John Titor Re-examined

weren't those "Explorations in Science" radio shows, with Michio Kaku , hosted by Pacifica Radio , in Palm Beaches Florida ?

Professor Michio Kaku has made a lot noise in the past about the nuclear dangers of the Cassini mission and towards the involvement of General Electric for surpressing the Cassini story, being the owner of NBC television , westinghouse helped supressing the story by owning CBS.



[edit on 10-3-2005 by Countermeasures]

Originally posted by Countermeasures
weren't those "Explorations in Science" radio shows, with Michio Kaku , hosted by Pacifica Radio , in Palm Beaches Florida ?

I believe it's WBAI New York City 99.5 FM and then broadcast across the country.

Originally posted by slink
Only 80% of the United States lives in urban areas. That is approximately 230 million people. Also, Titor said that the capital would be moved to Omaha. That's a city of about 800,000 people so obviously not every big city is going to destroyed.

1. I never said every big city would be destroyed
2. "Only" 80%? 80% is a lot. Why did you say "Only"?
3. Omaha doesn't even have 400,000 people....

People are going to get on with their lives and humanity will continue. Titor claims that time machine was built in 2032, which is 17 years after the war ended. I'd think that by then people would have gotten on with their lives. It is not like humanity is going to lose all they have already learned.

He said the fighting really doesn't end until 2020.
Still, after a nuclear war and half the population wiped out. It's going to take a lot longer than 12 or so years to get to the point where we're creating time machines. Where do they find to research and test time machines? Wouldn't rebuilding be more important?

Originally posted by Burgess
Have you ever read the John Titor posts?

NOTE: Nuclear war != complete and utter devastation of everything.

If you'd read the posts you'd know that (supposedly) only a few major cities where targeted. So pretty much everything else would still be around and as the tech for the time machine was supposedly created before the nuclear war that would still be around also.

OK, So the governments of the world will have a nuclear war. Right.

Then the remaining people that have not been killed by the immediate blast(s), Worldwide nuclear fallout which on a worldwide scale would kill billions within weeks and before we have this nuclear war we would have built time machines so we can travel back or foward to when (without becoming contaminated by nuclear radiation)???

If we went forward we would have to 4,500,000+ years just to be clear of the nuclear radiation (by then there will be no earth it will be lifeless). If we went back we would probably end up back at square one.

SO where does this leave mankind???

[edit on 10/3/05 by Hunting Veritas]

If you had been around when he initially started posting, you would have noticed that the many websites about JT are editing or omitting the original dialog to keep the hoax alive. This is taken from one of his initial posts. The last 2 paragraphs make it obvious that JT is a fraud as 2004 has come and gone with no civil war and the LHC does not come online until 2007, NOT "within a year or so" as JT claimed in 2001:

communities.anomalies.net..." target="_blank" class="postlink">John Titor's original "greetings" post

posted June 21, 2001 19:47                
John Titor
Member

Registered: Jan 2001
Posts: 78

The 5100 had a very simple and unique feature that IBM did not account for and decided it was not in their best interest to advertise (which in hindsight was not very smart). This accidental feature was thus removed from any future desktop computers. In order to take advantage of this feature, the 5100 I have now required a couple of special “tweaks” that had to be done by one of the software engineers in 1975. Anyone who is familiar with this feature and was told to keep their mouth shut about it will be able to tell you what it is.

Yes we still have toilet tissue and some people still suffer from extreme anal fixation.

I have noticed and gotten used to the act of verbal conflict as a cathartic entertainment. I don’t totally understand it but I take no offense by it either. Perhaps we could just arm wrestle some day and still be able to have a pleasant conversation.

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.

The source of power for the C204 that allows it to distort and manipulate gravity comes from two microsingularities that were created, captured and cleaned at a much larger and “circular” facility. The dual event horizons of each one and their mass is manipulated by injecting electrons onto the surface of their respective ergospheres. The electricity comes from batteries. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.

[edit on 10-3-2005 by antipigopolist]

Originally posted by antipigopolist
If you had been around when he initially started posting, you would have noticed that the many websites about JT are editing or omitting the original dialog to keep the hoax alive. This is taken from one of his initial posts. The last 2 paragraphs make it obvious that JT is a fraud as 2004 has come and gone with no civil war

1) Can you show some examples of altered posts?
2) How do the last 2 paragraphs prove he's a fraud?

-Chris

1) Can you show some examples of altered posts?

Just do a web search and you will find some pages with sites trying to stretch out JT's 2004 civil war prediction into 2005. There are others but I've wasted enough time on the JT Hoax.

2) How do the last 2 paragraphs prove he's a fraud?

Did you read the last 2 paragraphs? There was not one act of civil war that happened in 2004, or in 2005 for that matter, in the US. And if you don't see the CERN argument then no amount of explaining will help you. But another clue to the hoax...how does laser light bend when passing near a "microsingularity" yet no other light distortion occurs on a photo? Physics is your friend.

Originally posted by antipigopolist

1) Can you show some examples of altered posts?

Just do a web search and you will find some pages with sites trying to stretch out JT's 2004 civil war prediction into 2005. There are others but I've wasted enough time on the JT Hoax.

2) How do the last 2 paragraphs prove he's a fraud?

Did you read the last 2 paragraphs? There was not one act of civil war that happened in 2004, or in 2005 for that matter, in the US. And if you don't see the CERN argument then no amount of explaining will help you. But another clue to the hoax...how does laser light bend when passing near a "microsingularity" yet no other light distortion occurs on a photo? Physics is your friend.

1) I have been to 75+ sites on John Titor, and most of them have the same first post.

I think the original post was:

Originally posted by John Titor

November 02, 2000

I was about to give up hope that anyone knew who Tipler or Kerr was on this world line. The basics of time travel began at CERN in about a year and end in 2034 with the building of the first "time machine". Too bad I can't post pictures or I'd show it to you.

Is there a site where I don't need to register personal information to post the pictures? I'll be happy to send them to you and answer any questions you may have.

I saw the post requesting the basic system that will allow time travel. Here they are:

1. Magnetic housing units for dual microsingularities.
2. Electron injection manifold to alter mass and gravity microsingularities.
3. Cooling and x-ray venting system
4. Gravity sensors (VGL system)
5. Main clocks (4 censium units)
6. Main computer units (3)

I am sure there are at least 2 or 3 posts before this, but I believe that this is the earliest post that wasn't lost. (Right?)

-Chris

EDIT:

Time Travel Portal

This link has some pretty good information on JT.



[edit on 3/11/2005 by Legend]

It is assumed that that was the first post by the "time traveler from 2036". But it was under the name Time_Travel_0 if I recall correctly. But regardless, there have not been any "waco-like" events to give the impression of civil uprising in 2004 or 2005 nor has the CERN discovery taken place and any gravity-distorting machine would bend ALL light in a photograph NOT just a pen laser light.

So you see...it is only those that wish to hold onto the myth that choose to ignore incorrect predictions and false evidence that flies in the face of physics. It would have been nice if TT0 was who he said he was but the evidence points in a different direction. But I would be happy to be proven wrong!

I just thought of something. Look at this.

Taken from Johntitor.com
I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038.

If he's from 2036, how did he know that UNIX has a problem in 2038? Maybe I mis-read it.

-Chris

Originally posted by Legend
I just thought of something. Look at this.

Taken from Johntitor.com
I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages in addition to APL and Basic. We need they system to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. UNIX has a problem in 2038.

If he's from 2036, how did he know that UNIX has a problem in 2038? Maybe I mis-read it.

-Chris

No...you didn't misread it. UNIX does have a problem. It's a date issue much like the millineum bug. UNIX based machines won't track beyond GMT 03:14:07, Tuesday, January 19, 2038. It's been a known issue for many years before Titor began spinning his tall tale.

As I said in another thread, Titor's story has an air of believability about it likely because he was a student of William Strauss and Neil Howe's generation-based theory of Anglo-American history, which they laid out in several books including "Generations" and "the Fourth Turning."

The idea is that there are repeating cycles of generational types whose birth and coming of age corresponds with repeating cycles of four eras (each about twenty years long) - or "turnings" in Anglo-American history. The last, or fourth "turning" in the cycle is the "crisis," during which the nation faces a period of profound peril, when the risk of total war or the arrival of authoritarianism or even the breakup of the nation into smaller states is higher than at other times (although none of these things are in any sense imminent). Fourth turnings tend to bring the re-centralization of power (ie a movement away from federalism), rollbacks of civil liberties, the return to more traditional gender roles and sexual mores, more censorship of popular culture, more collectivism, the return of the draft, etc. Previous fourth turnings in American history have included the American revolution, the civil war and reconstruction, and the depression/ww II.

There has been a great deal of discussion in the fourth turning community about the shape of this fourth turning, whether it will include solely an external conflict (ie the war on terror - its difficult not to conclude that 9/11 was the catalyst for this fourth turning) or will also include some kind of internal conflict as well. I bring this up because in late 2000 - particularly after the election (when Titor appeared) - but before 9/11 (when there was all that talk about the red/blue divide in the country) there was a great deal more serious debate among believers in the theory about the possibility of a second civil war in this fourth turning than after 9/11. I think we could still see some kind of breakdown in the country, and civil unrest, but a civil war strikes me as hardly a likely prospect.

Just in case it isn't clear, Strauss and Howe wrote these books in the 1990s - years before 9/11 - so their predictions are certainly very prescient, but I'm more than a little inclined to suspect that "John Titor" simply took the broad outlines of their theory and filled in his own post-apocalyptic narrative based on the political conditions of late 2000. If Strauss and Howe are right, and to a significant extent I think they are, you can be certain that more calamity is on the way before this thing is over (the fourth turning will probably last into the 2020s), just not necessarily of the sort that Titor describes.

If you want to know more about the theory, here are two links:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.fourthturning.com...

Originally posted by Countermeasures
Has there been any investigation towards the IP adress used by the John Titor character ?

The Time travel board in which John Titor posted didnt track IPs until after they gained famed from the John Titor posting to prevent any frauds from claiming they are the username 'Time_Traveller0'.

Originally posted by antipigopolist

No...you didn't misread it. UNIX does have a problem. It's a date issue much like the millineum bug. UNIX based machines won't track beyond GMT 03:14:07, Tuesday, January 19, 2038. It's been a known issue for many years before Titor began spinning his tall tale.

Thank you. Sorry, I am a little uneducated about the UNIX problem.

I also noticed that in the book, there was no address, no company name, no lawyer name, no family name. All it said was, "Copyright John Titor Foundation." Does anyone care to join me in a little investigation about this law office?

-Chris

[edit on 3/12/2005 by Legend]

he was right on the ginger invention.

Originally posted by Schmidt1989
he was right on the ginger invention.

Well, considering this drawing of "Ginger" was available on the net in 2000 it's not to hard to reason what "IT" was. And authors of other articles written a few weeks prior to JT being asked what "IT" was, were pretty sure it was a some type of scooter by deductive reasoning when going over patents held by Kamen. It was a safe bet if one just did a web search for the most logical answer. He's a fraud by all accounts until one of his "predictions" comes true.

[edit on 12-3-2005 by antipigopolist]

oh i see... i hope hes true in a way just to disprove einstein some more.

Originally posted by Hunting Veritas


Is there such thing as just an EMP bomb... no nuke?



[edit on 10-3-2005 by Event Horizon]

Yes I think there is and we used one in Desert Freedom if I am not mistaken.

I will post a link when I find it.

Here is the link.

whatis.techtarget.com...

It damages electronic equipment but leaves people and buildings undamaged.

Perfect for Regime changes, damage enemies equipment, force them to surrender, then no buildings to reconstruct.

An e-bomb (electromagnetic bomb) is a weapon that uses an intense electromagnetic field to create a brief pulse of energy that affects electronic circuitry without harming humans or buildings. At low levels, the pulse temporarily disables electronics systems; mid-range levels corrupt computer data. Very high levels completely destroy electronic circuitry, thus disabling any type of machine that uses electricity, including computers, radios, and ignition systems in vehicles. Although not directly lethal, an e-bomb would devastate any target that relies upon electricity: a category encompassing any potential military target and most civilian areas of the world as well. According to a CBS News report, the United States deployed an experimental e-bomb on March 24, 2003 to knock out Iraqi satellite television and disrupt the broadcast of propaganda.

[edit on 13-3-2005 by bpletcj]

Someone stated that after a nuclear war people would have better things to do then sit around trying to make a time machine.

Actually if you saw your world in total shambles and were close to making a time machine wouldn't you complete it and go back in time and try to prevent it.

That seems logical to me. If WW III broke out know I would go back in time and do anything I could to prevent it if I had the means.