What if? My coronavirus conspiracy theory

I don't usually post flat-out conspiracy theories, but I was joking around about this last night and the more I thought about it, you know what, I've heard crazier. Hear me out:

What if the Democrats' endgame on this coronavirus hoax is gun control?

So the coronavirus is real. I'm not disputing that, and I don't think it was engineered by China or the US or something. When I call it a hoax, I'm calling it a hoax in the same sense that President Trump did. The overreaction to the virus is indeed fake, and unwarranted, at least in the U.S. Last I checked we've got a little over 2,300 confirmed cases and about 50 deaths. That's slightly over 2% mortality rate.

(I saw a number of posters freaking out about the 5-6% mortality rate early on and tried to explain to them that's statistically meaningless because we didn't have enough of a sample size for any rate calculations to be meaningful, but you can't reason with people who are addicted to thinking the sky is falling.)

Those 50 deaths are, of course, tragic, and we all feel for their families. More people will be confirmed infected, and more will die, but the mortality rate will continue to fall. In context, this virus is a minor problem. There are things that kill far more people in this country that we don't have this kind of hysteria about and no one bats an eye at.

So what is motivating this manufactured hysteria? Well, for one, the media certainly. The same old "why:" ratings, money.

What about politicians though? Money, of course. Democrats are already raising money off the panic. I've thought since the beginning of this that the Democrats were taking advantage of the virus to try to hurt President Trump, but keep reading, that's not a new theory. Certainly they're hoping for an economic disaster that hurts Trump's chances at re-election. I have no doubt of that.

When Trump declared a national emergency, that completely changed my thinking. It wasn't that long ago, remember, that several Dem candidates for President were talking about declaring a national emergency about "gun violence." I know some here like to think Trump is uber-intelligent and always one step ahead of the Democrats, 4D chess and all that. But did he just set the stage for them? Did they collude with the media to create a panic around this virus, tank the market, and force Trump to take drastic steps to solve a marginal problem--with the ultimate goal of baiting him into declaring a national emergency?

If he declared a national emergency on something that, at the time, had killed less than 50 people, is that not a precedent--Democrats would argue--for declaring a national emergency for a problem that kills far more people, like guns? Of course, you'd have to completely ignore the benefits of guns, which far outweigh the negatives, but we know the anti-gun crowd has no problem doing that.

Emergencies have been used in the past to justify gun confiscation, for example after Hurricane Katrina. Law has since been clarified to guarantee Americans their right to maintain their arms during emergencies except under very specific circumstances, such as if you board an evacuation bus to be taken to a FEMA camp, etc. But some have argued the President's emergency powers could still be used to use the power of the federal government to combat gun violence. In this article, they claim the Insurrection Act gives the President the power to use federal troops on U.S. soil to mitigate "domestic violence," in this case not meaning violence in the home but violence occurring on U.S. soil. They think the President could use this law to claim gun violence is domestic violence and use federal troops to stop it.

Now, I don't think that would fly legally or Constitutuionally, but since when do Democrats care about the law or the Constitution? Look at sanctuary cities. Look at the unconstitutional ACA mandate. Look at their continuing assault on the 2nd Amendment, 1st Amendment, 10th Amendment, 4th Amendment, on and on. I also don't think the military would cooperate with national gun confiscation. Next time we have a Democrat president, will they use this coronavirus situation as precedent to declare a national emergency on gun violence, and who knows what other legal tricks to push their anti-gun agenda? Depending on how far they try to take it, you could have your civil war 2.

Time will tell, I guess.

I'm far more worried about the end game being all the new laws and powers given to the ruling caste that too closely resemble the beginnings of socialism.

a reply to: face23785

Well, I thought there were games played and agendas pursued after 9-11. Americans got saddled with the Patriot Act, but no one in the media paused to point out that none of the attackers were American citizens ... so why apply restrictive measures to American citizens?

Cheers

We’ve now come full circle people. The Democrats have created a pandemic hoax in order to take your guns.

If this is where we’re at as a thinking society I’m not surprised people have to be reminded how to wash their hands. If Astro and the black triangle people are still here on ATS please give me a ride off of this planet.

My Xmas wish last year was guns. My family complied and a I got two. In fact, I just ordered a conceal carry holster yesterday for my 9. Why, because I’m worried about crazies buying into this overhyped fear propaganda. Never thought I’d conceal carry. It’s amazing how rapidly things can change.

a reply to: underwerks

I agree man. I want off this crazy train. Where’s AstrO when you need him?

I think the bigger prize conspiracy wise would be either that Covid-19 is a beta test on how the world reacts and then someone will release Covid-20 that is 70% lethal. The other biggie is they "test" everyone in the world and with those "tests" they make a huge DNA data base. Gates foundation is talking about producing home kits by the 10s of millions where you swab your nose and send off it off to a lab...Does that sound strikingly familiar to something like 23 & me? Gates is also big time eugenics.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
I’m worried about crazies buying into this overhyped fear propaganda.

Things have gone far beyond fear propaganda. The virus may be mild to the majority of the population, but the loss of income and freedoms because of it are anything but mild.

The squeeze is on, and soon we will be hearing cries from the working class of "Save me, Uncle Sam".

The destruction of the worlds' economy will forever change life as we knew it. All we're going to have left is memories to pass down to future generations of 'how it once was'.

originally posted by: underwerks
We’ve now come full circle people. The Democrats have created a pandemic hoax in order to take your guns.

Actually reading the OP would help prevent you from making embarrassing posts like this.

Nowhere did I say or even imply the Democrats created the pandemic. In fact, I explicitly said the disease was real. I'll go further and say the WHO classification as a pandemic had nothing to do with the Democrats either.

I'd expect no less from you though. At least you're consistent.

Read the OP next time, silly.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
My Xmas wish last year was guns. My family complied and a I got two. In fact, I just ordered a conceal carry holster yesterday for my 9. Why, because I’m worried about crazies buying into this overhyped fear propaganda. Never thought I’d conceal carry. It’s amazing how rapidly things can change.

Funny you should say this, I just had a conversation with my brother today about the same thing. He's kinda kicked around the idea of getting a gun for years, even though he's mostly pro-gun-control. This situation has made him realize how wise it would be to have a gun in the house, properly secured of course.

LA after Rodney King, New Orleans after Katrina, societal breakdowns do happen, it's not just some gun-nut fantasy. And when the looting and shooting starts, how are you gonna protect your family? "The government" can't step in to save everyone fast enough.

a reply to: face23785

Here is mine.

47 million elderly people live in the united states.
I'm guessing most of them vote in the republican party.

Corona virus is targeting the elderly.
A lot of republicans are saying this is not as big a deal as the msm/dems make it out to be.

Right now record numbers of republicans are voting in the primaries.
Those people ether think this virus is no big deal and continue to go vote in the remaining primaries while the dems are scared and stay home.

In 8 months when the general election happens republican turn out is low because so many of the old republicans are sick or dead.

This is assuming the virus really is dangerous. But what if it was designed to target old people for a reason other than population control? The numbers don't look high enough for this to really make a dent in our global population but if a few 1000 old republicans died from it. That would make a big difference in usa elections.

I don't believe any of this is true but we are on a ct site so.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I like that one.

I think the virus is man made.

I think the Chinese accidentally released it. Part of me thinks the release could have been intentional knowing that it could hurt the US economy and ultimately Trump. What is a few thousand dead to the Chinese communist?

Create the propaganda and let a complicit media run with it.

I still think we are going to look back on this in a year and say it as a complete over reaction. However, the damage to the economy will be done.

Why is this virus soley based around American politics, to Americans that is

Please remember it is planet Earth not planet USA

a reply to: face23785
Gun confiscation will occur if Biden is elected. He's already named Beto O'Rourke as his gun czar.

thefederalist.com...


And hired Beto's former campaign manager yesterday:

www.breitbart.com...

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I think the bigger prize conspiracy wise would be either that Covid-19 is a beta test on how the world reacts and then someone will release Covid-20 that is 70% lethal. The other biggie is they "test" everyone in the world and with those "tests" they make a huge DNA data base. Gates foundation is talking about producing home kits by the 10s of millions where you swab your nose and send off it off to a lab...Does that sound strikingly familiar to something like 23 & me? Gates is also big time eugenics.

The DNA spin is the one that I have been thinking. Ancestry and the other ones haven't been as successful as they thought.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
Why is this virus soley based around American politics, to Americans that is

Please remember it is planet Earth not planet USA

Why do people in other countries think that just because we are discussing how this impacts our country, that somehow translates into we think the rest of the planet isn't affected? This makes no sense.

In my experience, usually this kind of thinking reflects some underlying anti-Americanism which is solely based on your misconceptions of us. Why else would you make something like this up without any real basis?

originally posted by: face23785

What if the Democrats' endgame on this coronavirus hoax is gun control?

So did the democrats have something to do with the origin and thus the world must suffer for their endgame to be realised?

Your whole post which I have not quoted in its entirety alludes to democrats 8 times the president 9 times, its a virus at the end of the day not a registered voter, its got nothing to do with dimwit politicians IMO, maybe in yours it has, we can beg to differ I dont really care.

Perhaps I misinterpreted this line a little, or the numerous threads on ATS where they revolve around amercian politics, whats the name of the political forum again, not world political madness, nope its US Political madness A whole forum for your one nation which spawns daily bickering between left and right showing to us outsiders a complete lack of empathy and understanding for your fellow American. As an outsider I would just once like to see some unity between Americans rather than a constant divide over politics, race, police brutality, abortion, immagration etc. Now this virus is being used again for political agendas, the world does not revolve around the USA is all my point was, if that makes you think I dont like your nation that is not my intention.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: KKLOCO
I’m worried about crazies buying into this overhyped fear propaganda.

Things have gone far beyond fear propaganda. The virus may be mild to the majority of the population, but the loss of income and freedoms because of it are anything but mild.

The squeeze is on, and soon we will be hearing cries from the working class of "Save me, Uncle Sam".

The destruction of the worlds' economy will forever change life as we knew it. All we're going to have left is memories to pass down to future generations of 'how it once was'.

Unfortunately, I couldn’t agree more. However, I hope in every way possible — that we are wrong.

The politicians don’t give a sh!t about what they just did to the economy. They will just find a way to profit from our demise.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: face23785

What if the Democrats' endgame on this coronavirus hoax is gun control?

So did the democrats have something to do with the origin and thus the world must suffer for their endgame to be realised?

Would it trouble you to actually read the OP? This thread has nothing to do with claiming the Democrats actually started the virus. If you failed to comprehend that, I'd wager you fail to comprehend a lot of other things about American politics too.