What the Pentagons missiles and bombs actually cost prepare to be disgusted..

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: face23785

No but you feel free to think that if it makes you feel better.

Forcing yourself to remain ignorant because reality isn't the way you want it to be. Interesting choice. It's a free country though, embarrass yourself all you want.

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That sounds like the world biggest stash of WOMDs & terror!

a reply to: 727Sky

Meh, that's chump change but I get your point. Off the books black budget and where the hell did all those missing Trillions go into?? Somewhere we cannot see like up in space, deep underground or both. Now that they made "Space" a war fighting domain (more insanity) the private defense contractors will be really cashing in on the deals.



$1.19 Billion from 2021 Defense budget just for Trident II D5 upgrades.

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

They went where they were supposed to go. The "missing" money was budget adjustments, which is how the Army ended up with a year where they showed more money than the previous five years in a single year.

You're not going to upgrade systems without spending money. The $1.19B is going to replace the guidance system and electronics, plus perform a Life Extension Program that will replace the motors, and other critical systems.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I get what you're saying but I doubt we'll ever know it went where they were supposed to go. That's a helluva an adjustment for trillions. I'll take your word for now since I know you surpass what little knowledge I have on the subject.

Err, maybe you were referring to defense budget link I posted.

Yea, I think we all agree any system upgrades & sustaining is going to cost some $$$. Part of what I was leaning toward is the massive amount of money being dumped into advanced defense R&D technology and the growing list of Weapons flavors. IDK, just seems to me between the defense contractors (large & small), lobbyists, and gov't approvals the spending has gone insane. I guess that's what it takes to be the world's (Bankers) military arm.
If I didn't know better I'd think they're preparing to battle aliens.

Im never an advocate for military action, and always believe diplomacy over violence. That said, you and every American do benefit from America’s military and yes there are those out there who would destroy you given the opportunity.

Hillary would have launched more missiles than you could imagine.

a reply to: Metallicus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Metallicus
Until we stop wasting money on these weapons of war and attacking people for reasons I can’t personally fathom I don’t see how anyone can justify cutting existing social programs. I am no socialist, but it seems to me we should be spending on American citizens long before we should be paying to bomb people half way across the world.

Well you don't make money through social programs for citizens you make money through war, and money is all that matters.

I agree we should cease our role as world cop, close our overseas bases and bring all our personnel and assets home. Then we can easily cut our defense budget in half, saving $350 billion a year instead of charging it to our national credit card and leaving the debt to Gen X, Millennials and Gen Z.

But there are consequences for the rest of the world if we do that. We won’t be able to deter China, Russia, North Korea, Iran or Islamic terrorists. We won’t be able to ensure freedom of the seas and sky. We won’t be able to come to the defense of the 69 nations we have defense treaties with.

Neighbors of China and Russia will either have to boost defense spending or submit to their coercion. More nations would probably acquire nuclear weapons, and there are plenty that have the capability to do so.

The U.S. military often responds to natural disasters, using its unmatched capability to operate in places with no working infrastructure. People forget or are unaware of the incredible assistance it provided after the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake/tsunami. We wouldn’t be able to that anymore if the budget is slashed.

Personally, I don’t care. The rest of the world despises us and takes us for granted until they need us. Many of our allies are wealthy but refuse to devote even 2 percent of their GDPs for defense, much less 3 percent like we do. Screw ‘em.

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: 727Sky

That money doesn't go to the government though, as most people think. It goes to the supplier that builds the equipment. The government isn't actually selling weapons.

True but if the Company or supplier pays taxes the government gets their share. If the company has employees with wages and social security the government gets their share. The government is going to get a piece of the action one way or the other.

The same applies to healthcare spending. Even the VA must buy all its supplies from private companies, which pay taxes on their revenues. Yes, I know companies — including defense contractors — have ways to avoid paying taxes. Employees working for manufacturers of healthcare products and companies providing healthcare under government contracts pay taxes. In other words, the government gets “its piece of the action” from both healthcare and defense contractors.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: gortex

Of the Mandatory category, $1.151T goes to Social Security. Medicare gets $722B, and Medicaid $448B. Under Discretionary, the military would get $705B. Of that, $636B goes to base maintenance, which includes rebuilding Tyndall AFB and completing repairs to Offutt AFB.

www.thebalance.com...

Are you sure about that base maintenance figure?

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Metallicus
Until we stop wasting money on these weapons of war and attacking people for reasons I can’t personally fathom I don’t see how anyone can justify cutting existing social programs. I am no socialist, but it seems to me we should be spending on American citizens long before we should be paying to bomb people half way across the world.

Well you don't make money through social programs for citizens you make money through war, and money is all that matters.

You can't make money in the healthcare sector? Education? Housing? Any of the other areas where we have social programs? There's no money to be made? All of that stuff is provided by charity organizations, not for profit?

You guys really don't think through these talking points. You just regurgitate whatever you're told to regurgitate, no questions asked. Sickening.

Ok genius , explain to me how using tax money for universal healthcare or other social programs is going to make money, I'm all ears....

Where do you think all the pharmaceuticals and other supplies come from? Have you ever seen an itemized bill for a hospital stay? There’s an enormous amount of profit made from “government” healthcare programs. I suspect profits from healthcare far exceed defense contractor profits.

a reply to: Scapegrace

Nope, you're right. Personnel, Ops & Maintenance, Construction, and Housing comes out to somewhere around $460B. My mistake.

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: FauxMulder

You do realize that the Navy must maintain a chain of custody for that screw from ore to casting/turning, install, inspection, replacement & disposal, right?

Navy screws don't cost $15 because they are screws. They cost $15 because they must meet certain standards and evidentiary data must be kept and maintained from dirt to disposal.

Bull.

It's the same hardware you can pick up at any Ace hardware.

A grade 8 bolt is a grade 8 bolt.

Wrong a grade 8 bolt for anything BUT a aircraft is a grade 8 bolt.

But a grade 8 bolts for an aircraft of any type military or civilian must meet FAA and or military requirements

a reply to: ANNED

Do you know how many insignificant little screws, quarter turn fasteners, #ty rivets are on an SH60 helicopter?

I do as I spent years of my life turning them, replacing them, and busting rust off of them.

There is nothing special about the vast majority of hardware all over that thing. Run of the mill cheap hardware that is WAY over paid for.

And if you want to talk about AN fastners you can get the exact ones used in the military or civilian fields online. It's no super secret formula bolts.

People would crap themselves if they saw most military aircraft up close. The old saying is if it ain't leaking there aint no fluid in it.

a reply to: FauxMulder

Meanwhile the military has spent 40 years debating a replacement for the service rifle and those cost 574 apiece.

You folks ever seen our hardware at work or why we use it? it saves lives, just like Hiroshima did and Nagasaki. Instead of sending a million bodies at the issue when one precision strike will do.

Can you strand and push your enemy in the worst case scenarios like you expect every soldier to or would you prefer to call in an airstrike to soften your target so you have a chance to survive?

Shall we fight with sword and shields instead? I am 6 feet tall you should pull out the sling shots i guess.

Watch the videos from my post at the top of this page. they show you why

If the people don't like their money being spent on useless things, then get their government to stop.