Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: AngelsDecay

We didn't have the mass transportation, or high population density back in 1918. I would think that alone could make this worse than then

originally posted by: GoldGlobal
a reply to: AngelsDecay

We didn't have the mass transportation, or high population density back in 1918. I would think that alone could make this worse than then

But we didn't have also the present science, knowledge, medical advancement and even tools to advise and spread the caution.

a reply to: AngelsDecay

I think that is man’s over confidence in his own ignorance. I totally respect the opinion, but we are also the species that exist in a world a universe for that matter we do not completely understand..

a reply to: AngelsDecay

True, but with all that, several months have gone by, and we still know VERY LITTLE about this virus. At best, I think 1 may cancel the other & in the end, we'll be about equally vulnerable as we were in 1918

originally posted by: GoldGlobal
a reply to: AngelsDecay

We didn't have the mass transportation, or high population density back in 1918. I would think that alone could make this worse than then

But we did. We were busy moving mass volumes of troops cross country via train and overseas on ships. You had large volumes of men packed into cars and berths like cattle.

Had the pandemic tried to happen during any other time in history, you would have been right, but the extraordinary efforts to train and ship troops to the front lines of WWI made large-scale mass human movements a reality.

a reply to: ketsuko

I just don't see how that compares to the number of planes, trains, subways, buses, taxies, etc, moving a much larger population today

and shipping vessels, cruise boats, etc

which doesn't even include the vast military's around the globe

a reply to: Bicent

Let’s just hope and pray, ya pray, is still a thing, a virus, like this does not hurt us enough to leave scars inside our body, to effect us when we get older and or kill us. Maybe this is a wake up call, to be a little more spiritual. I would rather think that way over trusting a government.

a reply to: GoldGlobal

They loaded up 3,000+ men onto a train headed for Georgia. One of them fell ill not long into the trip. By the time they got to their location, a previously healthy camp in Georgia, 2/3 of the men on that train had to be carried off. That volume instantly overwhelmed the camp hospital. Between the carrying of the sick men and the staff coming and going, the rest of the camp was infected and men there began to fall ill not more than a few days later. No one stopped the civilians who worked on base from coming and going and they took it to the city of Augusta where the outbreak there soon was underway.

This sort of pattern was repeated all over the country, and when ships were sent overseas to the front lines, it repeated there.

A group of apparently healthy officers left an infected camp for Philadelphia. Upon arrival, a few fell ill and were taken to the civilian hospital. All the staff there and everyone who went in and out continued on their regular activities.

A few days later, Philadelphia held a massive war bonds parade with over 500,000 attending. After that, the outbreak seeded by those officers into the civilian hospitals workers and others began in earnest aided by the massive parade crowd. Philadelphia suffered the worst of almost any US city.

You want to tell me that the conditions didn't exist back then because of the war for mass exposure and mass movement of people? It did the job. More than did the job.

a reply to: ketsuko

Truth hurts.. that was a unscathed illustration and also a sad, and scary one.

a reply to: ketsuko

Just passenger planes alone:

"Every day, the FAA's Air Traffic Organization (ATO) provides service to more than 44,000 flights and 2.7 million airline passengers across more than 29 million square miles of airspace. With an airspace system as vast and complex as ours, it is helpful to have an easy-to-reference source for relevant facts and information."

www.faa.gov...

a reply to: musicismagic
Music,

The Japan "not cruise ship" numbers at BNO seem to be 58 confirned, 9 serious, 4 recovered and 1 past away.
Do you have ANY information as to where the serious and deceased patients were born?
I am hearing whispers that the 20 serious cases in Shanghi are not born in Shanghi.

Does anyone know of any serious cases who were not Hubei natives?

originally posted by: GoldGlobal
a reply to: ketsuko

Just passenger planes alone:

"Every day, the FAA's Air Traffic Organization (ATO) provides service to more than 44,000 flights and 2.7 million airline passengers across more than 29 million square miles of airspace. With an airspace system as vast and complex as ours, it is helpful to have an easy-to-reference source for relevant facts and information."

Thing is that it hasn't spread out via air travel like we thought it would.

The big question is why? I think part of it is that it isn't an efficient airborne spreader. If it was, every one of those flights would have been a giant plague can. Contrast that with what we're seeing on the cruise ship where people are being confined in close and prolonged contact. It's spreading like wildfire there.

a reply to: ketsuko

So true... all that's part of what we don't yet know about this

Can anyone give a status on China right now?

Is Wuhan still a quarantine zone?

How much of the population Of China is confined to their homes ?

Are people going back to work in large numbers ?

Is life starting to get back to normal anywhere ?

To add to those questions..


Does the virus stay in you after you recover from it’s introduction?

originally posted by: musicismagic
Well its here and happening fast: Number of cases in japan is rapidly climbing. Now currently being reported of cases of those known with the virus's is exceeding over 325 cases. The real big problem is this: www.haneda-airport.jp...
People from all over the world come in and take this this line. Including me many times. This really does not look for the Japanese society as it may turn into an unexpected pandemic. Remember this is an island. Good thing is every passenger is being tested and those with positive fevers are not allowed to enter Japan territory and they are very strict at all entry points now.

I just checked the Johns Hopkins CSSE. It lists Japan having 43 cases. Where did you find that number?
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a reply to: ketsuko

Good post but I thought in the US it originated in Kansas at an Army camp and spread from there.? Maybe that claim is still just a theory. Oddly from what little I read is that China was one of the least affected regions and even more ironic there is speculation that flu originated from China. Not sure if any of that still has any merit. Haven't had a chance yet to watch that Spanish flu video you posted earlier.

a reply to: Violater1

355 according to: www3.nhk.or.jp...

Japan 408* 1 died, 9 serious, 4 recovered

*Japan: The total includes 4 asymptomatic cases, which are not included in the government’s official count.
*Japan: The total includes 355 people from the “Diamond Princess” cruise ship. They are not included in the government’s official count.

from BNO

originally posted by: Oleman
a reply to: musicismagic
Music,

The Japan "not cruise ship" numbers at BNO seem to be 58 confirned, 9 serious, 4 recovered and 1 past away.
Do you have ANY information as to where the serious and deceased patients were born?
I am hearing whispers that the 20 serious cases in Shanghi are not born in Shanghi.

Does anyone know of any serious cases who were not Hubei natives?

I'll get back on this in a bit. Nope, back already. Just checked 67 on the cruise ship are /have been infected. I understand just by one video that an American has been taken off the liner and has been quarantine (video proof) other then that I'm not sure about the nationalities that are sick and or in serious condition. Keep in mind as of yesterday 38 people of the 67 had no symptoms . Also as of yesterday 285 known case have been verified of passengers to have the virus. Here is what is a bit confusing now. (keep in mind I have not listen to the morning news, a family for that ) 400 Americans on board this morning were to be transferred by bus to (Haneda or Narita) airport. But it says 350 Americans are negative, the other 50 Americans , are they being evacuated also? Don't know. Its Sunday here and the weather is not so good. Govt. hospitals (which if remolded and or new or good), but what I 'm saying is: they usually are closed down for impatient service and ambulance, so emergencies that require walk-in or ambulance service is directed to none govt. (private) hospitals.
To the best of my knowledge the passenger list has not been publicly released on who is on board. Nationalities would be available at their Embassies or consulates here in Japan. Keep in mind still over 3000 people are on the ship.