Science indicates evolution of species.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Not my thread, you penned it, you research it

Always better to make sure you know what you are talking about here before making up what ever story you think will support your narrative

Some smart people around here, both sides

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
Science indicates an evolution of species, and not just among species but literally beings transforming into other beings and all descending from a common ancestor.

People are convinced, science is right and there is proof. Science manages to reveal things that happened millions of years ago!

The finger points at religion, your books are wrong! It's all a lie and your God certainly must not exist also. Believers dive into their books, science must be wrong but the evidence is overwhelming and society evolves into another era when it comes to religion.

Science became the salvation of mankind. One day we will find a way to adjust people and make them live longer.

Now this God that kept us in the dark ages is gone we will evolve eradicating any leftover beliefs.

I feel like you are having a laugh? Making jokes about what the great Science™ tells the public to think?

a reply to: TzarChasm

It's not a matter to laugh with really, this is dead serious.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

I feel like you are having a laugh? Making jokes about what the great Science™ tells the public to think?

Tzar you seem like a cool guy you should leave that Science™ cult to make way for the Archetype to be conceived in your psychology. Don't cling to the sinking ship.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Science is the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Science also evolves as the data and information we collect become more refined.

Theories change and offer up even more new and interesting queries and conundrums.

Its the best tool we have in our box that may allow us to attempt to understand a fraction regarding reality, our universe, and place within such.

Some questions though even science cannot address in any kind of meaningful manner down to the fact that it cannot measure or observe the relevant components, and that's where philosophy comes into play imho.

originally posted by: Freeborn

There is verifiable scientific evidence that shows evolution has and is occurring on a constant ongoing basis.

Refer to Micpsi's first post. the distinction needs to be made between evolution and adaptation. Adaptation allows organisms and populations to adapt to various environmental factors. Take for example the Caucasian adaptation. Historical record shows Noah's son Japheth migrated northward through the Caucus mountains, farther away from the equator. In doing so less melanin pigment was required due to less annual sunlight. This isn't evolution though, these genes were always existent in the human genome, waiting to be unveiled given the correct environmental factors.



This migration of humans were certainly not evolving, they were adapting. If they were to move back towards the equator they would slowly regain a stronger pigmentation.

Even antibiotic resistance undergoes a reversible mechanism. The reversibility is key in indicating it is not evolution, but instead it is adaptation arising from a pre-set arsenal residing within the genome. This is known as epigenetics, and they are even inheritable. At this point, given the data, even Lamarck is closer to reality than Darwin. Yet the ability to evolve has never been demonstrated, despite countless attempts in labs throughout the world to artificially induce it.

The theory served its purpose by bringing people out of blind religious belief, but now evolutionary theory must be discarded due to the overwhelming empirical evidence that it is not at all based in reality. If it weren't forced upon young minds in school from a young age, it would be long gone in the global belief system.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Science is only interested in it's closed minded denial of
anything outside its protocols. Even when it's findings point
to intelligent design like the information that literally
constitutes a language existing in the genome it remains in
denial.
scientists only break protocol to remain in denial instead of
keeping an open mind. This far and away creates suspicions in
the theological populace and anyone who is convinced of
mans spiritual existence. Science even denies the importance
of the matter all together. When true open minded science
would break protocol and search for the Creator instead of
little green men.
Science can convince the weak minded that evolution is true.
And that's about it.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TzarChasm

I feel like you are having a laugh? Making jokes about what the great Science™ tells the public to think?

Tzar you seem like a cool guy you should leave that Science™ cult to make way for the Archetype to be conceived in your psychology. Don't cling to the sinking ship.

Are you suggesting that I should trade hats and call it salvation?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

Science is only interested in it's closed minded denial of
anything outside its protocols. Even when it's findings point
to intelligent design like the information that literally
constitutes a language existing in the genome it remains in
denial.
scientists only break protocol to remain in denial instead of
keeping an open mind. This far and away creates suspicions in
the theological populace and anyone who is convinced of
mans spiritual existence. Science even denies the importance
of the matter all together. When true open minded science
would break protocol and search for the Creator instead of
little green men.
Science can convince the weak minded that evolution is true.
And that's about it.

Then show us the signature and address of the author in our DNA. Surely our designer left a business card just in case.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Then show us the signature and address of the author in our DNA. Surely our designer left a business card just in case.

Honestly Chaz do you really think it would make a difference?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

Then show us the signature and address of the author in our DNA. Surely our designer left a business card just in case.

Honestly Chaz do you really think it would make a difference?

Depending on how good your information is

a reply to: TzarChasm

Depending on how good your information is

Forgive me but I have my doubts seeing the bar set
so high in the first place. Not to mention the blatant prejudice
academia holds for any information that impacts its textbook
paradigm in a negative way. True science wouldn't be hostile to any
notion. It would be curious and investigative and searching. Instead
ignoring the importance of the entire matter for what it truly is.

All the great minds and technology seem uninterested in finding the
answer to the number one question on the mind of every man who
ever lived. Save those who had all doubt removed. Yet science in
cowardly fashion tells the theologian to find extraordinary proof
for extraordinary claims. what a load of crap, why do we even have
science that's like that? Not even curious to answer the most
important question of our existence. Why?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

Depending on how good your information is

Forgive me but I have my doubts seeing the bar set
so high in the first place. Not to mention the blatant prejudice
academia holds for any information that impacts its textbook
paradigm in a negative way. True science wouldn't be hostile to any
notion. It would be curious and investigative and searching. Instead
ignoring the importance of the entire matter for what it truly is.

All the great minds and technology seem uninterested in finding the
answer to the number one question on the mind of every man who
ever lived. Save those who had all doubt removed. Yet science in
cowardly fashion tells the theologian to find extraordinary proof
for extraordinary claims. what a load of crap, why do we even have
science that's like that? Not even curious to answer the most
important question of our existence. Why?

So in a word, you can decipher this hidden language in our genome and describe how sophisticated the syntax is, but you can't show us a name or address? You can't find the author page?

For example:

"YHWH was here! This is written in plain English because I know that's what you speak in the year 2020 when this is decrypted by *insert astonished scientist here* Congrats buddy, you just got a new car for being the first person to read this. If you like my stuff, find my Insta at username guess_whos_back because I designed the app through a proxy agent for exactly this purpose, and pre set my personal account to go live exactly 24 hours before *insert astonished scientist again* sent a very excited email to his boss about this discovery. Further details at my Insta! See you there

PS Stop buying more toilet paper than you actually need"

Just a rough sketch of what I would expect a god to write in our blood diaries.

a reply to: TzarChasm

So in a word, you can decipher this hidden language in our genome and describe how sophisticated the syntax is, but you can't show us a name or address? You can't find the author page?

Where did you get the idea that I can decipher anything more than
a stop sign Chaz? Never mentioned the sophistication of any syntax
either. And no I can't find the author page. Because science isn't my
field leading us back to the point I just made. If a signature and address
book are worthy of investigative research in the genome? Why are
you asking me to find it? I thought that's what science was for?

Why do you seem to have a dog in the fight, so to speak? I find that
puzzling if you're truly willing to go where the evidence takes you?
I think you know I respect you. So if my points are just bothersome
or an annoying to you just say that. I'm a full grown man and can
guarantee you it won't cause me to throw myself on the bad and
muffle my sniveling tears in the pillow.

Just a rough sketch of what I would expect a god to write in our blood diaries.

Which is why you took the conversation far beyond my thoughts and expectations.

a reply to: carsforkids

You don't think a creator's address or signature might come in handy?

Actual tangible proof that humanity was created, as opposed to evolution being responsible.

That would pretty much be the golden ticket where reinforcement of our religious belief in God or Gods are concerned.

Something more than just blind faith and belief to support the notion might make all the difference in the universe.

For a start, it may go quite the ways as to reconciling physics and metaphysics.

The thing people don't understand is that Darwin evolution is like a Foreword to a now massive book of what we know today compared to what he observed and wrote about. Darwin was wrong on a number of things, but his insight was incredible and got the ball rolling.

Here are a few good books that really expands on the whole evolution thing. I highly recommend anyone on both sides of the discussion to read these books to get an understanding just how far we have come from Darwin.

What Darwin Got Wrong
Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow

a reply to: andy06shake

That would pretty much be the golden ticket where reinforcement of our religious belief in God or Gods are concerned.

Why? Faith requires no proof.

I hear tell.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
The thing people don't understand is that Darwin evolution is like a Foreword to a now massive book of what we know today compared to what he observed and wrote about. Darwin was wrong on a number of things, but his insight was incredible and got the ball rolling.

Here are a few good books that really expands on the whole evolution thing. I highly recommend anyone on both sides of the discussion to read these books to get an understanding just how far we have come from Darwin.

What Darwin Got Wrong
Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow

Bumping for relevance

originally posted by: Phage
Why? Faith requires no proof.

I hear tell.

I have an old saying... The more proof you desire the less faith you have....

a reply to: andy06shake

You don't think a creator's address or signature might come in handy?

To who? I certainly don't need it. And lets say for a second it is in
the genome and it's even already been found. The finding is now
at the mercy of countless variables that could easily leave it in
the darkness.

Scripture even suggests that at one time God was self evident on the
Earth. So easy to blame God for not leaving us evidence of his existence.
Instead of doing some further thinking to realize we may well have
destroyed such evidence ourselves long ago. And even his absence is
per our request. All this is a time granted by God to do things our way
without his interference. But even as we speak that time seems to be
approaching it's final hour.