that then all the better in the eyes of the controllers I guess.

a reply to: intergalactic fire

I see your point.

It could also be an experiment on how people will react on taking away all of our freedom (including freedom to move and have social contacts). Or it is not an experiment at all, but for real, as you're saying.

Another option is that the virus could become more dangerous in time because of mutations, and exactly this is something that is known behind the scenes, but the info is not shared with us. This could explain why extreme measures are taken by Governments at this stage.

There is for me no logical explanation at this time why governments are taking extreme measures while the virus is not extremely dangerous. I can't get my mind around this.

- Why, at this moment, is it wanted that people lose their freedom? In other words: who would benefit from this? Yeah, I read the stories about 'total control' of people and those kinds of theories, however, if 'total control' would be a fact, what is the benefit of that to the 'world powers behind the scenes'?

- If the virus is more dangerous than we are led to believe, why not share the info at this moment? It would certainly raise more panic. However, the panic is already high, and people completely accept the restrictions put on them, so there certainly is no need to share real information. On the other hand, if this theory is correct, then this would mean that Governments (or the people behind the scenes) would want to actually save lives, which is not a very promising thought if you take a look at recent history.

I keep wondering ....

a reply to: intergalactic fire

The more this plays out the more I believe this hasn't got much to do with "controlling and containing the virus" it's more about controlling the population. I hope I'm wrong but this doesn't look good.

I read a story the other day, concerning this type of an issue, that is playing out in Champaign, Illinois. The mayor implemented an emergency executive order, then later had to issue a "clarifying" statement, once the details of her executive order was made public.

The mayor of Champaign, Illinois has declared a town emergency over the Wuhan coronavirus that includes a potential ban on the sale of firearms and ammunition. According to a local report from WAND 17, Champaign Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has issued an executive order that would give her office "extraordinary powers." She has issued the order despite the town and surrounding area not having a single case of the disease.

Here is the list of other items from the declaration/executive order, which also includes the ability to ban the sale of "food, water, fuel, clothing, and/or other commodities, materials, goods, services and resources," in addition to alcohol and gasoline. Additionally, government agents or officials have the ability to seize private property and to cut off the city water supply. The mayor justifies everything "in the interest of public safety and wolf.

townhall.com...

Here's a LINK to the Declaration Of Emergency by the city of Champaign.

After this information leaked out, the city attempted some damage control, by issuing a "special statement" clarifying the meaning of the executive order that the mayor of Champaign, Illinois signed.



I think former US Army Lieutenant Colonel Allen West sums it up perfectly concerning this issue:

Here is my issue: when we are driven into a sense of panic, paranoia, hysteria, and abject fear, it is, and always has been, an opportunity for the government to exploit individual rights, freedoms, and liberties. As a matter of fact, it was the very astute Benjamin Franklin who asserted, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

No one wants to succumb to these crises, whether natural disasters or viruses. But, the last thing we need is for the government to see these incidents as a vehicle of exploitation to limit our individual liberties, freedoms, and rights. As well, what is even worse is when we become so fearful that we will voluntarily become “sheeple” believing that it is in our “best interest.”

Is this an attempt to gain more trust in the government?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: intergalactic fire

The true test will be how much freedom will they return once all this is over.

The virus will be gone and they'll say: Do you understand now, by doing as we say everything will be fine.
By then all is lost.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: intergalactic fire

Given the state of the "free world" at the moment , surveillance , data retention and laws to criminalise the otherwise law abiding , I wouldn't rule anything out in terms of them using situations to their advantage.

For years we have warned and been warned of possible depopulation plans , war was always the favourite proposed method but viral pandemic is a cleaner safer method , if you can tie population control in with that then all the better in the eyes of the controllers I guess.

However, this virus is not very dangerous to a high percentage of people as far as the eventual depopulation plans are concerned...Or will it mutate and actually kill a lot of people? However, why are those restrictions put in place then, because in this case one would want to depopulate maximally ...

No truer words have been said on this subject. What is our way out of this mess?

a reply to: gortex

originally posted by: intergalactic fire
Little by little they have been taking away our freedom.

Who is "they" and what freedoms have you lost?

As for myself, I'm not panicking or fearing this virus much. The aftermath and to what this will lead to scares me more. Still...

Oh, I see. It's all about you. I have real concerns for my frail 84 year-old mother and a member of staff who has cancer, so has an immune system which is shot. Whatever that can be done to protect the vulnerable must be done, even if that means a temporary inconvenience to some people.

BTW I work in healthcare. I don't see panic. I see anxiety and concern.

Add in the news that 3 days ago a so called illegal gun owner in Potomac Maryland was allegedly shot in his sleep on a bogus warrant claim of danger.

I started a thread on it

here is one of the references I used

www.activistpost.com...

In the process, according to Rene Sandler, an attorney for the family, police opened fire through an outside window and murdered Lemp and shot his girlfriend as they slept.

According to ABC, Sandler said the family believes police fired gunshots, not a flashbang or other projectile, from outside the home, including through Lemp’s bedroom window, while he and his girlfriend were sleeping. Nobody in the home heard any warnings or commands before police opened fire, she said.

“There is no warrant or other justification that would ever allow for that unless there is an imminent threat, which there was not,” Sandler said.

“The facts as I understand them from eyewitnesses are incredibly concerning,” she told The Associated Press.

a reply to: Venus33

I'm not saying that is the plan but if it were I think the best plan to depopulate would be to remove those who are no longer productive first , those who use services that cost the state money the already sick and the elderly , those who generate income and new worker drones for the state are an asset so should be kept.

I find it interesting that these lock downs only cover movement of people , they do not include paying people not to risk going to work for two weeks , the workplace for many likely carries more risk for people as just one carrier could infect most of the workforce in an enclosed space with those infected workers risking passing it on to their families.

a reply to: Venus33

I don't believe depopulation is just the reason for tptb. The more souls you control, the more powerful you feel and the easier others will follow.
They have done enough "experiments" on us to see how we react.
Once you put a small amount of the population into a high state of fear you control them.
These groups will automatically take down most of the others with them, just like sheep, they will follow each other. Just look at the Tp hysteria.
This is definitely something real which is unfolding before our eyes. If you don't see that you better wake up.
Is it just about gaining control or do they have more plans?

Just to be sure, I'm not commenting against you but besides you.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: intergalactic fire

Given the state of the "free world" at the moment , surveillance , data retention and laws to criminalise the otherwise law abiding , I wouldn't rule anything out in terms of them using situations to their advantage.

For years we have warned and been warned of possible depopulation plans , war was always the favourite proposed method but viral pandemic is a cleaner safer method , if you can tie population control in with that then all the better in the eyes of the controllers I guess.

Quoting just to repeat this so people read this at least twice. Thank you!

a reply to: intergalactic fire

The more this plays out the more I believe this hasn't got much to do with "controlling and containing the virus" it's more about controlling the population.

I don't believe the Coronapocalypse is a planned event. But I have no doubt those so inclined (the usual suspects) aren't letting the crisis go to waste.

I also expect that these same folks are watching closely to see if the people come together in this time of crisis, cooperating and working with each other and taking care of each other... or if we will turn on each other, dog eat dog, and further divide ourselves.

The former is a position of strength that will make them think again. The latter is a position of weakness that will make us all ripe for the killing.

Each and every one of has needs to decide on which side we will stand. Will we stand on our feet? Or grovel on our knees?

a reply to: Venus33

I am going to speak out of turn, out of what I should not say.

Has anyone on ATS said what the other half of the CV is made of? It is public that the virus "mutated" from SARS and "another more serious virus".

I happen to know what the more serious virus is that you NEVER hear in the news because of the abject panic it will cause in the world. I figured it out based on an obscure science paper written in Spain about a case that was cured due to using drugs that target this "more serious virus" specifically. I then realized my friend who is on the task force for CV at our state level is an expert in this "more serious virus". The "more serious virus" is so serious that my friend was for many years the only MD for county's around who would treat people with this virus. When I asked him about it, he said, yes "everyone" was aware of this Spanish paper and case.

Many are saying this isn't any worse than Chicken Pox and I was even yelled at by a woman waiting for PT last week for apologizing to those around me when I sneezed and said "Don't worry I'm not sick". She lit into me and said "It's people like you who are the problem and scaring everyone." She then turned to the people in the room and said "Don't worry she didn't need to scare you, this is all blown out of proportion, you will all be fine" To a group of people recently out of surgery and she was the ONLY one under 65 in the room.

Remember Chicken Pox analogy as it is great. When parents were having Pox parties they didn't know that later in their lives their children might get a case of one of the most painful diseases around, shingles. The ONLY way to get shingles is to have had Chicken Pox as a child. This virus stays in the spinal column for LIFE and can creep out and cause shingles later in life. Herpes is a virus that also never dies in the body and resurfaces later and causes painful sore outbreaks.

With this virus we don't know what may happen down the road to those who got it. Maybe nothing. Maybe it will hide in the spinal column like other viruses and resurface later to cause something similar or entirely different, we just don't know. With what I an positive the "more serious virus" is, this may be the deep concern, especially for all the young who get few or no symptoms now.

TPTB already have depopulation firmly in hand. The entire first world and much of the second world is already into depopulation with below replacement rate births. If the current trend continues the whole world will enter depopulation as early as 30 years from now, and it will happen quickly. The biggest problem for TPTB is the elderly who were promised social care and are such a large percentage of the population that the smaller younger group literally can not support what the elderly were promised. Interestingly this virus has the potential to solve that issue, especially if it has a sort of "time bomb" built into it. But that's another issue we know not of yet for this clearly bio-engineered disease which emerged in a town with a bioweapons facility and other bio facilities.

I am more worried about the implications down the road of this bio-engineered virus especially because of the part of the virus that you will NEVER see on the news except as "a more serious virus".

BTW, my daughter just NOW messaged me. My grandson is sick and being rushed to urgent care with a very sore throat and flu like symptoms. Curse that woman who told a room full of people fresh out of surgery not to worry and to go about their daily lives. Prayers appreciated.

Blaming Trump not appreciated, any more than we blame Obama/Biden for the thousands killed by the swine flu when they were in office.

And ... we've got a brand new shiny Space Force here in "Murica".

I'm locked and loaded. Maybe tomorrow I'll be locked and cocked.

Remember: There's a declared State of Emergency here. Next step: suspend the Constitution and declare Martial Law. Next step: dismiss Congress and the Federal Courts. You think this can't be done? Have you read Machiavelli? I think the only thing holding the President back is the sheer number of guns in the possession of American hands.

But ... he did suspend all travel from Europe (unprecedented!!). And ... China did quarantine at least a hundred million citizens (not anything like I've seen in my lifetime).

I don't think it's about this virus though. The almighty fiat currencies of the world were all on the brink of failure. That reset button was looking mighty red and blinking furiously.

God ... I loves me some Doom Porn!!

originally posted by: The2Billies
I am more worried about the implications down the road of this bio-engineered virus especially because of the part of the virus that you will NEVER see on the news except as "a more serious virus".

Yeah ... everyone forgets that HIV was blended into this one. I heard it early and haven't forgotten either.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: intergalactic fire

Given the state of the "free world" at the moment , surveillance , data retention and laws to criminalise the otherwise law abiding , I wouldn't rule anything out in terms of them using situations to their advantage.

For years we have warned and been warned of possible depopulation plans , war was always the favourite proposed method but viral pandemic is a cleaner safer method , if you can tie population control in with that then all the better in the eyes of the controllers I guess.

And now it is in play right before your very eyes using a perfectly designed best results wish list tool that is just the job for depopulation and stemming population growth some. If you list the tool set of this virus BW its obvious it was designed for a) effect & b) to appear natural c) and so they say derived from a market.

But you know the big giveaways are(pointers to the truth) the fact it was launched in Wufan were there is the L4 BW lab, there were BW war games in Wufan in Oct 19 and because China has deliberately given low numbers to the world so borders were not shut quickly which if they had done in Jan, borders would have been shut down and we wouldn't have the pandemic we have which was the intention in the first place.

I will take freedom for all I am worth Alex!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: intergalactic fire

The more this plays out the more I believe this hasn't got much to do with "controlling and containing the virus" it's more about controlling the population.

I don't believe the Coronapocalypse is a planned event. But I have no doubt those so inclined (the usual suspects) aren't letting the crisis go to waste.

I also expect that these same folks are watching closely to see if the people come together in this time of crisis, cooperating and working with each other and taking care of each other... or if we will turn on each other, dog eat dog, and further divide ourselves.

The former is a position of strength that will make them think again. The latter is a position of weakness that will make us all ripe for the killing.

Each and every one of has needs to decide on which side we will stand. Will we stand on our feet? Or grovel on our knees?

Couple prepper forums I read, some of us have been talking about how Cumo is effectively a dictator now, that mayor in Illinois these are the test rounds during this virus.

more are going to try and take extra power while folks are worried about the virus, and once the govt takes power they dont give it back no matter how angry the people are.

Vigilance is vital at this time, though I fear the people concerned are to few just like after 9/11 with the patriot act.