Public events/ gatherings bad, open borders still ok?

I don't really understand the rationale of calls for cancelling public events, public gatherings etc, while at the same time completely ignoring the issue of open borders and how THAT can impact a pandemic. Would love to hear from open borders advocates about this. In short my question is this; whats the point of quarantine and limiting public functions if we are going to leave our borders wide open for anyone to walk across?

flagg because you have a fertile mind, thanks



from day one it seemed we were not being told the whole story, huh!

In absence of Federal action or leadership individual Counties and cities are taking direct action. Border security would require the Federal Government to declare an emergency and they seem reluctant to do that because it would cause a general panic and possibly tank the markets even more.

This is not a dig per say at the present administration as both sides of the coin have proven inept at leadership during crunch time like Katrina etc

a reply to: openminded2011

My favorite is being told to stay indoors so that you won't spread or contract the virus, but when asked about how the homeless will be dealt with the answer they give is for us not to touch our face. Now how is not touching ones face going to deal with testing the homeless and preventing corona spread within their tent-cities?

originally posted by: FredT
In absence of Federal action or leadership individual Counties and cities are taking direct action. Border security would require the Federal Government to declare an emergency and they seem reluctant to do that because it would cause a general panic and possibly tank the markets even more.

This is not a dig per say at the present administration as both sides of the coin have proven inept at leadership during crunch time like Katrina etc

Isn't there already an emergency declared at the border?

originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: openminded2011
My favorite is being told to stay indoors so that you won't spread or contract the virus, but when asked about how the homeless will be dealt with the answer they give is for us not to touch our face. Now how is not touching ones face going to deal with testing the homeless and preventing corona spread within their tent-cities?

When disease arrives at homeless encampments they will be told 'stay in your tent or in your cardboard box and don't share needles' (face touching a given no-no).

a reply to: openminded2011

Good thread. Open borders causes far more Americans to be killed than coronavirus ever will.

I've made this almost exact argument in a previous thread and was promptly told that the border isn't a concern, because if they do try to come here it will be only for medical care. That's obviously b.s.

The border IMHO is the biggest concern for us. People coming in un-checked, people whom do not want to cooperate with law enforcement or medical professionals, for risk of getting in trouble or getting someone else in trouble. I can't see how locking down the border wasn't the very first thought for the people running this country.

a reply to: openminded2011

Well clearly borders don't matter in this situation. The world is globalized, it's either you as a nation take the mega financial and economic hit by locking yourself in, or accept the consequences of what might happen, and this is one of those 'what might happen' situations.

a reply to: openminded2011
Keep the borders open and no tax cuts blame racist Trump./SARC

What’s the infection rate in Mexico again?

ETA: Just looked it up. 7. 7 cases in the whole country. If it’s the virus you’re worried about it’s more dangerous to come to America.

a reply to: underwerks

You can't say that right now. It's cold season in the northern hemisphere, and it slowly migrates south as it gets closer to 'winter' for them. I have a feeling this virus will end around mid April and migrate to the southern parts of the world around that time.

originally posted by: underwerks
What’s the infection rate in Mexico again?

ETA: Just looked it up. 7. 7 cases in the whole country. If it’s the virus you’re worried about it’s more dangerous to come to America.

Does Mexico have 320 million people?

a reply to: strongfp

If we’re using the infection rate of Italy and other countries as a guide then America hasn’t even begun to experience the height of this infection. Italy just locked down all public gatherings today and they aren’t expected to reach their peak until April.

If I were Mexican I’d be worried about Americans bringing it south of the border.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: openminded2011
Well clearly borders don't matter in this situation. The world is globalized, it's either you as a nation take the mega financial and economic hit by locking yourself in, or accept the consequences of what might happen, and this is one of those 'what might happen' situations.

Just another example of why 'globalism' is a seriously flawed concept.

a reply to: Lumenari

Mexico is a literal third world nation compared to the US.

I think it's quite alarming that places like Mexico, India, China have grappled this Coronavirus quite well, while it seems to be spreading rather quickly in the most powerful nation on the planet... But as I stated in a post above, the true numbers might be coming soon, April will tell to be honest.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

It really isn't a 'flawed concept', without globalism humanity would still be in the stone age.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Lumenari

Mexico is a literal third world nation compared to the US.
I think it's quite alarming that places like Mexico, India, China have grappled this Coronavirus quite well, while it seems to be spreading rather quickly in the most powerful nation on the planet... But as I stated in a post above, the true numbers might be coming soon, April will tell to be honest.

You do not know how Mexico or China have dealt with this. China hasn't given up the genome of the virus yet; or told anyone how the original virus mutated and was transferred (bite?) from animal to human. Mexico is a marshal law constabulary run by drug lords (honest correct information forthcoming soon).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I'm only going off the information I can find, and so far it's looking like China has grappled the situation, it saw a peak and is on a decline. If China was ground zero, it makes sense, Mexico on the other hand, so far numbers are quite low, but given the geographical location it also makes sense why they are low, for now.

Facts and speculative predictions can paint a larger picture, especially when you have past trends of how virus' spread.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: openminded2011

Well clearly borders don't matter in this situation. The world is globalized, it's either you as a nation take the mega financial and economic hit by locking yourself in, or accept the consequences of what might happen, and this is one of those 'what might happen' situations.

Look at the people movement of Europe during WW2. I know were not Europe we only have two borders, while were watching the Southern one and the northern one is wide open to European's fleeing into Canada and then south.