Flat Earther "Mad" Mike Hughes dies in crash of homemade rocket

originally posted by: neutronflux
I find it funny that you credit and limit your little g god’s ability to only making a fishbowl. While the God I have faith in is not boxed in by my belief, and is the creator of a vast universe. A creator of a living, changing, and expanding universe.

If the firmament is permanent. Why do novas come and go? Where do meteorites come from. How could man kind add any “trick” to the firmament if it is permanent and unchanging.

Existence is far more than the Earth itself, or any 'universe' you think exists 'out in space'.

The firmament DOES exist, as Von Braun himself discovered, when he launched his rockets up to the heavens. That's why he told us, from the grave, that it exists, and was created by God, as the Bible states, many times.

Do you really think Von Braun would refer to a Biblical passage which mentions the firmament, on his very own tombstone, if he didn't mean it? Why say the firmament exists, at death, if it wasn't true?

And why don't they ever tell us where to see a rocket from Earth, after seeing it at the launch site? Do you have any idea?

originally posted by: puzzled2
You could be so right about rockets and the lies we're are being told BUT only if you could find the Edge.

If they can't tell us where to see a rocket from Earth, after seeing it at the launch site, why would you accept it is true?

So they cannot prove their claim, in the first place!

Yet you still believe it, without any proof at all, so how is that any better?

a reply to: turbonium1

You

Existence is far more than the Earth itself, or any 'universe' you think exists 'out in space'.

Really? Your the one putting your god in a physical box.

My universe reflects the vastness of my God’s mind.

The firmament DOES exist, as Von Braun himself discovered,

Quote who here doesn’t believe in something beyond earth. Your explanation doesn’t explain the wonders that appear and change with time.

when he launched his rockets up to the heavens.

So? You yourself believe in something beyond the firmament. You specifically used heavens, not firmament. And you used the plural form of heaven. You betrayed yourself.

You

That's why he told us, from the grave, that it exists, and was created by God, as the Bible states, many times.

What does that have to do with you having no explanations for items like super novas and the international space station that have changed the appearance of the firmament.

Do you really think Von Braun would refer to a Biblical passage which mentions the firmament,

You yourself referred to something beyond the firmament as the “heavens”. Did, or did not the rockets go beyond the firmament into the “heavens”? Make up your mind

on his very own tombstone, if he didn't mean it? Why say the firmament exists, at death, if it wasn't true?

Quote Braun showing he thought the “firmament” was a flat single dimension limit around the earth, and not a vast far reaching universe containing other solar systems and galaxies.

And why don't they ever tell us where to see a rocket from Earth, after seeing it at the launch site? Do you have any idea?

Because rockets deploy items like the pieces that make up the internal space station. Then the emptied hulks return to earth. Or two small to be seen from earth. But space junk is tracked.

Space Junk: Tracking & Removing Orbital Debris

www.space.com...

Or you mean items like this?

www.popsci.com...

If Earth's orbit is so crowded, why don't we see space junk in photos of the Earth?
It’s a matter of perspective

Just go outside on a clear night with little moonlight, find a spot with minimal light pollution and look up at the stars. Once your eyes adjust, you should be able to see small pinpricks of light moving steadily across the sky, smaller and steadier than an airplane. Those are some of the hundreds of satellites that are large and low enough to be spotted from Earth. While the smaller objects that make up the majority of items floating around our planet are far too tiny to ever be seen with the naked eye, there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up.

You mean like items actually deployed by rocket into space

Atlantis' Acrobats: One backflip and a dock to ISS
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Endeavour's External Tank Falls Away
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STS-117 Nasa Space Shuttle SRB Separation
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NASA Video: Launch and Return of the Space Shuttle Atlantis
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SpaceX launches Falcon 9 rocket with cargo — and slime — bound for space station
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SpaceX launches a mission to the International Space Station
qz.com...

Falcon 9 rocket launch provides spectacular view in Bakersfield
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VIDEO: Space X rocket launch seen in AZ night sky
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: puzzled2
You could be so right about rockets and the lies we're are being told BUT only if you could find the Edge.

If they can't tell us where to see a rocket from Earth, after seeing it at the launch site, why would you accept it is true?
So they cannot prove their claim, in the first place!

Yet you still believe it, without any proof at all, so how is that any better?

ROFLOL you're freaking hilarious. turbonium1 with no evidence wants to make me believe he's right the earth is flat but instead of showing the Edge of the freaking world exists - denies any alter evidence to his idea because of rockets.


Once again turbonium1 don't tell me because... Rockets ... MSM lies... it's cgi... crap

Provide the photo of a massive wall of ice and tell me where it is in relationship to San Francisco.

I do assume San Francisco exists in your flat world, correct?
perhaps you should take a nap and think about getting out of the basement.

originally posted by: neutronflux

Because rockets deploy items like the pieces that make up the internal space station. Then the emptied hulks return to earth. Or two small to be seen from earth. But space junk is tracked.

We can see rockets from the launch site, and about 2-3 minutes after they launch. The End.

What do pieces of the 'ISS' have to do with them not telling us where to see them from Earth, except at the launch site?

The rockets are still visible at that point, when the footage always stops, for some strange reason!


If they know where the rocket is, and 'track' it along the way, why don't they tell us where to see it from Earth, after the launch site?

When we last see it at the launch site, it is still flying at about the same altitude as before, which is about at an airplane altitude. Not even at cruising altitudes, to boot!

So the rockets are still visible from the ocean, and we could see them from a boat/ship in the ocean, flying above, as it crosses over the Atlantic, to Europe, or somewhere else.

If they 'track' it all all the way, why don't they ever tell us where to see it from Earth?


They hope nobody cares about it after seeing it launch, and fly out of sight, over the ocean, and it looks like all of you here simply don't think about it anymore. Or why they never tell us where to see it from Earth anymore. It's fine and dandy, we'll see it in 'orbit', later on!


Nobody cares about seeing a rocket after three minutes, or why they don't tell us where to see it after three minutes, or why we don't see any of their flight paths!


The illusion of a rocket flying into 'space', or 'orbit', is to launch it, have it fly out of sight, and never mention it again, or where it goes afterwards, and the ignorant masses will be completely oblivious to it all!

Sad, but true.

originally posted by: neutronflux
Quote Braun showing he thought the “firmament” was a flat single dimension limit around the earth, and not a vast far reaching universe containing other solar systems and galaxies.

He referred to the Biblical description of the firmament, which is above Earth, and beneath the firmament, are where the stars, Sun, and moon reside.

The Bible does not describe any vast universe, solar systems, or galaxies, whatsoever, when describing the firmament.

And the firmament described in the Bible holds the waters above Earth, as our blue sky is the blue of waters above us. When he launched up rockets, they hit a barrier, which is the firmament above Earth, and he knew the Bible was telling the truth, and told us from the grave, for all to understand, if they simply choose to see the truth, over their grotesque lies

The firmament lies above Earth, as described in the Bible, and referred to by Von Braun, holds the waters above Earth, as our blue sky is the blue of water, within the firmament above Earth.


He knew the firmament was real, and he wished to tell the world. He obviously knew how important it was for people to know the truth.

a reply to: turbonium1

You

We can see rockets from the launch site, and about 2-3 minutes after they launch. The End.

It’s call distance and trying to see a relatively small object 90 miles up and so many miles out. Jet liners look small and are hard to see at 30,000 miles up in the best of conditions. Or around 6 miles altitude. Now you expect to readily see something of comparable size 90 miles in altitude. At 15 times the distance.

Your arguments are based in fantasy and ridiculousness.

Noticed you ignored the footage of the on board cameras. Noticed you ignore the footage of the space shuttle from the international space station.

Notice you ignored...

Space Junk: Tracking & Removing Orbital Debris

www.space.com...

Or you mean items like this?

www.popsci.com...

If Earth's orbit is so crowded, why don't we see space junk in photos of the Earth?
It’s a matter of perspective

Just go outside on a clear night with little moonlight, find a spot with minimal light pollution and look up at the stars. Once your eyes adjust, you should be able to see small pinpricks of light moving steadily across the sky, smaller and steadier than an airplane. Those are some of the hundreds of satellites that are large and low enough to be spotted from Earth. While the smaller objects that make up the majority of items floating around our planet are far too tiny to ever be seen with the naked eye, there are enough large satellites orbiting the Earth that you should be able to spot at least a few. All you have to do is look up.

Sad you ignore there are things in the “firmament” that you cannot explain that can be seen with the naked eye. That are tracked by radar. That are tracked by their transmissions. That are seen from the internal space station.

a reply to: turbonium1

Or put it this way. Most jet liners look about 3/16 of an inch long at 30,000 feet up in the sky. Or 0.1875 inches long. The same object 15 times farther away at 90 miles will look like it was 0.0125 inches long. Or 1/80 on an inch long. Then add to it the layers of atmosphere.

a reply to: turbonium1

More evidence that very real stages of rockets deploy items into space

Spectacular SpaceX Rocket Launch Lights Up the Southern California Night Sky

www.space.com...

The Falcon 9 launched into orbit late Sunday (Oct. 7) from California's Vandenberg Air Force Base about 158 miles (254 kilometers) north of Los Angeles to deliver the Earth-observation radar satellite SAOCOM-1A into orbit for Argentina's national space agency. That mission was a success, and SpaceX also landed the first stage of the Falcon 9 at a new site (Landing Zone 4) near its Vandenberg launchpad in a historic first. But it was the spectacular views of the rocket streaking into the night sky, its two stages clearly visible after separation, that wowed spectators across the region.

a reply to: firerescue
HAHAHAHAHAHA what a moron, hahahaha

This thread is not about or in the correct forum to be about the flat earth theory.

The appropriate and active thread for that discussion is located in the Ludicrous Online Lies forum - here.

Given that this thread has run it's course, thread closed.