The Reason Why Honey is the Best Medicine on Earth

originally posted by: FredT
We use it in our Children's Hospital for wound care. Its called Medi Honey and it works pretty well IMHO

Every hospital carries Medi Honey but here's the problem - we aren't specifically engineering the honey to treat specific ailments.

The stuff floating around right now is pretty generic in composition, we do not know what's in it.

If we purposely engineered and labeled these products than we could develop far more powerful variants.

So "pretty good" will become "unbelievable" with a little science and common sense.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I'm allergic to honey. I've celiac disease ( properly diagnosed) and multiple food allergies. Honey brings me out in hives. Which is kinda linguistically amusing but no fun.

I really miss honey!

I figure I'm reacting to the stuff the bees fed on. Ive wondered if I could eat honey from bees who have fed on a olants pollen that I'm not allergic to.

originally posted by: GypsyRoseLeah
a reply to: muzzleflash

I'm allergic to honey. I've celiac disease ( properly diagnosed) and multiple food allergies. Honey brings me out in hives. Which is kinda linguistically amusing but no fun.

I really miss honey!

I figure I'm reacting to the stuff the bees fed on. Ive wondered if I could eat honey from bees who have fed on a olants pollen that I'm not allergic to.

I did some research and yes you can get honey that has no gluten (it will be labelled gluten free).

If you're going to consume honey with pollens you're allergic to, you must start very small, less than a drop, and slowly work up your tolerance. This should eventually beat the allergies.

You can find batches that don't have those pollens in them as well, and that might be a good idea if you want to avoid dealing with reactions altogether.

But keep in mind that theoretically the best way to heal your allergies is small controlled exposures allowing your body to build tolerance. Your family doctor can help you figure out how best to organize a regimen and diet.

You want to beat this, not run from it. There are safe ways to achieve this.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I react to honey labelled gluten free, with dermatitis herpeformis, the gluten rash. It's not gluten free enough for me.

The reaction I get from honey is too extreme to mess with, sadly. I totally agree that it's good medicine.

My allergies include bad ones like tree nuts. Each attempt at building exposure has ended progressively dangerously. It's, not fixable, but thank you for replying.

originally posted by: GypsyRoseLeah
a reply to: muzzleflash

I react to honey labelled gluten free, with dermatitis herpeformis, the gluten rash. It's not gluten free enough for me.

The reaction I get from honey is too extreme to mess with, sadly. I totally agree that it's good medicine.

My allergies include bad ones like tree nuts. Each attempt at building exposure has ended progressively dangerously. It's, not fixable, but thank you for replying.

It has to be fixable. The human body is a machine so it must be fixable.

I am going to do some research and find out how to safely get your body to accept honey.

My first thought is that we need to find the right blend with the correct constituents.

The main problem here is that we have 1000 choices to pick from.

While I research the gluten aspects of this, would you mind telling me all of your known allergies? That info will help tremendously in us finding something you can tolerate.

I refuse to give up and you shouldn't give up either.

I want to know if my theories are true and you're the perfect case. I am confident we can heal your body and that honey is at the center of it.

There's something really simple here that we're missing. I'll report back my findings tonight but in the meanwhile help me pinpoint any allergies you have including nuts etc.

a reply to: muzzleflash

I hear you but no risk management department In any hospital is going to allow hive to wound as it were so In hospital its what we have

a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

First result said this:

Gluten consumption can be extremely dangerous and unpleasant for people who have a type of wheat intolerance known as celiac disease. At the current time, the only proven treatment is completely abstaining from gluten consumption. However, new research on bee products, especially propolis, are providing new hope. Consumption of bee products may inhibit celiac disease's inflammatory response, and prevent long term damage that is often caused by this condition.

So 1) there's no proven treatment for this yet.
And 2) the cure is probably bee products.

I will go find this current research and examine it to see what's going on here.

link to article

A little more info:

However, propolis, in preliminary studies, has shown promise in modulating inflammation that is associated with celiac disease. 

In one study performed on people in Algeria who suffered from celiac disease, individuals were given propolis in an ethanol extract.   For example, a propolis tincture. After taking propolis, the patients showed lower levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

Since inflammation is a factor in the long term damage caused by celiac, regular propolis consumption could help reduce the damage caused by gluten consumption. Research continues in this area; as we learn more, we'll be able to make better recommendations for health support from propolis. In the meantime, in the event that you consume gluten it might be a good idea to consume a propolis for several days after to help minimize the inflammatory response.

While research on bee products and celiac disease is still developing, there is a growing body of knowledge regarding the power of bee products to fight inflammation and promote gut healing.

In 2013, the National Institutes of Health reported on a study on the use of propolis in rats who had the colitis, an inflammatory condition of the gastrointestinal tract. Those with celiac disease or gluten sensitivity often have colitis or other inflammatory bowel conditions.

Rats in the study were fed a solution that included propolis. After seven to 14 days of treatment, the rats' colons were examined. Those who were given the propolis extract showed a reduced inflammatory response. This included lower levels of the abscesses and cysts that are associated with ulcerative colitis.

So bee products are likely the solution you need, but we just gotta find a way for you to ingest it.

Propolis is the resinous glue they use to seal open spaces in the hive, it does include botanical particles in it though so this must be taken into account.

Although you can get a jar for 10$ at the store I think we need to hand pick yours so we can avoid all sources of gluten or specific allergies.

Once we get you safely consuming this stuff than we can begin considering exposing you to allergens. We need to fix your immune system first though, in my estimation.

a reply to: muzzleflash

The idea I could have the celiac rash under control makes me very emotional.

No gluten.

No grains. No corn and no rice, all grain is off. No oats, I react to the avenin.

No soy.

No legumes.

No tree nuts or peanut. I react really horribly to almonds in particular.

I've tried multiple brands of honey that are certified down to 10ppm gluten. I reacted to all of them.

Bananas and avocados are both on the no list. Latex basically.

No strawberry. But can do blueberries and cranberry.

I can eat apple, pear, citrus. Pineapple if I cook it isn't too bad

Stoned fruit like peaches are ok.

Potatoes and Sweet potatoes are fine.

Small amounts of cooked onion are fine.

Goat milk in small amounts is ok. Hard cheese in small amounts. Larger quantities, say a yoghurt cup, makes me sick.

Eggs which are pasture fed are ok

Chicken makes me sick, but thank God in heaven above I can still eat beef and bison. I don't eat pork.

Fish is complicated iodine sets off the gluten rash.

I can eat gluten and allergy free chocolate, but only one brand seems to not set off a reaction.

The gluten rash is the itchiest, burniest, most torturous, awful thing. Unbearable. Allergy rashes of hives are worrying, along with swelling. Blisters in my mouth. Swollen tongue. I've a true wheat allergy on top of celiac.

I'm also allergic to the nasty sulphur drug they use to treat the rash usually.

I'm happy to try propolis.

Is there any way the honey can be guaranteed to be from a single source. I know that the feed recipes given to bees are glutinous, I suspect this is the issue with most of the kinds I've tried.

I absolutely appreciate any ideas you have.

My daily diet is limited in the extreme. No processed foods, no grain, just soft boiled veg, ghee or grass fed butter and either egg or small amounts of meat. Then stewed apples and a little raw turbino sugar. Certified gluten free tea, and either lemon or goat milk. Two squares of 80 percent chocolate from Peru.

I'm hungry, skinny and miserable. I'm terrified that I'll end up reduced to a very limited diet. If I lost potatoes or sweet potato I'm in trouble.

Thank you for trying to help. I've not always been like this. I had a bad case of both type a and b flu simultaneously, the celiac and allergies came shortly after that. The doctors don't link the two, but...

a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

Thanks for adding more information. I read it sometime last night. Don't completely disappear because I am still mulling over everything and seeing what comes to me. Rather than forcing ideas I prefer to just "allow" it to surface on it's own. All my great ideas seem to come that way...

I'm going to continue researching some things and see what I find. Your case may seem challenging but I honestly believe there's a great solution.

I'll keep you updated as I find out more.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Well thank you for spending time to do that!

God bless

a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

Can't stop thinking about it.
Hmmmm

Omg, that sounds awful! Check out medical medium books on amazon. He is also on instagram. He has helped so many people like you.
a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

a reply to: Bmused7

It's not so bad now I've accepted it. For a while i'ld get horrible cravings to eat stuff I can't eat. Knowing the rash is the end result keeps me from doing so. The stomach issues are secondary to the rash. I've currently got it torso, both arms, feet.

The problem is losing more foods! I had no allergies, I could eat anything, and thankfully a few extra pounds! The rash now springs up out of seemingly nowhere. Cross contamination, someone behind me at a grocery store with a bag of flour. Me being an idiot and trying teff was particularly bad.

I considered putting honey on the rash itself, but, that's just going to be very messy. I thought I'd try it on a foot and compare to the non honey side.

I'm not complaining. I'm a Christian, I believe God is good. I'm grateful I can still eat. But I am in pain and hungry.

Please check out the books by the Medical Medium on amazon. He presents some unusual information relating to your symptoms.....he is guided by spirit and may resonate with you. a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

a reply to: Bmused7

Thank you, I'll check him out.

a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

Interesting experiments you've thought of trying. Try a tiny amount, it's ok it's sticky. Also be prepared in case it reacts.

Finding a honey that doesn't contain your allergens is going to be challenging. It may require healing the immune system through alternative routes first, I don't know.

There's a million things to consider so it's probably best to just read and think and grow right now.

We know there's a solution it's just a matter of time. I know readers here will help in the efforts.

I don't know why the world's leading experts aren't studying your body trying to fix this. Finding out how to fix you will revolutionize medicine... It's Nobel prize worthy probably.

a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

Can we start with some basics? No one knows who you are so please indulge me.

Be brutally honest with yourself here, not with me per se. I need to know the whole story.

Do you exercise? How much? What types?

How is your psychological and emotional state? Do you get angry, blaming or negative much? Argument? Do you have anxiety, fear, panic, sadness? Overall stress levels in the last 5 years?

How much do you sleep?

If there are any major disruptions in your psyche than it will make progress in healing more difficult.

There is a very real scientific basis behind the placebo effect, where your mind (will or intention) actually manifests as a physical disorder.

Psychosomatic. I'm not saying this is the cause, but statistically it's 30% of the equation. The rest is an electrochemical formula.

Our brain is a chemical electric machine. The brainwaves that equate to your conscious experience and deeper subconscious are in fact guiding and controlling your whole body down to the cellular level.

It's a symphony and your cells and organs are the orchestra. So as the conductor you must find harmony and allow the music to flow.

Any negative energy or idea, no matter how well justified, could cause psychosomatic stress symptoms leading to biological failure.

This has been proven in tons of placebo effect experiments.

What is going on inside of your mind is much more closely related to your immune system than you'd expect.

I believe that you most definitely can be healed of this affliction but it is going to take a lot of work.

Addressing every approach in a holistic way is the best way forward. Everything is important and connected. There's always explanations and solutions.

So what's been going on in your psyche since this all began? Notice any connections with higher stress levels?

a reply to: muzzleflash

Nope. No more stress than a lot of people. I've no debt, not rich but not poor. Semi retired. Middle aged. Boring. I'm quite happy with life. I've a lovely husband, young adult kids and enjoy life.

a reply to: GypsyRoseLeah

Have you ruled out MCAS, mast cell activation syndrome ? And there is also mastocytosis which is also mast call problem and can effect skin...

Mast Cell Activation Syndrome and Histamine: When Your Immune System Runs Rampant

This site says local raw honey is natural antihistamine:


9 Proven Treatments for Mast Cell Activation Syndrome – Plus, a Surprising New Comer

HONEY INHIBITS MAST CELL DEGRANULATION: IMPLICATION FOR MANAGEMENT OF CYSTITIS

a reply to: Kenzo

Thanks, Kenzo. The doctor just want to blame it all on the celiac. Positive biopsy for dermatitis herpeteformis, and celiac, and they are happy to now ignore me. The other food allergies don't interest them.

That sounds possible it's a mast cell thing. I bet the tests and meds are expensive!